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It is difficult to see for the football fan that HSV has fallen so far. In the years that van Der Vaart still played here, they always played at the top of the Bundesliga. A club with this history should win the championship here in this competition. Even though the teams have also become stronger across the width. Could it have been financial mismanagement or other sponsor problems?

You often readed about Hamburg that the problem there is also the media. As soon as Hamburger SV lost three games in a row, the media jumped all over their performance. That must have caused a lot of pressure and that pressure was transferred to the players. But there were also internal problems in the management and the management was replaced too often. No consistency.

vdv was with Hamburger SV from 2005 to 2008. That is too long ago to compare it with today.

@bct_ail I do agree with you these days media can troll, say anything they want by hiring pundits (ex player’s) to  say statements that cause more pressure on the player’s, and even fans often get misled by these statements and turn on their own team. Lastly the media pressure won’t be going away anytime soon, hence they’ll have to work really hard if they ever want to compete in Bundesliga again.
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It is difficult to see for the football fan that HSV has fallen so far. In the years that van Der Vaart still played here, they always played at the top of the Bundesliga. A club with this history should win the championship here in this competition. Even though the teams have also become stronger across the width. Could it have been financial mismanagement or other sponsor problems?

You often readed about Hamburg that the problem there is also the media. As soon as Hamburger SV lost three games in a row, the media jumped all over their performance. That must have caused a lot of pressure and that pressure was transferred to the players. But there were also internal problems in the management and the management was replaced too often. No consistency.

vdv was with Hamburger SV from 2005 to 2008. That is too long ago to compare it with today.
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Well, history doesn't count that much. I would rather say that a club with their potential should be way stronger than they are. They literally have everything that a club needs to be one of the leading powers in German football, and also in the Europa League. Wouldn't say Champions League, but even that could be possible with strong management. They are just doing too many things wrong. Very similar to Schalke.
I agree that during a game the club history doesn't count that much, however a (formerly) "big" team might have an advantage due to the larger infrastructure and people connections that probably is still around from the better years. Also they have a (potentially) larger fan base and media coverage. (It is never a truely fair fight  Wink)

The last points counts that you mentioned: it is never a truly fair fight. But you can lose some of that substance you built in the past as well. There is Bremen, Schalke, Hamburg, they all competed for the Bundesliga title, but if you were to guess now when that is going to happen again, would you say within the next 5 years? 10 years? 20 years? I would probably tend towards 20 years, if ever.
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Well, history doesn't count that much. I would rather say that a club with their potential should be way stronger than they are. They literally have everything that a club needs to be one of the leading powers in German football, and also in the Europa League. Wouldn't say Champions League, but even that could be possible with strong management. They are just doing too many things wrong. Very similar to Schalke.
I agree that during a game the club history doesn't count that much, however a (formerly) "big" team might have an advantage due to the larger infrastructure and people connections that probably is still around from the better years. Also they have a (potentially) larger fan base and media coverage. (It is never a truely fair fight  Wink)

If we look at it this way, even the Bundesliga 2 looks like the graveyard of clubs that were big in the past years.  Not only Hamburg, clubs such as Werder Bremen, Schalke, Nürnberg, Hannover, St Pauli are the teams that have played in the Bundesliga for a long time in the past years.  Football is very different from 30 years ago.  Now the economy has become a force for the teams.  It wasn't like that in the past.  Football was more passionate in the past.  Anyway, people still want to see teams like this play in the Bundesliga.
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Well, history doesn't count that much. I would rather say that a club with their potential should be way stronger than they are. They literally have everything that a club needs to be one of the leading powers in German football, and also in the Europa League. Wouldn't say Champions League, but even that could be possible with strong management. They are just doing too many things wrong. Very similar to Schalke.
I agree that during a game the club history doesn't count that much, however a (formerly) "big" team might have an advantage due to the larger infrastructure and people connections that probably is still around from the better years. Also they have a (potentially) larger fan base and media coverage. (It is never a truely fair fight  Wink)
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My guess is that Pauli and Darmstadt will both qualify for the Bundesliga. They are now ahead of the points table so I'm not saying this. Their gameplay is very nice. Their players have the ability to score goals. At the same time their defense is not weak. The gameplay of Pauli and Darmstadt is much better than Schalke and Bremen.

Since their first year in the 2. Bundesliga (2018), Hamburger SV have been in 1st place after the first half of the season, then 2nd place and then 1st place again. And despite these places, they have not yet managed to get promoted again. At some point, their performance plummeted. We will see if it will happen with St. Pauli or Darmstadt too.

It is difficult to see for the football fan that HSV has fallen so far. In the years that van Der Vaart still played here, they always played at the top of the Bundesliga. A club with this history should win the championship here in this competition. Even though the teams have also become stronger across the width. Could it have been financial mismanagement or other sponsor problems?

Well, history doesn't count that much. I would rather say that a club with their potential should be way stronger than they are. They literally have everything that a club needs to be one of the leading powers in German football, and also in the Europa League. Wouldn't say Champions League, but even that could be possible with strong management. They are just doing too many things wrong. Very similar to Schalke.
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My guess is that Pauli and Darmstadt will both qualify for the Bundesliga. They are now ahead of the points table so I'm not saying this. Their gameplay is very nice. Their players have the ability to score goals. At the same time their defense is not weak. The gameplay of Pauli and Darmstadt is much better than Schalke and Bremen.

Since their first year in the 2. Bundesliga (2018), Hamburger SV have been in 1st place after the first half of the season, then 2nd place and then 1st place again. And despite these places, they have not yet managed to get promoted again. At some point, their performance plummeted. We will see if it will happen with St. Pauli or Darmstadt too.

It is difficult to see for the football fan that HSV has fallen so far. In the years that van Der Vaart still played here, they always played at the top of the Bundesliga. A club with this history should win the championship here in this competition. Even though the teams have also become stronger across the width. Could it have been financial mismanagement or other sponsor problems?
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My guess is that Pauli and Darmstadt will both qualify for the Bundesliga. They are now ahead of the points table so I'm not saying this. Their gameplay is very nice. Their players have the ability to score goals. At the same time their defense is not weak. The gameplay of Pauli and Darmstadt is much better than Schalke and Bremen.

Since their first year in the 2. Bundesliga (2018), Hamburger SV have been in 1st place after the first half of the season, then 2nd place and then 1st place again. And despite these places, they have not yet managed to get promoted again. At some point, their performance plummeted. We will see if it will happen with St. Pauli or Darmstadt too.
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St Pauli and Darmstadt are competing with each other superbly. They both already have a decent gap with the rest of the teams. It has been a long time since we saw any of these teams in the Bundesliga as far as I remember. We have just got past the half of the season. If these teams manage to keep this effort level, we could see them promoting to the Bundesliga directly.
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There are more former "big" teams in the 2nd league, besides Hamburg and Schalke, for instance Nürnberg and Bremen. Not all of them can't make it, but I am pretty sure that we will see 1-2 out of those 4 going up again next year.
I admit that many former Bundesliga clubs currently play in Bundesliga 2, but of these clubs, of course Schalke is one of the big teams that suffered the most tragic fate, in the past Schalke was a pretty great club and gave birth to many star players , besides that they are even able to trouble big teams in leagues and European competitions, I remember if they ever reached the quarter-finals of the 2018/2019 Champions League then, but financial problems made their performance in the Bundesliga quite bad in the last 3 seasons and even they were forced to experience relegation last season, to be honest I really want to see  next season schalke can return to play in the bundesliga and become a team that can trouble giant teams like Bayern Munich and Dortmund.
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i also believe that this season a club will be promoted to the 1st bundesliga that already played in the 2nd bundesliga last season and the second club to be promoted will be last year's relegated club from the 1st bundesliga (bremen or schalke).
my wish would currently be st. pauli and werder bremen Wink

My guess is that Pauli and Darmstadt will both qualify for the Bundesliga. I can see, they are now ahead of the points table, so, I'm not only saying this, their point table says.
I think their gameplay is very nice and the players have the ability to score goals. At the same time you know, their defense is not so weak.
You have to be said, the gameplay of Pauli and Darmstadt is much better than Schalke and Bremen.
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I just want to remind you @coco23 to be more careful in cutting the quoted post, you quoted Juggy777's post by putting my name in the quote you cut.
Oops, I am sorry about that, I deleted one line too many and it messed up the quote, I fixed it.

One perk of so many teams at the top is, that we will see top games almost every week now  Wink
When the league continues in 2.5 weeks it'll be "only" Nürnberg vs Paderborn, but then right after we'll see Hamburg vs St.Pauli and Paderborn vs Bremen. It'll be important motivation-wise to keep up with the best teams in the first weeks of the new year
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@judas it’s a welcome break for the player’s who’ll also get some much needed family time, and rest too as it’s been a tough year for them too. Furthermore St, Pauli have played really good so far, but if their form dips post the break then they’ll be in big trouble, hence I’m hoping that they can continue this fine form once the league resumes again.
I think what's surprising is Hamburger SV because even though Hamburger SV are in third place, but Hamburger SV so far have only lost 2 and it's the only team so far in the 2. Bundesliga that has lost the fewest. Also, there are four teams that have collected the same points at the end of this year's break with 30 points, the competition for third place is clearly still a hunt for many teams. Because for me, positions one and two might be defended by St. Pauli and Darmstadt and it is possible, considering the points gap which I think is good enough for both of them.
I don't think that 5 or 6 points is a save gap in a league with so many teams on a similar level. They do have a slight advantage, but not more than that. All it takes is a loss against a direct competitor and it's practiacally even. For me all the spots are wide open and everything is possible. I expect an exciting second half of the season.
I just want to remind you @coco23 to be more careful in cutting the quoted post, you quoted Juggy777's post by putting my name in the quote you cut.

But about the competition 2. Bundesliga indeed, with a gap of 5-6 points even 10 points still does not guarantee they will be safe. But if they can be consistent or at least can perform better than the teams below, then I personally believe at the end of the season they have a better chance to be able to maintain their position at the top of the standings.
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There are more former "big" teams in the 2nd league, besides Hamburg and Schalke, for instance Nürnberg and Bremen. Not all of them can't make it, but I am pretty sure that we will see 1-2 out of those 4 going up again next year.

It can certainly be assumed that at least one of them will occupy the first 3 places.


i also believe that this season a club will be promoted to the 1st bundesliga that already played in the 2nd bundesliga last season and the second club to be promoted will be last year's relegated club from the 1st bundesliga (bremen or schalke).
my wish would currently be st. pauli and werder bremen Wink
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As a fan of Schalke 04, you can soon look forward to a documentary about your club. So far, no date is known when the documentary will be shown. But surely other fans and not only Schalke fans will watch it.

There are more former "big" teams in the 2nd league, besides Hamburg and Schalke, for instance Nürnberg and Bremen. Not all of them can't make it, but I am pretty sure that we will see 1-2 out of those 4 going up again next year.

It can certainly be assumed that at least one of them will occupy the first 3 places.
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There are more former "big" teams in the 2nd league, besides Hamburg and Schalke, for instance Nürnberg and Bremen. Not all of them can't make it, but I am pretty sure that we will see 1-2 out of those 4 going up again next year.
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I would really like to see Hamburg and Schalke in the Bundesliga again as of the next season.

Hamburger SV has always played at the top in recent years and they were always a candidate for promotion. But in the last few match days at each season they didn't make it. No idea why. I think it will be the same again this season.
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Jahn Regensburg lost points and is now the eighth team in the table. They have lost 4 of the last 5 matches. Schalke has improved their performance. The team is stable enough now. They are now the fourth team in the points table. They are just 6 points behind Pauli at the top of the points table. If Schalke is to maintain their form, they deserve to be at the top of the points table.
Schalke which is one of the big clubs in germany, was forced to suffer relegation after playing quite badly last season, seeing schalke game which has started to improve this season of course they have a chance to be able to return to play in the bundesliga, schalke who are now in the top 4 still have 16 match to get back into the promotion zone, to be honest I really want to see schalke next season return to their natural habitat in the Bundesliga 1.
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@judas it’s a welcome break for the player’s who’ll also get some much needed family time, and rest too as it’s been a tough year for them too. Furthermore St, Pauli have played really good so far, but if their form dips post the break then they’ll be in big trouble, hence I’m hoping that they can continue this fine form once the league resumes again.
I think what's surprising is Hamburger SV because even though Hamburger SV are in third place, but Hamburger SV so far have only lost 2 and it's the only team so far in the 2. Bundesliga that has lost the fewest. Also, there are four teams that have collected the same points at the end of this year's break with 30 points, the competition for third place is clearly still a hunt for many teams. Because for me, positions one and two might be defended by St. Pauli and Darmstadt and it is possible, considering the points gap which I think is good enough for both of them.
I don't think that 5 or 6 points is a save gap in a league with so many teams on a similar level. They do have a slight advantage, but not more than that. All it takes is a loss against a direct competitor and it's practiacally even. For me all the spots are wide open and everything is possible. I expect an exciting second half of the season.
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i see it exactly the same way. st. pauli and darmstadt 98 can't feel safe yet either ... there are still 16 matchdays to play and with this constelation there can still be a lot of movement in the table. all clubs are simply very close to each other with their points.
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@judas it’s a welcome break for the player’s who’ll also get some much needed family time, and rest too as it’s been a tough year for them too. Furthermore St, Pauli have played really good so far, but if their form dips post the break then they’ll be in big trouble, hence I’m hoping that they can continue this fine form once the league resumes again.
I think what's surprising is Hamburger SV because even though Hamburger SV are in third place, but Hamburger SV so far have only lost 2 and it's the only team so far in the 2. Bundesliga that has lost the fewest. Also, there are four teams that have collected the same points at the end of this year's break with 30 points, the competition for third place is clearly still a hunt for many teams. Because for me, positions one and two might be defended by St. Pauli and Darmstadt and it is possible, considering the points gap which I think is good enough for both of them.
I don't think that 5 or 6 points is a save gap in a league with so many teams on a similar level. They do have a slight advantage, but not more than that. All it takes is a loss against a direct competitor and it's practiacally even. For me all the spots are wide open and everything is possible. I expect an exciting second half of the season.
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