Topic: Germans are looking to firewood for energy as natural gas prices soar - page 5. (Read 4254 times)

Old and rotten wood isnt good for burning and heating. Such logs are damaged, empty inside. They are good as woodchips, to start a fire quickly. They burn quick, "produce" smoke and dont give any warmth. In most cases they are useless. They are like garbage, and in the end they will only pollute environment. Only softwood trees are suitable for heating. Oak, birch, alder are the best, but these trees arent on first places by speed of growing stats.

I agree - many of the EU countries has placed themselves in trouble but following the direction of USA and not they have ended up in more troublesome condition.
All the countries were imposing sanctions - thinking that Russia will be kneel down infront of them but Russia emerged as more power sovereign state.

USA's pullout from Afghanistan was insignificant to the global economy, because Afghanistan has no major natural resources. COVID, even at it's peak didn't resulted in an economic recession. And the Russia-Ukraine war is having a limited impact on natural gas prices, but apart from that it's impact is also limited. Biden's win in POTUS elections of 2020 November has contributed the most to the global economic downturn. His stupid economic policies pushed up the crude oil prices from $40 per barrel to $100 per barrel and discouraged new investment in oil/gas sector. In top of this, the multi-trillion USD stimulus measures have contributed significantly to the rising inflation rates.

You are barking at the wrong tree. The root cause is the fascist Russian government that started this clusterfuck.

Russia waged an economic war on the West as they started a genocidal war in Ukraine.

Right now, no sane country would want to depend on the energy supply from Russia.

Not only that, NATO is frantically preparing for the actual war with Russia.

Europeans will find a way out of this nightmare. I am not sure Russia will.

Read my post. My issue is not with the German people, because like all of the other people from other countries, whether it's Ukranian, Russian, or American, they are all good, hard-working, and they love their countries. My issue is with the government, and their policies.

Plus "war-time economy" to start in Europe if the European Comission's proposal for emergency powers is approved. The proposal includes giving the government the right to "ask" private companies to expand or repurpose their production lines, https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_22_5443

Freedom in Russia? Where do you get your data? Russian TV? You are joking, right?

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/freedom-index-by-country

It is easy for you to say these things living in Germany and complain about your adopted country.

Go back to Russia and complain about the special military operation or Putin. You will taste Russian freedom in a New York minute.

Russian freedom is dispensed with 9mm bullets in the back of the head.

Maybe it's not very pleasant for Ukrainians to have Russians as a neighbours. Were they or any post-soviet countries satisfied with being a part of soviet union? No, so they want to get away from but you want to keep them so the war has started. If the quality of life and other criteria were high in Russia, I believe your neighbours would wish to be with you.

I think I feel more free in Germany than in Russia. When I was there in late 90s/ yearly 2000s when I was a kid, it was not safe there. There were a lot of drunk people in Moscow streets, Milizia was constantly stopping my father and mother and they were releasing us after getting some $ from us. And it was happening very often.
I have some good memories from there too, one thing to say for sure, there was a huge respect toward me, toward kids and children in overall. I was white and a little blonde with blue eyes, so when my mom or father was with me, they weren't stopping us or if they would stop and I would start crying or would look afraid, they were immediately going away from us.
My father is a very honest person and in Russia he was working as an engineer, but before that, as a builder. He was working with serious people and he was very appreciated for hard work and honesty. But outside of work, milizia was always trying to get money from us, can say the same on criminals in districts, so we were charged from both of them.

That's true, Germany does have natural resources available that scale from natural gas to coal, but is it enough to supply their population's growing energy needs? Are the policy makers making the right policies to actually use those resources and be independent from foreign countries for their energy needs? I'm not trying to disprespect Germany, and people from Germany, but the answer is "I believe not".

They kind of shooting themselves in the foot.
It must be one of the dumb strategies to corner a country that is not just equipped with nukes but also its source of energy, why they did not think Putin will cut the gas supply is just a bad calculation. The war started and they all sanction each other.

But don't you think freezing Germans to death is murder?

One of the reasons why the Germans are suffering right now is because of their push towards renewable energy. Under pressure from the Green Party, they closed down almost all of their nuclear power plants. During the 1990s, nuclear power contributed to around 30% of the overall electricity generation in that country. Now this has fallen to 8%, and the Green party wants to reduce it to 0% by the end of this decade. The most polluting source (Lignite) still contributes to around 20% of all the power generation.

I believe we should all mind our own business like
EU is now minding their business after such a big loose and deals breaking - Russia is still getting offers from round the world and EU is looking towards other to get the oil and gas for winter.

What's even more painful is at times like this, western countries rely on gas and oil from Russia as fuel to support their economy, on the other hand Russia is fully sovereign and self-sufficient, here it looks as if it wakes up a sleeping tiger, and after that where lies the responsibility superpowers that seem to regulate them, and finally the energy crisis and inflation are soaring, if this situation continues then the solution is to find alternative energy.

there will be many impacts that will occur if the energy crisis in Europe cannot be resolved, the shift from the use of natural gas by the population to firewood will make everyone go to the forest and deliberately do illegal logging which is of course strictly prohibited.  natural gas is expensive firewood will be scarce everything will be difficult, can cause natural disasters as more and more trees are cut down

Russia invaded Ukraine, of course, not at all because it lacks land. And not even in order to protect the Russian-speaking residents of Donbass, although this is stated as one of the main goals of the military special operation. Ukraine relied on anti-Russia in search of its self-identity after the collapse of the USSR, a continuous and growing existential threat has emanated and is emanating from Ukraine for Russia. Look at the emblem of the military intelligence of Ukraine - it depicts a sword stuck in a map of Russia. It is not very pleasant to have such an aggressive neighbor at hand, especially when this neighbor declares a plan to join NATO at the level of his constitution. Why this conversation when you ask about the meaning of life? Moreover, it does not matter what your standard of living is, if you do not have sovereignty, if you are not free. Russia has sovereignty, but Germany does not. Germany is occupied by the USA. If you have a better quality of life than in Russia, then you are just a prosperous slave. For Russians, freedom is not an empty phrase and definitely not a bargaining chip to buy access to spotify with it. Think about it at your leisure.

Everything must be used within reason. Often the trees grow old, fall and rot in the same forests. Therefore, sanitary felling and clearing of forests is necessary. Such wood may well be used for heating homes, and the ashes can be used as a valuable potash fertilizer for the soil. Europe is now refusing Russian energy carriers and thereby freeing itself from dependence on Russia. At the same time, it is switching to other suppliers and has set a course for a gradual transition to renewable heat sources. At first, of course, it will be difficult until everything gets better again, but in the long run, Russia will lose big.

What's the meaning of life for you? Just to work, eat, drink vodka and sleep? If that's the purpose of life, then I'd say: If homeless people survive in Russia in winter, then Germans will survive in Germany without gas and electricity. But that's not gonna happen, you know. We weren't 100% dependent on Russia. Maybe the winter will be taught for some, but not Unbearable. But the quality of life will still be much better for the average German than it's now for the average Russian.

Russia is a country that has a lot of resources and still it's pretty poor compared to others. Definitely, there is a problem in your country and among people because it's the biggest country in the world with 145 million people and still it's still poorer than Italy and the quality of life is very low, except Moscow and Saint Petersburg and these two cities don't represent the whole Russia.
Also, I want to mention that Russians are really well-educated compared to other countries but still, the average American gets a higher salary than the smart, hard-working Russian within your country. What does that mean? There is a huge problem deep inside the country and people's mentality.

I think that the problem is that your country invests most of the money in the military, it's also corrupt as fuck with high nepotism. I don't understand what's the point of getting more and more lands, you don't even use most of your lands, so what's the point to invade three countries in the 21st century? It amazes me to see that there are still some people who support Putin.

That's good for your people that basic necessities' prices are stable. The luxury cars, that can wait until the situation gets better. Haha.

Plus your cats are happy, that's good!


I believe it would be the best opportunity to quit smoking tobacco, you can save more money to buy Bitcoin.

The Apple products, you can also live without them, just like the luxury cars.


OK, then the things I heard about a conspiracy against Putin might only be propaganda.

I agree that it is a scare tactic for sure. If the consumption stays the same, there will be some heat or something found from somewhere, maybe it will be paid a lot more but it would be found. Humanity suffered worse and we came out fine and I feel like we are going to do the same thing again.

Look at what we lived during the pandemic period, that alone should be a proof enough that humanity could endure so much and still come out on top. That wasn't an easy thing and we still managed to find a way to survive and go on. Many people passed away unfortunately, and humanity lost millions of people to it, and yet the world kept on turning and we are here today.

Now there will be more climate change issue with this burning and cutting wood.
The EU countries are in sever trouble by putting the sections on the Russia. Russia hold the key to oil and gas so they have an edge. Ukraine got help from everyone and now who is going to help EU? The survival without oil and fuel is impossible.

Every action we do have a reaction.
if the germans will be using wood it will result in deforestation and climate change is already a problem. Pakistan has been hit by floods.. and this is the worst in the history - so all the EU countries which are not facing the after affect of war must take the next step with great care.