Although Dortmund is always considered as a player selling team, but I think they are still trying to be a champion contender all this time, yes maybe they didn't succeed in winning the championship trophy but at least it will increase the market value of their players so far, I think there is no big team that doesn't want to win the championship trophy In the end, however, we also cannot deny that without selling players it will only make the several team not run well, because they do not have strong finances compared to other teams.
This was when Borussia Dortmund was feared by most of the teams on this Bundesliga because this squad has created a lot of good record for the club, so indirectly this was the players that made Borussia Dortmund to have the kind of respect they did then, actually imagine if this kind of players are still in Borussia Dortmund they would have been dominating the Bundesliga more than the way Bayern Munich has been on the league because Borussia Dortmund use to be very consistent on there Bundesliga then but now a lot of things has changed about them, though Borussia Dortmund is well known in terms of generating a good players because the above listed names are currently doing very well on there current clubs. 
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Today Dortmund will return to the pre-season match and will face one of team from La Liga, it is clear that Dortmund is still the favorite in this match.
Villarreal last season experienced significant decline in performance and failed to get single ticket for other European competitions, in the previous season they were still able to get Europa League ticket but they had to fast for other European competitions next season.
Nuri Sahin as Dortmund new coach hopes to still be able to see his players play well and really take advantage of every pre-season match with different game tactics adaptations from before and be able to play well in the Bundesliga next season.
I still hope they can play according to expectations and can really prove that they are still worthy as team that is favored.
Dortmund is still in a transition stage after changing coaches some time ago and so far in several friendly matches played by Dortmund we have not seen any significant improvement, even in the 3 friendly matches they have played dortmund has only been able to achieve one win over the opposing team, against Villareal which incidentally is one of the big teams in La Liga, Nuri Sahin should prepare their game strategy better ahead of the match if they don't want to continue to be criticized by Dortmund fans at this time, facing Villareal is not an easy match for Dortmund even though the match is only friendly match because after all Villareal will of course also be aiming for victory in this match, to be honest, after seeing several friendly matches played by Dortmund currently, it seems to make me doubt that Nuri Sahin will be able to bring Dortmund better next season compared to Edin Terzic achievements last season.Villarreal last season experienced significant decline in performance and failed to get single ticket for other European competitions, in the previous season they were still able to get Europa League ticket but they had to fast for other European competitions next season.
Nuri Sahin as Dortmund new coach hopes to still be able to see his players play well and really take advantage of every pre-season match with different game tactics adaptations from before and be able to play well in the Bundesliga next season.
I still hope they can play according to expectations and can really prove that they are still worthy as team that is favored.
In reality, we can see how Dortmund, who are currently under the leadership of Nuri Sahin, cannot perform well in every pre-season match, they still look difficult and seem to be not optimizing their abilities.
It is very unfortunate how Dortmund defense line cannot really play well, but for the front line I admit that Dortmund has an attacking style of play that is not so bad.
In the end, the match ended in 2-2 draw and this was result that was not in accordance with expectations because I expected Dortmund to win even though only by narrow score.
Everything that is being discussed here now is just speculation, nothing more, because it is not known how Kompany will be able to manage Bayern, but everyone is used to Bayern not giving up their advantage in the Bundesliga for a long time and therefore expect that this time everything will return to normal. Dortmund have strengthened well in the off-season, so we can expect that they will be able to rise higher than 5th place in the table, Stuttgart will most likely not be able to repeat the same thing again, but we are left with Bayer, from whom we do not yet know what to expect, they will either beat everyone again, or it will turn out that this was just one successful season for Alonso.
Last season we saw the difference in competition in the Bundesliga because several Bundesliga teams were able to advance stronger so that they competed with Bayern Munich and even Leverkusen managed to break Bayern's dominance to win the Bundesliga title.So it is the same for next season, the same thing is likely to happen regardless of who wins the Bundesliga title later but what is certain is that the fierce competition for it will happen again.
And a lot of talk about Vincent Kompany I think is reasonable because currently some people are optimistic about Vincent Kompany and some doubt Vincent Kompany to be able to make Bayern better next season.
So Vincent Kompany's role with Bayern next season will be quite anticipated by many people.
One thing we need to understand is that not all clubs will be able to keep their most important players at the same time, some clubs are definitely just going to be developing talents and then letting them leave, clubs like Benfica and Ajax can also be good player’s example again. This clubs are built the same and no matter how they do well in their league they will end up selling their players, Dortmund isn’t different from them, even if they win the Bundesliga today they will sell off their best player to their direct opponents self, I could remember the same issue with the Lewandowski then when he moved to Bayern Munich.
I also agree with you some clubs like Benfica Ajax and Dortmund are like training schools for young players. They help players to get better but then they sell them to bigger clubs. These kind of clubs make money by selling their best players instead of they do not take any season seriously and do not win any trophy. It is sad for fans to see their favorite players leave but that is how transfer market works. Even if Dortmund wins league they will probably still sell their best players to top clubs like Bayern Munich. This makes it hard for these clubs to be successful for long time and compete with best teams in Europe.But all of that cannot be doubted, their management performance factor is very good at investing, and in my opinion they are not too focused on winning the title, they are more focused on player development, of course this is good, and of course they are not fighting for the title because they have to compete with other rich clubs Munich certainly frustrates them and most likely they do it to make a good investment for the benefit of the club of course I say this is a great thing for them.
In the future I want Dortmund to change, I want to see more players stay like the loyal guard Marco Reus. If Dortmund can continue to produce talent and build a team together, Dortmund can completely reach out to the big sea.
Although I don't really understand Vincent Kompany's character, I'm sure he is a professional coach who will always ignore any bad criticism even though he sometimes feels pressured, but getting the opportunity to coach a big club like Bayern Munich is a great honor that should end with proof.
We'll see later whether Bayern Munich will have a big improvement in every match but I believe that Munich will get the Bundesliga title again and Leverkusen will experience a decline in performance and Dortmund will again become Munich's strongest challenger.
Everything that is being discussed here now is just speculation, nothing more, because it is not known how Kompany will be able to manage Bayern, but everyone is used to Bayern not giving up their advantage in the Bundesliga for a long time and therefore expect that this time everything will return to normal. Dortmund have strengthened well in the off-season, so we can expect that they will be able to rise higher than 5th place in the table, Stuttgart will most likely not be able to repeat the same thing again, but we are left with Bayer, from whom we do not yet know what to expect, they will either beat everyone again, or it will turn out that this was just one successful season for Alonso. We'll see later whether Bayern Munich will have a big improvement in every match but I believe that Munich will get the Bundesliga title again and Leverkusen will experience a decline in performance and Dortmund will again become Munich's strongest challenger.
The thought of this only would make Kompany try harder to make things work out for him and the club in his first season. He should look for a way not to be bothered about the negative comments on him being the head coach of the team flying around as incapable-snip-
Kompany was under a lot of pressure when he chose to coach Munich. Since the official announcement regarding Munich's new coach, many people doubted him on the grounds that Kompany did not have the capacity to handle a big team like Munich. This could be a motivation for him to improve his quality as a coach and bring Munich a trophy this season. This is a tough season for Munich because Leverkusen has become their competitor after Dortmund. Kompany and his players must really try hard because many fans are angry and disappointed after they failed to win a single trophy last season.We'll see later whether Bayern Munich will have a big improvement in every match but I believe that Munich will get the Bundesliga title again and Leverkusen will experience a decline in performance and Dortmund will again become Munich's strongest challenger.
Vincent Kompany is only 38 years old. Ronaldo is still playing at the age of 39. Modric, on the other hand, at the age of 38, is still with the squad of renowned clubs like Real Madrid. But Kompany retired from football a long time ago and took up coaching as a career. Of course he has other plans. He previously coached a small team like Burnley and was not successful with this team. He also failed to stabilize this group. But I don't think Munich will fail with Bayern Munich.
Kompany lacks experience. At the same time, Vincent Kompany is facing various criticisms after becoming the coach of Munich. Kompany will certainly have to respond to these criticisms. And he will have to try hard to stabilize the performance in Munich. If Munich can dominate the Bundesliga next season, it will certainly prove that the Bayern Munich management did not make a mistake in appointing Kompany as coach.
One thing we need to understand is that not all clubs will be able to keep their most important players at the same time, some clubs are definitely just going to be developing talents and then letting them leave, clubs like Benfica and Ajax can also be good player’s example again. This clubs are built the same and no matter how they do well in their league they will end up selling their players, Dortmund isn’t different from them, even if they win the Bundesliga today they will sell off their best player to their direct opponents self, I could remember the same issue with the Lewandowski then when he moved to Bayern Munich.
I also agree with you some clubs like Benfica Ajax and Dortmund are like training schools for young players. They help players to get better but then they sell them to bigger clubs. These kind of clubs make money by selling their best players instead of they do not take any season seriously and do not win any trophy. It is sad for fans to see their favorite players leave but that is how transfer market works. Even if Dortmund wins league they will probably still sell their best players to top clubs like Bayern Munich. This makes it hard for these clubs to be successful for long time and compete with best teams in Europe.But all of that cannot be doubted, their management performance factor is very good at investing, and in my opinion they are not too focused on winning the title, they are more focused on player development, of course this is good, and of course they are not fighting for the title because they have to compete with other rich clubs Munich certainly frustrates them and most likely they do it to make a good investment for the benefit of the club of course I say this is a great thing for them.
The thought of this only would make Kompany try harder to make things work out for him and the club in his first season. He should look for a way not to be bothered about the negative comments on him being the head coach of the team flying around as incapable-snip-
Kompany was under a lot of pressure when he chose to coach Munich. Since the official announcement regarding Munich's new coach, many people doubted him on the grounds that Kompany did not have the capacity to handle a big team like Munich. This could be a motivation for him to improve his quality as a coach and bring Munich a trophy this season. This is a tough season for Munich because Leverkusen has become their competitor after Dortmund. Kompany and his players must really try hard because many fans are angry and disappointed after they failed to win a single trophy last season.We'll see later whether Bayern Munich will have a big improvement in every match but I believe that Munich will get the Bundesliga title again and Leverkusen will experience a decline in performance and Dortmund will again become Munich's strongest challenger.
The thought of this only would make Kompany try harder to make things work out for him and the club in his first season. He should look for a way not to be bothered about the negative comments on him being the head coach of the team flying around as incapable-snip-
Kompany was under a lot of pressure when he chose to coach Munich. Since the official announcement regarding Munich's new coach, many people doubted him on the grounds that Kompany did not have the capacity to handle a big team like Munich. This could be a motivation for him to improve his quality as a coach and bring Munich a trophy this season. This is a tough season for Munich because Leverkusen has become their competitor after Dortmund. Kompany and his players must really try hard because many fans are angry and disappointed after they failed to win a single trophy last season. 
Yes, this is a reasonable reason. Even for now, their current transfer record is still in a loss position, with a not insignificant amount, €-22.90m.
Source: Borussia Dortmund if they didn’t sell their stars
Here is their squad list if they do not sell any of their top players so far. However, does not selling them mean Dortmund can be much more advanced? Not necessarily, because once again, Dortmund's finances are not that good to keep those top players, and that is the reason why they often sell their top players, for the sake of their financial balance.
Life is not reverting back and use many assumptions like this. Dortmund succeed with their strategy to build up their team with young players around the world, then sell them with high transfer prices and repeat the cycle. They did not win many titles recent years but maintained their position good enough in Bundesliga and Champions League.Source: Borussia Dortmund if they didn’t sell their stars
Here is their squad list if they do not sell any of their top players so far. However, does not selling them mean Dortmund can be much more advanced? Not necessarily, because once again, Dortmund's finances are not that good to keep those top players, and that is the reason why they often sell their top players, for the sake of their financial balance.
It means Dortmund are growing up sustainably and I believe they will continue with this development strategy than taking more risk to buy star players and pay them higher salary. A healthy finance from sustainable strategy is key of a club future and Dortmund are doing it well.
It's clearly regretful to revert time and look at star players they sold recent years but you can not achieve all things in life, only one or another.
The Borussia Dortmund vs Villareal match today ended in a 2-2 draw, which is a fair result for both clubs, especially Dortmund, who were initially 2 goals behind, but this club was able to turn things around and finally hold the Spanish club to a draw.
Luckily I didn't bet on Dortmund winning because I knew Dortmund would definitely to thwart my bet, so betting on BTTS was a reasonable option in this match.
Luckily I didn't bet on Dortmund winning because I knew Dortmund would definitely to thwart my bet, so betting on BTTS was a reasonable option in this match.
One thing we need to understand is that not all clubs will be able to keep their most important players at the same time, some clubs are definitely just going to be developing talents and then letting them leave, clubs like Benfica and Ajax can also be good player’s example again. This clubs are built the same and no matter how they do well in their league they will end up selling their players, Dortmund isn’t different from them, even if they win the Bundesliga today they will sell off their best player to their direct opponents self, I could remember the same issue with the Lewandowski then when he moved to Bayern Munich.
I also agree with you some clubs like Benfica Ajax and Dortmund are like training schools for young players. They help players to get better but then they sell them to bigger clubs. These kind of clubs make money by selling their best players instead of they do not take any season seriously and do not win any trophy. It is sad for fans to see their favorite players leave but that is how transfer market works. Even if Dortmund wins league they will probably still sell their best players to top clubs like Bayern Munich. This makes it hard for these clubs to be successful for long time and compete with best teams in Europe. 
Bayern Munich should pay special attention this year. Because last year they experienced a series of innovations against Bayer Leverkusen and could not achieve any success in the league, Europe and domestic cups. It was the first time in a long time that they ended a season without a trophy. That's why Kompany's job is harder this year. They have to win every trophy and every match. Only then can they make up for last year.
Bayern Munich even with all the attention they are paying we don't know if they will be able to achieve what they have in mind, it is not about what you have in mind it is how you work towards it, and is Bayern Munich ready or do they even have the capacity to be able to succeed in their journey to chase success, now that Bayer Leverkusen have tested victory will they want to be let Bayern take back their old glory I don't think so, for something that is already established, it will be very difficult to allow the whole thing go the way it was, clubs that performed better than Bayern last season will also want to do better than what they played last season, they should leave Kompany alone till the season starts then that way we will be able to decide whether he will do well or not they should give the young its chance everyone deserves one.
I also think Borussia Dortmund will not change their style easily. They have a team strategy that has been going on for years. This team strategy will continue. If they win the Bundesliga championship one day, these criticisms will gradually end. The Bundesliga is a league that is used to Bayern Munich winning the championship, but last year Leverkusen managed to destroy that. I hope this year will be a good year for Borussia Dortmund too.
One thing we need to understand is that not all clubs will be able to keep their most important players at the same time, some clubs are definitely just going to be developing talents and then letting them leave, clubs like Benfica and Ajax can also be good player’s example again. This clubs are built the same and no matter how they do well in their league they will end up selling their players, Dortmund isn’t different from them, even if they win the Bundesliga today they will sell off their best player to their direct opponents self, I could remember the same issue with the Lewandowski then when he moved to Bayern Munich.
Betting on a friendly match is too risky, both teams are experimenting with lineups and do not pay much attention to the result in pre-season training. I think that Villarreal will not lose today, but in any case, I refrain from betting on friendly matches, because the result can be anything, and the last match with Nottingham, Villarreal played 0:0, that is, even this can happen, and to think that there may be many goals in the match to think about betting on the total, there are also risks. And Dortmund without Terzic can show a completely different game.
Personally, I don't pay attention to Pre-season game results because it's usually shocking. We will witness game outcomes where elite clubs becomes victims of defeats to average clubs. Pre-season matches are definitely not the actual focus which will be coming from the coaches. It's advisable to not bother oneself towards these results and we should always tap in for bigger winnings especially when the league starts. 
Dortmund president has give the statement regarding why they had a habit always be sell their important players to other clubs this because Dortmund is not the club with strong financial such as Bayern Munich and with selling players to other clubs it can managed the balanced of financial club so that's why although Dortmund has received plenty of critism about their habit then they will always be doing that
Yes, this is a reasonable reason. Even for now, their current transfer record is still in a loss position, with a not insignificant amount, €-22.90m.Source: Borussia Dortmund if they didn’t sell their stars
Here is their squad list if they do not sell any of their top players so far. However, does not selling them mean Dortmund can be much more advanced? Not necessarily, because once again, Dortmund's finances are not that good to keep those top players, and that is the reason why they often sell their top players, for the sake of their financial balance.
Utilizing the opportunity to gain sympathy and confidence is of course very good but it should also not be used as a reference and rule out some players who should be given playing time especially for them young players.
So that there is a balance where when he takes the confidence of the fans to see him as a worthy coach, this is also intended so that he can make young players comfortable because they get flying hours in a club because they are given the opportunity.
With the few games Kompany has played in the pre-season he's done that and that's a very good thing I think. There are some players who are given trust and get a good potential in the squad when the friendly matches can build their mentality to be even better so that pre-season although in terms of results we cannot expect much but it was quite successfully done by Kompany.
Of course there should be a room for other small players to also prove themselves, actually I understand the reason why you mentioned that because in most cases whenever a new coach is giving the opportunity they will tend to disallowed other smaller players from performing so that they will be able to continue wining all there matches and in most cases players doesn't like that kind of coaching pattern, however the good thing is that Kompany is not that kind of coach because during the time he was playing for Manchester City he knows that there are so much performance on young players if given the opportunity so he will always consider them, so perhaps already we can see it from there pre season matches because he did not only use the old players but also few of there younger players to see how they can perform. So that there is a balance where when he takes the confidence of the fans to see him as a worthy coach, this is also intended so that he can make young players comfortable because they get flying hours in a club because they are given the opportunity.
With the few games Kompany has played in the pre-season he's done that and that's a very good thing I think. There are some players who are given trust and get a good potential in the squad when the friendly matches can build their mentality to be even better so that pre-season although in terms of results we cannot expect much but it was quite successfully done by Kompany.
Apart from the coaches looking for new space to create schemes with some adjustments to be made in the work plan next season, coaches also know that they have to utilize the conditions of pre-season / friendly matches as an option to find the best seeds in their squad by providing good flight hours for young players especially by playing young players in matches like this will not interfere with the club's situation because this match is still a trial so surely all coaches will do the same because in addition to regeneration, this is also a form of developing young talent to benefit them later.
Borussia Dortmund has been doing this for years. They get the biggest criticism for this, but nothing changes. They see it as a business and think that selling players is more important than winning the championship. The criticism of football fans about Borussia Dortmund doesn't change the situation. They always sell their best players and try to find and train other players. They are actually very good at it.
Maybe this understanding will change and they will try to win the championship until the end and maintain their quality squad, but some clubs can't give up their habits easily.
Dortmund president has give the statement regarding why they had a habit always be sell their important players to other clubs this because Dortmund is not the club with strong financial such as Bayern Munich and with selling players to other clubs it can managed the balanced of financial club so that's why although Dortmund has received plenty of critism about their habit then they will always be doing thatMaybe this understanding will change and they will try to win the championship until the end and maintain their quality squad, but some clubs can't give up their habits easily.
Maybe if Dortmund didn't sell their players probably they can being an strong contender for race title for every season with Bayern Munich and imagined if Dortmund didn't sell Robert Lewandowski, Ilkay Gundogan, Erling Haaland, Jadon Sancho and Ousmane Dembele i think this team can be easily to gets Bundesliga trophy but unfurtunately Dortmund have to sell these players because they required money
What they are doing is not longer a mistake, it is a deliberate attitude and I think it's the way they plan to be carrying out their operations. Assuming it was a mistake, they would have realized the mistake after selling off a few players and see how great they become especially the goal machine Haaland. After Haaland they have built and sold players that are extremely doing well too. Assuming they are interested to build a squad ready to win trophy, they would have been convincing these players to stay with them and achieve positive results together. The fact still remains that they prefer and Prioritize business over building the team for competition.
But maybe as you understand that having a habit of selling some potential players that have been formed is much more profitable than focusing on the championship, and on the other hand I think that if Dortmund did not have a habit of selling the potential players they have then they would most likely be able to win consecutive trophies in the last few years by shifting Bayern Munich's position. Oh yes, I don't know yet whether Dortmund now has plans to sell its players again or not, but there is a possibility.
Borussia Dortmund has been doing this for years. They get the biggest criticism for this, but nothing changes. They see it as a business and think that selling players is more important than winning the championship. The criticism of football fans about Borussia Dortmund doesn't change the situation. They always sell their best players and try to find and train other players. They are actually very good at it.
Maybe this understanding will change and they will try to win the championship until the end and maintain their quality squad, but some clubs can't give up their habits easily.
Borussia Dortmund has been doing this for years. They get the biggest criticism for this, but nothing changes. They see it as a business and think that selling players is more important than winning the championship. The criticism of football fans about Borussia Dortmund doesn't change the situation. They always sell their best players and try to find and train other players. They are actually very good at it.
Maybe this understanding will change and they will try to win the championship until the end and maintain their quality squad, but some clubs can't give up their habits easily.
The criticism that comes to them does not change them, yes they do not care about it because they continue to try to do business from the sales of players that they do. For a big team like them, actually listening to criticism from outside is also necessary, because some of them are also criticisms that can build them to be better, but unfortunately they do not do that.Maybe this understanding will change and they will try to win the championship until the end and maintain their quality squad, but some clubs can't give up their habits easily.
Business in football cannot be separated, but they must realize that they also need achievements. They cannot be selfish as a team, they also have to see how thirsty their supporters are for a title. That is actually very possible for them to achieve as long as they are serious about pursuing it.
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