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I will not put my money on Bayern Leverkusen beating Bayern Munic when they meet next because the present Bayern Munic is doing much better than Leverkusen. Besides, it will be a big slap on the face of Bayern Munic to be beaten home and away by Bayern Leverkusen, hence I don't see this happening this season again. If I were Xabi Alonso, I will aim for a draw with Bayern Munic and then concentrate in winning other teams and avoiding drawing smaller teams as much as possible. Nevertheless, it will be an interesting match that will likely decide how the league will end because if the gap between those two top teams widens, it makes winning the league easier for Bayern Munic.

Just because it will be a "big slap" in Bayern's face, that doesn't mean it cannot happen. Also, that Bayern's home loss to Leverkusen was a DFB Pokal game, not the league game, so it's possible that Kompany did not prioritise it the same as league games or the Champions League. Their last league clash was a 1-1 draw (in Munich).
So considering their head-to-head results, Leverkusen should be the favourite to win. But of course, current form is much more important than past stats, and there will be quite a few games to go before those two meet on 15th Feb, so we'll have a better picture closer to that date.
ps. it's "Bayer" Leverkusen, not "Bayern".

@pawel777 I don't think it is worth the time to respond to guys like Moreno233. He is strange to say the last. His reasoning is a 0/10. The information he is spreading is 0/10. Saying that Alonso should aim for a draw against Bayern is a 10/10 on the stupidity scale considering that Leverkusen beat them in one of the most important games this season already. It's tough to read that crap.

But please do me a favor and don't talk the same way when you use words like prioritization. The games against Leverkusen are the most important ones for Bayern on the national level as they are the only ones who have a reasonable chance to take titles away from Bayern. Hence there is no prioritization. I agree that Leverkusen is the favorite to win the game in the second half of the season.

I read this "Bayern Leverkusen" a couple of times before, but can't remember whether it's always Moreno233. But you can see that they have no clue what's going on.
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All Bundesliga clubs are celebrating the long end of year holiday, there is plenty of time for them to prepare their best squad when the league starts in January.
And we will see the opening match later colored by a fierce match, Dortmund vs Leverkusen is the opening match in that month, I think we have agreed that the match will definitely be fierce. Xabi and Nuri Sahin will definitely prepare their best squad later.
If I have to choose one team it will be difficult for me, how about you?
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Why though? If your aim is to win the league you'll need to take points from your rivals too. Especially when they have a 4-point gap atm. Aiming for a draw feels like they don't have the confidence before the match even begins. I don't know what Alonso's or Leverkusen's goal this season is, but I'd be disappointed if they're just aiming for a top 4 and playing safe every now and then instead of trying to win a second Bundesliga trophy.

Exactly! Why would Xabi Alonso see his team weaker than them and play according to that? He would always play for 3 points that's for sure. Leverkusen are a different team from now on. Not a loser team in the Bundesliga.  Smiley

They have become a title contender thanks to Xabi Alonso's arrival. The previous season was extraordinary. It was so unreal that nobody should expect the exact same performance this season as well.

Maybe they first started this season badly but now they are back in solid shape being only 4 points away from the leader.  Wink  At this point they really had better beat Bayern Munich home next time. It would be a big step towards a back-to-back title.
Xabi should bring Leverkusen with the target to defend the title, because somehow they can do it and with their current form they are very likely to do it. Despite the unsatisfactory results they experienced at the beginning of the season, but now they have been able to get back on track, they have won a series of wins and that is a good capital and it should make their confidence even better. In the Champions League they also performed well and they are in 4th place now, they have a big chance to go further, especially to be able to qualify directly to the round of 16. So they should have a high target now.
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Any changes are possible during the long holiday, all teams will prepare their teams to be better but sometimes there are unexpected things that cannot be avoided so that they affect the team's performance later.
For now no one can predict that but what is certain is that I am sure there will be many teams that will improve with all the changes that exist, especially in the January transfer market which will make a lot of difference for the teams that make purchases.
Whatever it is, what is certain is that the competition in the second half of the season will be much fiercer, we can see Bayern who do not have much pressure at the top of the standings at this time but that will not happen again in the second half of the season.
What happens during the international break is unpredictable but what is clear is that any club will try hard to train to prepare for the middle of the season where the competition will be even tighter and to prepare for the UCL match for the clubs participating in it, their time is running out so they have to focus on preparing for all of that, but of course there will be changes in the team to build each other's performance, what is clear is that I am really looking forward to what will happen after the international break.
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Why though? If your aim is to win the league you'll need to take points from your rivals too. Especially when they have a 4-point gap atm. Aiming for a draw feels like they don't have the confidence before the match even begins. I don't know what Alonso's or Leverkusen's goal this season is, but I'd be disappointed if they're just aiming for a top 4 and playing safe every now and then instead of trying to win a second Bundesliga trophy.

Exactly! Why would Xabi Alonso see his team weaker than them and play according to that? He would always play for 3 points that's for sure. Leverkusen are a different team from now on. Not a loser team in the Bundesliga.  Smiley

They have become a title contender thanks to Xabi Alonso's arrival. The previous season was extraordinary. It was so unreal that nobody should expect the exact same performance this season as well.

Maybe they first started this season badly but now they are back in solid shape being only 4 points away from the leader.  Wink  At this point they really had better beat Bayern Munich home next time. It would be a big step towards a back-to-back title.
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Leverkusen has able to return to the winning ways and it proven from their recent records that Leverkusen has 8 winning streak in all competitions and these records too makes them can being an the contender again for the title with Bayern Munich and i think one of the causes why Leverkusen performance is impressive because all of their players can in form again and one of Leverkusen players who has been showing fantastic performance is Patrik Schick that last week he has made quatrick

The absense of Victor Boniface makes Xabi Alonso have to played Patrik Schick as a striker and this strategy is really run well because Patrik Schick seems very suitable to played as the striker and Patrik Schick goals record also very fantastic because in the last 7 matches he has scores 10 goals with Leverkusen

It's surprising given how well Patrick Schick has performed in their previous games; I expected Boniface's absence to have an impact on their performance because he has been the team's main striker since last season, but Xabi Alonso is an experienced manager who used another player that can maintain the position and score a lot of goals. Patrick Schick has been amazing in their past games, scoring four goals in a single game against Freiburg. He currently has 9 goals in the Bundesliga and 13 goals in 20 matches across all competitions.

However, after Leverkusen has returned to winning ways, I do not think any other club can challenge Bayern Munich for the title apart from Leverkusen. Since losing the Champions League match against Liverpool, Leverkusen has yet to lose a game, winning 8 of their previous 10 games. Bayer Leverkusen is the only team close to Bayern Munich in the table; if Bayern Munich makes a mistake and loses a game, Leverkusen will take over them; honestly, I'd want to see Leverkusen win the title again this season.
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If I were Xabi Alonso, I will aim for a draw with Bayern Munic and then concentrate in winning other teams and avoiding drawing smaller teams as much as possible.
Why though? If your aim is to win the league you'll need to take points from your rivals too. Especially when they have a 4-point gap atm. Aiming for a draw feels like they don't have the confidence before the match even begins. I don't know what Alonso's or Leverkusen's goal this season is, but I'd be disappointed if they're just aiming for a top 4 and playing safe every now and then instead of trying to win a second Bundesliga trophy.
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Bayern Munich actually is yet to be completely sure they are the only contender for the title as Leverkusen was never going to back out, they never gave that notion that they were backing out, they only suffered some set backs which is such I considered normal and the absence of their top striker Victor Boniface was a disturbing factor, although they are yet to completely replace him, they have got a suitable person to hold on till he's back and for xabi, his tactics is gaining potency again and they are ready once again to contend and defend the trophy as much as possible.

Bayern Leverkusen were never out of the title race this season, at least they were not showing any sign of weakness that they are and may give up anytime soon. There performance is still very impressive and I don’t see reasons why Bayern Munich will even see themselves as the only contender for the league title this season when the competition is still very much opened and all teams have equal chances of making it to the final few games, which makes them eligible for the league title too. The situation of the league title race have changed in the Bundesliga, so it is necessary that all teams gets there form back and be more serious than they use to if they want to contend for the league title.
I have an assumption that if this season Leverkusen fails in the last 16 in the UCL, I am sure Leverkusen will focus on winning the Bundesliga title. And Bayern Munich who are more experienced will certainly focus more on the UCL. It is impossible for Munich to focus on 2 competitions even though they are very experienced but it is a very difficult task. So until we see who will fail between the two teams in the UCL, we cannot see who is guaranteed to win the Bundesliga title. I am sure, the UCL is one of the big influences for the team to be able to win the title domestically. Because the players' physical condition will not be able to continue to be strong in every match and in every competition.
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I will not put my money on Bayern Leverkusen beating Bayern Munic when they meet next because the present Bayern Munic is doing much better than Leverkusen. Besides, it will be a big slap on the face of Bayern Munic to be beaten home and away by Bayern Leverkusen, hence I don't see this happening this season again. If I were Xabi Alonso, I will aim for a draw with Bayern Munic and then concentrate in winning other teams and avoiding drawing smaller teams as much as possible. Nevertheless, it will be an interesting match that will likely decide how the league will end because if the gap between those two top teams widens, it makes winning the league easier for Bayern Munic.

Just because it will be a "big slap" in Bayern's face, that doesn't mean it cannot happen. Also, that Bayern's home loss to Leverkusen was a DFB Pokal game, not the league game, so it's possible that Kompany did not prioritise it the same as league games or the Champions League. Their last league clash was a 1-1 draw (in Munich).
So considering their head-to-head results, Leverkusen should be the favourite to win. But of course, current form is much more important than past stats, and there will be quite a few games to go before those two meet on 15th Feb, so we'll have a better picture closer to that date.
ps. it's "Bayer" Leverkusen, not "Bayern".
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Xabi has regained the rhythm that he lost at the start of the season which has made this improvement very noticeable even in the last few matches they have always been dominant especially in finishing which was difficult for them to do at the beginning of the season.

A winning streak in their last 8 games in all competitions including beating Bayern and Inter in the Champions League and DFB has seen their mentality slowly return to form for now.

In addition, now in addition to Boniface in attack who is still disturbed due to several injury problems now Xabi seems to have another reliable player where on the last few occasions Schick began to transform into a striker who is hungry for goals and this could be a good start because later there will be a lot of options that Xabi has in attack so that his performance continues to be consistent as it is today.
Yes it was looking awkward for the Bundesliga when all teams faced problems while Bayern didn't. But I think the 4 points gap between Leverkusen and Bayern bring back the fun now as there is one more game mid of February when Leverkusen has the chance in their home stadium to beat Bayern one more time. This presupposes that Leverkusen keeps winning until then as it would be disappointing if by then the Bundesliga is actually over and Bayern is leading by like 10 or more points. But now it looks great again for Leverkusen. Nice winning streak with lots of goals and they eliminated Bayern from the Cup, which means Alonso is on a great way to add one more trophy to his collection. 
I will not put my money on Bayern Leverkusen beating Bayern Munic when they meet next because the present Bayern Munic is doing much better than Leverkusen. Besides, it will be a big slap on the face of Bayern Munic to be beaten home and away by Bayern Leverkusen, hence I don't see this happening this season again. If I were Xabi Alonso, I will aim for a draw with Bayern Munic and then concentrate in winning other teams and avoiding drawing smaller teams as much as possible. Nevertheless, it will be an interesting match that will likely decide how the league will end because if the gap between those two top teams widens, it makes winning the league easier for Bayern Munic.
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Four points clear of the bundesliga table is not a comfortable position as they can drop points and reduce it further because Leverkusen are really on the Chase coming back from the Christmas break the league will be more competitive has it will be entering the second half of the league and teams will be more competitive and consistent as they look forward to make it to Europe and challenge for the league title one thing that am seeing in the bundesliga of recent is the completive nature of the league

You are right. We cannot call the 4 point gap a big gap. Bayern Munich is in a good position. The team has been at the top of the table since the beginning of the season. However, if they want to keep the top position of the table, Bayern Munich will have to continue the winning streak. Otherwise, Bayern Munich will not be able to keep the top position of the table. Because at the moment, Leverkusen is in a strong position.

Leverkusen has won their last 8 matches in a row. Among them, Leverkusen has been able to defeat the strong Bayern Munich team in the DFB Pokal match. From this, it can be assumed that Xabi Alonso's target this season is to win the Bundesliga title. If Bayern Munich makes any mistake and fails to maintain the winning streak, then Bayern Munich may lose the top position of the table.
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At the beginning of this season, we saw Leverkusen's inconsistent performance. We thought that Leverkusen might not be able to compete for the title this season. But gradually we can see Bayer Leverkusen's improvement. With the help of Xabi Alonso, Leverkusen is now quite strong. And now the team is competing for the title.

Bayern Munich is performing well this season. There is no doubt that Bayern Munich is the favorite to win the title. However, if they cannot perform well consistently, Bayern Munich will not be able to maintain the top spot in the points table. Bayern Munich is 4 points ahead of Leverkusen. This is not a big gap. So Bayern Munich will have to try to continue their good performance consistently.
This is true, and I think we should just consider that being shocked at what they did and not having the confidence to do it again. They were shocked that they went 50 games unbeaten. This caused them to have a little bit of a shocked at the start of the season but they are looking much better now.

Considering the momentum they are on and how they are winning right now, I have to say there is a chance that we could potentially see them actually win something again. Could they do better than Bayern Munich for the rest of the season? Well I believe that's a possibility without a doubt, I am not saying that it will happen, but that doesn't mean we are going to end up not having any chance neither, we can see Leverkusen have a chance.
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Before you compare both club, talking about Bayer Leverkusen and Juventus, the two clubs have the way the management handles issues that arises and again when Juventus defended their title they have better players who are eager to get the job done, not just players but older players who carries the club on their shoulder but the Leverkusen side have younger boys on it and some are good in playing but don't have the stamina and to deliver. So Bayer Leverkusen on the other hand tried to keep the winning streak and also trying to win the league too so they should forget about that winning streak and move on, that what they did and ever since then they haven't been performing very bad.
I think you just agreed with my point that they're relaxed this season and not playing like they got something and not really that they overworked themselves, and besides, they had enough time to rest before the season began, Older or younger players isn't a factor to back up them up. They won the trophy and had every opportunity and resources to have entered the transfer market and get themselves this kind of quality players you mentioned, secondly many players will be interested to moving to the club because they will player in the Champions League.

Franctoshi you think that Bayer Leverkusen is relaxed? Talking overworking is funny and this proves you have never been close to pros in any kind of sport. There is no overworking in 95% of the cases and if there was, they would still try to keep tension and play the best possible. Nobody leans back. Bayer Leverkusen beat Bayern in the national cup, they tied the game away from home against Bayern, they are 4th in the Champions League table where they beat Milan, Inter Milan, Salzburg and Feyenoord and scoring 12 goals. I read your post and thought that you could be talking about a club that you are confusing with Bayer Leverkusen maybe, are you sure you are talking about the team that is coached by Alonso, has lost one game this season and won the last five consecutive games?

Explain it to me, are you confusing clubs here or are you talking about Bayer Leverkusen and your opinion is that they are relaxed?
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The point gap that Bayern Munich has been able to create with their rivals in the Bundesliga so far is not enough to clinch the title for sure. Bayern Munich need to improve their performances and earn full points in every match so that they can overtake all other teams in terms of points. Until the end of the season, if the difference in points with other teams is 4/5 or three, it will be seen that Bayan Munich is losing the league while taking extra pressure. They have a good squad this season and the team is performing well in the Bundesliga so hopefully Bayern Munich don't make any mistakes that could hurt their chances of winning the title this season.
Until games week 15, Bayern Munich have four points remaining awhile from Bayern Leverkusen placed at second standings position and actually not comfortable position. Due Bundesliga match break until two weeks later have enough time for Bayern Munich keep improving their performance before having most busy schedule matches after qualifying to knock out round of UEFA Champion League. In this season, Bayern Munich have quit well performance because scoring 47 goals of 15 matches and become most productivities for Bundesliga teams than Leverkusen scored 37 goals.

However, four points left not secure yet for Bayern Munich defend their first standings position behind second half season will face Bayern Leverkusen as away match, have to win all matches left and Bayern must get many points gap from Leverkusen if want get easily become the Bundesliga winner season 2024/24.
Four points clear of the bundesliga table is not a comfortable position as they can drop points and reduce it further because Leverkusen are really on the Chase coming back from the Christmas break the league will be more competitive has it will be entering the second half of the league and teams will be more competitive and consistent as they look forward to make it to Europe and challenge for the league title one thing that am seeing in the bundesliga of recent is the completive nature of the league
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You are completely correct, they are in a better shap currently. I think when the season start they have not balanced well, which is why when the season began, they did not perform well and lost points, allowing Bayern Munich to get opportunities against them and even top the league table this season, and I do not believe they can top the league anymore; Bayern Munich has already overtaken them, and I am confident Bayern will not make any mistakes or lose any points, allowing Leverkusen to catch up to them. Xabi Alonso will merely aim to win the tiny cup and perform very well in the Champions League, but I don't think they can win the league since Harry has never won the league before, and they will do whatever necessary to fulfill his ambitions that he lost last season. this is the best time to win and achieve Is goal this time, Because this season Bayern Munich are more good in the league more then the Champions league let see how the competition will end and see who will get the trophy.

I think the reason for Leverkusen to drop form earlier this season is because they over work themselves as of last season and this season they perform poorly and could not even get close to the league leaders due to fatigue and  lack of player rotation, they needed to rest but this season came with a lot of work load. They manage to get everything in order to start up a better display that's why they are where they are and you should be worried about Bayern Munich because I believe they're still going to make that mistake you said they won't want to make. Leverkusen can try to catch up with Bayern Munich and the league is still open not to see Bayern Munich as the favorite to win it but we should consider other teams in the top 4 on the log as well, the Leverkusen have hope of changing the initiative.
I doubt if this is really enough reason for Bayern Leverkusen poor performance since the beginning of this season, fast-forward back into history after 2011/2012 that Juventus won the serie A title with unbeatable record, the next season being 2013, they also won the Italian searie A title and defended their trophy, so you can see why this is not enough reason to not do well this season ,I kind of think they're relaxed and aren't playing like they got some target this season.

Before you compare both club, talking about Bayer Leverkusen and Juventus, the two clubs have the way the management handles issues that arises and again when Juventus defended their title they have better players who are eager to get the job done, not just players but older players who carries the club on their shoulder but the Leverkusen side have younger boys on it and some are good in playing but don't have the stamina and to deliver. So Bayer Leverkusen on the other hand tried to keep the winning streak and also trying to win the league too so they should forget about that winning streak and move on, that what they did and ever since then they haven't been performing very bad.
I think you just agreed with my point that they're relaxed this season and not playing like they got something and not really that they overworked themselves, and besides, they had enough time to rest before the season began, Older or younger players isn't a factor to back up them up. They won the trophy and had every opportunity and resources to have entered the transfer market and get themselves this kind of quality players you mentioned, secondly many players will be interested to moving to the club because they will player in the Champions League.
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The point gap that Bayern Munich has been able to create with their rivals in the Bundesliga so far is not enough to clinch the title for sure. Bayern Munich need to improve their performances and earn full points in every match so that they can overtake all other teams in terms of points. Until the end of the season, if the difference in points with other teams is 4/5 or three, it will be seen that Bayan Munich is losing the league while taking extra pressure. They have a good squad this season and the team is performing well in the Bundesliga so hopefully Bayern Munich don't make any mistakes that could hurt their chances of winning the title this season.
Until games week 15, Bayern Munich have four points remaining awhile from Bayern Leverkusen placed at second standings position and actually not comfortable position. Due Bundesliga match break until two weeks later have enough time for Bayern Munich keep improving their performance before having most busy schedule matches after qualifying to knock out round of UEFA Champion League. In this season, Bayern Munich have quit well performance because scoring 47 goals of 15 matches and become most productivities for Bundesliga teams than Leverkusen scored 37 goals.

However, four points left not secure yet for Bayern Munich defend their first standings position behind second half season will face Bayern Leverkusen as away match, have to win all matches left and Bayern must get many points gap from Leverkusen if want get easily become the Bundesliga winner season 2024/24.
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Any changes are possible during the long holiday, all teams will prepare their teams to be better but sometimes there are unexpected things that cannot be avoided so that they affect the team's performance later.
For now no one can predict that but what is certain is that I am sure there will be many teams that will improve with all the changes that exist, especially in the January transfer market which will make a lot of difference for the teams that make purchases.
Whatever it is, what is certain is that the competition in the second half of the season will be much fiercer, we can see Bayern who do not have much pressure at the top of the standings at this time but that will not happen again in the second half of the season.
Bayern Munich itself may also be very aware of this to face the second half of the season so that Bayern Munich continues to try to create distance with its rivals in the Bundesliga since the first half. I also assume that in the second half of the season there will be many teams that will make changes even without buying more players through the transfer market in January, because much better tactics can also create changes within a team so that those who have been left behind by their opponents can have the opportunity to be in a better ranking.
The point gap that Bayern Munich has been able to create with their rivals in the Bundesliga so far is not enough to clinch the title for sure. Bayern Munich need to improve their performances and earn full points in every match so that they can overtake all other teams in terms of points. Until the end of the season, if the difference in points with other teams is 4/5 or three, it will be seen that Bayan Munich is losing the league while taking extra pressure. They have a good squad this season and the team is performing well in the Bundesliga so hopefully Bayern Munich don't make any mistakes that could hurt their chances of winning the title this season.
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Bayern Munich actually is yet to be completely sure they are the only contender for the title as Leverkusen was never going to back out, they never gave that notion that they were backing out, they only suffered some set backs which is such I considered normal and the absence of their top striker Victor Boniface was a disturbing factor, although they are yet to completely replace him, they have got a suitable person to hold on till he's back and for xabi, his tactics is gaining potency again and they are ready once again to contend and defend the trophy as much as possible.

Bayern Leverkusen were never out of the title race this season, at least they were not showing any sign of weakness that they are and may give up anytime soon. There performance is still very impressive and I don’t see reasons why Bayern Munich will even see themselves as the only contender for the league title this season when the competition is still very much opened and all teams have equal chances of making it to the final few games, which makes them eligible for the league title too. The situation of the league title race have changed in the Bundesliga, so it is necessary that all teams gets there form back and be more serious than they use to if they want to contend for the league title.
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Playing in the champions league can not be a reason why a team like Leverkusen who have done something big in the  league start struggling, no that's not a better reason. Fatigue have always been the reason for such problems and the Leverkusen manager can still be applauded for what he did and this season he's still among those clubs who are competing for the title, if it were some clubs they won't be among the title contenders and they would have gone below the table and also some players would have left the team to bigger clubs just because they went unstoppable the previous season.
I also think it is not right to say that playing in Champions League is why team like Leverkusen is having hard time. They did very well in league so that is not good excuse. Better reason is that players are tired. Even with that manager of Leverkusen did great job and it' is good to see that they are still trying to win title this season. Some other teams might have done much worse and even lost some of their best players to bigger teams. But Leverkusen is still doing well and that shows how strong team is and how good manager is at leading them.
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I think the reason for Leverkusen to drop form earlier this season is because they over work themselves as of last season and this season they perform poorly and could not even get close to the league leaders due to fatigue and  lack of player rotation, they needed to rest but this season came with a lot of work load. They manage to get everything in order to start up a better display that's why they are where they are and you should be worried about Bayern Munich because I believe they're still going to make that mistake you said they won't want to make. Leverkusen can try to catch up with Bayern Munich and the league is still open not to see Bayern Munich as the favorite to win it but we should consider other teams in the top 4 on the log as well, the Leverkusen have hope of changing the initiative.
If you pay attention to the strong reason Leverkusen experienced a decline in performance this season, Leverkusen is actually currently appearing in the UCL which gives stronger pressure than last season. We all know how the competition is in the UCL and surely Alonso also tried to prioritize the competition which ultimately resulted in his performance in the bundesliga not being too good.
So the decline in performance is not only about failed rotation but player fatigue is one of the causes.
However, I still appreciate Leverkusen who can appear consistently even though they have to fight in other competitions which is a new history for Leverkusen.

Playing in the champions league can not be a reason why a team like Leverkusen who have done something big in the  league start struggling, no that's not a better reason. Fatigue have always been the reason for such problems and the Leverkusen manager can still be applauded for what he did and this season he's still among those clubs who are competing for the title, if it were some clubs they won't be among the title contenders and they would have gone below the table and also some players would have left the team to bigger clubs just because they went unstoppable the previous season.
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