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The one thing i noticed:
Including fees, i have spent 0.001962 to make a 0.0015 BTC transaction.
Your exact value and fee calculator told me that a 0.0015 BTC deposit would result in a 0.00128 withdrawal.
When i combine the output values of the two transactions funding my withdrawal address, i get 0.0012795... I know, it's only 0.0000005 BTC (50 satoshi's) less than you promised, but since you already take quite a hefty fee, i think that you should make sure the calculated output value matches the actual output value....
The calculation error can occur only in case if small amounts are mixed and here we talk about one-hundred-thousandth parts. When bigger amounts are mixed, the calculation is correct and the amount displayed and received after mixing is the same. However, thank you for pointing it out. We will think if we can do anything here.

 On top of this, splitting the output into two unspent outputs increases the fee i'll have to use to spend both by about 0.0001 BTC compared to spending a single unspent output (at current feerate).
This means that, after spending 0.001962, i'll get the equivalent of 0.0011795 BTC in clean, spendable funds...
In this case we recommend to enter only one receiving address and the total amount split into 2 transactions will be sent to this address.

I know why you don't allow people to chose the output timeframe, nor the number of outputs, nor the size of the outputs, nor the exact fee... However, i like to feel in controll... Personally i'd like to have some kind of "expert - i know what i'm doing" menu that allowed to to chose the size and number of outputs, the feesize and the delay.
Very soon we are going to implement the option with which our customers will have more flexibility when it comes to choosing the size of outputs. Follow the news on our official thread https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/banned-mixer-premium-bitcoin-mixer-launched-in-2018-4966853

Ending on a (very) positive note: i traced the outputs funding my withdrawal addresses and ended up on a poloniex wallet for one of the outputs, and an unknown wallet holding ~80 BTC after  +1000 transactions... This means that your system is telling the truth and the funds are coming from a clean source.
This being said, it does look like you get a big unspent output from a "clean" source, and you keep re-using this unspent output to fund all mixing sessions...
It's like:

unspent output of 3 BTC from a clean source funding your address
unspent output of 3 BTC used to pay first client => 3 BTC in, 2.9 BTC to your change address, 0.1 BTC to your first client
unspent output of 2.9 BTC used to pay second client => 2.9 BTC in, 2.7 BTC to your change address, 0.2 BTC to your second client
unspent output of 2.7 BTC used to pay thirth client => 2.7 BTC in, 2.6 BTC to your change address, 0.1 BTC to your thirth client
unspent output of 2.6 BTC used to pay fourth client => 2.6 BTC in, 2.3 BTC to your change address, 0.3 BTC to your fourth client

The thing is: it will allow me to find other people that used your mixer, since i only have to follow the trace after my own mixing session. This is not a problem, as a matter of fact, it's pretty common to see this kind of behaviour amongst mixers, as a matter of fact, it's the same with chipmixer (if i initiate a mixing session and get my chips, i can now follow other people that used chipmixer).
In fact we replenish our funds with BTC received from cryptocurrency stock exchanges. We verify this money with our proprietary mechanism. When there are many orders for mixing [banned mixer] tries to choose wallets so that no change leaves on them. Sometimes the BTC on one wallet will be enough only to perform 2 or 3 mixing operations and after that the wallet will be empty to zero. After that the chain becomes  untraceable.
hero member
Activity: 2058
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Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
Advantages:
User interface: Easy and smooth
No registration: Even my grandma can use it if she wanna be anonymous  Smiley
Tor network friendly: Using VPN + Tor network will be bulletproof.
Time delay: Each transaction has a different timestamp on the blockchain.
Fee calculator: Fixed fees are better.


Disadvantages:
High fees: I know, anonymity has a cost but you can lose customers because of competition.
No option to recover the session: I took a screenshot due to lack of the restore button on mixing page for a case.
No way to change or edit output address: What if suddenly my deposit address expires on the exchange because of the transaction with low mining fees.
Minimum amount: You need to change the minimum mixing amount for low profile customers.
No extension: Again unconfirmed transactions can ruin my week if the miner's fee is lower than required.
legendary
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EDIT: after re-reading my post, i realise i sound a bit harsh... But the way i see it: you payed me a couple bucks to get a review you can actually use to improve your service... Sure i could have said: "everything looks find, your mixer is perfect", but if i did such a thing, you would have payed me to kiss your *ss Wink. Instead, i decided to give a review focussing on the things you NEED to fix, so that the couple bucks you spend on my review will allow you to improve your system... There are many positive points about your mixer, but since everybody can see those, i didn't feel a need to repeat them once again...

On friday, i received some test funds, but since i payed a suboptimal fee (slightly less than the recommanded fee), it took the transaction a while to confirm. Today (monday), i noticed i had received the mixed coins...

I have discussed my security concerns in a previous post, especially the MITM by using cloudflare's ssl certificates and the includes of google tracking codes worried me...
That being said, i found the testuse of your mixer pretty straightforeward, i could easily navigate your menu's and i was pleasantly supprised by getting a letter of guarantee signed by you (and not Jambler.io).

The one thing i noticed:
Including fees, i have spent 0.001962 to make a 0.0015 BTC transaction.
Your exact value and fee calculator told me that a 0.0015 BTC deposit would result in a 0.00128 withdrawal.
When i combine the output values of the two transactions funding my withdrawal address, i get 0.0012795... I know, it's only 0.0000005 BTC (50 satoshi's) less than you promised, but since you already take quite a hefty fee, i think that you should make sure the calculated output value matches the actual output value.... On top of this, splitting the output into two unspent outputs increases the fee i'll have to use to spend both by about 0.0001 BTC compared to spending a single unspent output (at current feerate).
This means that, after spending 0.001962, i'll get the equivalent of 0.0011795 BTC in clean, spendable funds... Thats ~40% less... Offcourse, the main reason for this fee is the fact that you use a percentage based AND fixed fee, and the mining fee is currently pretty high compared to a low input value (and i used 3 inputs for my deposit tx, to it was a tiny bit larger than a "default" tx)... I'm sure the fee is a lot less if you mix bigger values at a time the network fees are more reasonable... But still, ~40%...

I know why you don't allow people to chose the output timeframe, nor the number of outputs, nor the size of the outputs, nor the exact fee... However, i like to feel in controll... Personally i'd like to have some kind of "expert - i know what i'm doing" menu that allowed to to chose the size and number of outputs, the feesize and the delay.

Ending on a (very) positive note: i traced the outputs funding my withdrawal addresses and ended up on a poloniex wallet for one of the outputs, and an unknown wallet holding ~80 BTC after  +1000 transactions... This means that your system is telling the truth and the funds are coming from a clean source.
This being said, it does look like you get a big unspent output from a "clean" source, and you keep re-using this unspent output to fund all mixing sessions...
It's like:

unspent output of 3 BTC from a clean source funding your address
unspent output of 3 BTC used to pay first client => 3 BTC in, 2.9 BTC to your change address, 0.1 BTC to your first client
unspent output of 2.9 BTC used to pay second client => 2.9 BTC in, 2.7 BTC to your change address, 0.2 BTC to your second client
unspent output of 2.7 BTC used to pay thirth client => 2.7 BTC in, 2.6 BTC to your change address, 0.1 BTC to your thirth client
unspent output of 2.6 BTC used to pay fourth client => 2.6 BTC in, 2.3 BTC to your change address, 0.3 BTC to your fourth client

The thing is: it will allow me to find other people that used your mixer, since i only have to follow the trace after my own mixing session. This is not a problem, as a matter of fact, it's pretty common to see this kind of behaviour amongst mixers, as a matter of fact, it's the same with chipmixer (if i initiate a mixing session and get my chips, i can now follow other people that used chipmixer).

As for now, i will not use [banned mixer] untill the security flaws have been fixed and you think about the exact fee calculation, but all in all, i'm impressed Smiley

Good luck!
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Activity: 352
Merit: 100
Hi everybody,
We have not received any reviews for quite a long time. The time interval when a participant gets money from us and leaves their review is rather long in recent days. We kindly ask Bitbollo and Coupable write to us if they have any issues while mixing coins or if everything is ok, submit a review. These are conditions of our campaign for which you applied and agreed to its terms.
[banned mixer] team has not interrupted the campaign and we continue sending 0,0015 BTC to all participants.
Here is the list of those who will be the next:
Danslip
Thirdspace
PryptoMontreal
YIz
Apoorvlathey
Yazher
Asritajudin
rdbase
nelson4lov

You have not sent me any test funds. This is my btc address 122jbzKjw3w1CA1NpJEyqQofzA6vRJeBiF it has zero number of transaction.
hero member
Activity: 2338
Merit: 757
Top-tier crypto casino and sportsbook
Hi everybody,
We have not received any reviews for quite a long time. The time interval when a participant gets money from us and leaves their review is rather long in recent days. We kindly ask Bitbollo and Coupable write to us if they have any issues while mixing coins or if everything is ok, submit a review. These are conditions of our campaign for which you applied and agreed to its terms.
Sorry for the delay, i explained that i didn't notice that i received funds for test and you were absent for several days.
I Edited my prvious post, you can see my review. Thanks for this opportunity.

Danslip
Thirdspace
PryptoMontreal
YIz
Apoorvlathey
Yazher
Asritajudin
rdbase
nelson4lov
I don't see mocacaino in the list. I was waiting to read his review. Why you keep ignoring him?
full member
Activity: 157
Merit: 170
Premium Bitcoin Mixer
Hi everybody,
We have not received any reviews for quite a long time. The time interval when a participant gets money from us and leaves their review is rather long in recent days. We kindly ask Bitbollo and Coupable write to us if they have any issues while mixing coins or if everything is ok, submit a review. These are conditions of our campaign for which you applied and agreed to its terms.
[banned mixer] team has not interrupted the campaign and we continue sending 0,0015 BTC to all participants.
Here is the list of those who will be the next:
Danslip
Thirdspace
PryptoMontreal
YIz
Apoorvlathey
Yazher
Asritajudin
rdbase
nelson4lov
full member
Activity: 157
Merit: 170
Premium Bitcoin Mixer
So you should already have my address Wink
Sorry, there must be misunderstanding. We will send you BTC in the next 8 hours
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Activity: 157
Merit: 170
Premium Bitcoin Mixer
 - both of the two received txs were included in the same block. You have to make sure each transaction gets included in a different block.
It is not always the case that both transactions are included in the same block, moreover it is more an exception.  It can happen in case if your outcoming transaction does not get confirmation for a long time, and  [banned mixer] tries to perform mixing as fast as possible and the time interval between two transactions is quite short so that both of them are included in the same block. 
 - I couldn't download the lettre of guarantee. Clicked the download button many times but nothing happened.
Generally there is no such issues and the letter of guarantee is sent for sure.
 - there is no seesion ID.
   - it would be better if you provide the transactions ids.
We do not provide session ID or transactions IDs due to security reasons. In the nearest future we will release an update where it will be possible to receive notifications about every changes in transactions status via Telegram or Jabber.
 - let the customer decides whether he wants to receive a single transaction or more, especially if he is going to mix a small amount of BTC. In my case, when I click on one of the received transactions on my bitpay wallet I get this warning:
Quote
the transaction amount is to small compared to current network fees. Spending these funds will need a bitcoin network fee comparable to the funds itself.
Agree that it may be inconvenient, but we split the total amount for two transactions in order to make it more difficult to trace the history. That was the testing amount - 0,0015 BTC, and for sure it was small and caused some inconveniences.
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Activity: 352
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Here is my btc address to receive the test funds - 122jbzKjw3w1CA1NpJEyqQofzA6vRJeBiF
I shall give my review about your mixing services when I tried it.
Thank you
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Activity: 2338
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Sorry for delay, I just noticed now that I received BTC for test since two days.

I will edit this post once receiving mixed coins.

Edit:
I used the clearnet in a chrome navigator. I sent 0.00139 and receive 0.00117467 in two seperated transactions (0.0005/0.00067467) for one output address. The delay time is correct, up to 6 hours. The mixer works as it supposed to work and nothing special compared to other mixers.
What i like:
- Nice design.
- Friendly use.
- No complaints against it/No bad reviews.
- Potential of growth is unlimited by keep having a good reputation.
- PGP signature is the best letter of garantee.
- Fees are pretty great for such a good level of anonymity.
What i don't like:
- I don't find your LoGo in the website (if any), the picture of a real mixer in top homepage looks dumb.
- With MixTum i can't pay for fast deals so there should be an option to disable the delay time and start receiving mixed coins after the transaction of input gets some confirmations.
- There also should be an option to disable receiving mixed coins in seperated parts.
- User can't add more than two addresses to receive clean coins, and can't set his prefered delay time.
- Should i get worry if Jumler.io shut down? Do you have B plans to continue running the mixer without the empowerment from Jumbler?
hero member
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Hi I haven't received btc for this test on my address. There is any news about?
wait for your turn Smiley last posted review was made by BitBustah, so the next one should be #11 Coupable
I saw OP's last post was on 26th but yesterday OP started posting again... so it seems all good for now
at first I thought this campaign was discontinued due to recent news on another mixer being seized
lets just wait patiently for our turns Grin or you can try the free mix option Cool
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legendary
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~snip~
This is what we call technical review. Well done!

Strange, You did tell me that i would get the 20th spot:
This must be a misunderstanding.

In my opinion you deserve to get paid for this review your gave. The review you left worth more than the money. I hope they take this points very seriously and ensures the necessary changes. This will eventually gain more value for their business.
legendary
Activity: 3612
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Hello,
Recently you have written, but the list of participants was already full. However, we are very grateful to your comments regarding mentioned above features. In order you could try how the mixer works and evaluate its functionning we will send you the amount of BTC for testing. Please send us your address.  

Strange, You did tell me that i would get the 20th spot:

Edit: removed my post since all 20 slots are filled

Never mind, just realised you already have 20 testers... Sorry for bumping your thread, i'll remove this application as soon as the 24 hour lockdown period has ended
Hi, we will be glad if you join our campaign. In this case the last 20th slot will be yours Wink

I'd be happy to be the 20th reviewer Smiley
My address is: 1MocACiWLM8bYn8pCrYjy6uHq4U3CkxLaa

Great!You're in the list!

So you should already have my address Wink
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Activity: 157
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Premium Bitcoin Mixer
I like the design of your website, it's very simple just like bestmixer, however this one is out of the competition already.
However, I notice your rate is high, so the minimum fee is 4%? and if I will mix a big amount like 1 BTC so the minimum fee will be BTC0.04?

Kindly clarify before I proceed.
Hello, the commission fee varies from 4% up to 5% + network fee. Indeed, it's higher that the commission set by other mixers, but using [banned mixer] you receive money which comes from cryptocurrency stock exchanges and undergoes  scoring procedure. No money of dubious sources penetrates the system, thus 4-5% is the price you pay for quality service and anonymity.
If you send 1BTC you will need to pay the commission fee from 0,04 or 0,05 BTC. 
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Activity: 157
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Hi,

I haven't received the testing fee (yet), but i was a bit anxious, so i decided to analyse the site before actually using it. In order not to be influenced by previous posters, i decided not to read other reviews before making my own, as a result i might say things that have been said before.

All in all, i like the way it's designed, but i'd like to see several issues being fixed before i would even consider using the service for actual mixing:
  • You're using cloudflare's SSL certificates... That's a big no-no for me (cloudflare acts as a man in the middle)
  • You're importing scripts from google tag manager. This means google can log who's using your site
  • A lot of javascript is being used... I haven't tested your tor mirror, but i like to disable javascript when using my tor browser
  • 4 cookies are being set...
  • HSTS is not enabled
  • CSP header was not set
  • The referer policy was not set
  • X-Frame-Options header was not set
  • X-XSS-Protection header was not set
  • I see a _gat_UA-124028682-1 cookie... Google analytics? Really?

The issues on this list result in a companie (an US based one!!!) being able to see all unencrypted data that's being sent between your enduser and yourself, and a second company won't be able to see the actual data, but will still have access to all your customer's ip's, browser fingerprint, times, referrers, exit pages,...
Next to this, i'll need to enable javascript, so it'll be easyer to fingerprint my browser and there were no precautions for (amongst others) XSS.

Next to this, i personally think 4-5% fee is on the high side, and i see you're linking to the public key of Jambler.io, does this mean i'll get a letter of guarantee signed with Jambler.io's private key? This isn't a real problem, but me (a customer) would like to get a letter of guarantee signed by you ([banned mixer]), NOT by Jambler.io

The rest of the review will follow once my slot has come up and i received the testing fee Smiley

BTW: don't take this list the wrong way, there's a lot on the list, but nothing that can't be fixed... I'd rather see you succeed that fail, so i'd rather see you fix the issues and do a lot of businnes Smiley
Hello,
Recently you have written, but the list of participants was already full. However, we are very grateful to your comments regarding mentioned above features. In order you could try how the mixer works and evaluate its functionning we will send you the amount of BTC for testing. Please send us your address. 
legendary
Activity: 3612
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https://merel.mobi => buy facemasks with BTC/LTC
Hi,

I haven't received the testing fee (yet), but i was a bit anxious, so i decided to analyse the site before actually using it. In order not to be influenced by previous posters, i decided not to read other reviews before making my own, as a result i might say things that have been said before.

All in all, i like the way it's designed, but i'd like to see several issues being fixed before i would even consider using the service for actual mixing:
  • You're using cloudflare's SSL certificates... That's a big no-no for me (cloudflare acts as a man in the middle)
  • You're importing scripts from google tag manager. This means google can log who's using your site
  • A lot of javascript is being used... I haven't tested your tor mirror, but i like to disable javascript when using my tor browser
  • 4 cookies are being set...
  • HSTS is not enabled
  • CSP header was not set
  • The referer policy was not set
  • X-Frame-Options header was not set
  • X-XSS-Protection header was not set
  • I see a _gat_UA-124028682-1 cookie... Google analytics? Really?

The issues on this list result in a companie (an US based one!!!) being able to see all unencrypted data that's being sent between your enduser and yourself, and a second company won't be able to see the actual data, but will still have access to all your customer's ip's, browser fingerprint, times, referrers, exit pages,...
Next to this, i'll need to enable javascript, so it'll be easyer to fingerprint my browser and there were no precautions for (amongst others) XSS.

Next to this, i personally think 4-5% fee is on the high side, and i see you're linking to the public key of Jambler.io, does this mean i'll get a letter of guarantee signed with Jambler.io's private key? This isn't a real problem, but me (a customer) would like to get a letter of guarantee signed by you ([banned mixer]), NOT by Jambler.io

The rest of the review will follow once my slot has come up and i received the testing fee Smiley

BTW: don't take this list the wrong way, there's a lot on the list, but nothing that can't be fixed... I'd rather see you succeed that fail, so i'd rather see you fix the issues and do a lot of businnes Smiley
legendary
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I like the design of your website, it's very simple just like bestmixer, however this one is out of the competition already.
However, I notice your rate is high, so the minimum fee is 4%? and if I will mix a big amount like 1 BTC so the minimum fee will be BTC0.04?

Kindly clarify before I proceed.
full member
Activity: 157
Merit: 170
Premium Bitcoin Mixer
I've used a lot of mixers in the past and this one was one of the easiest to use.  Even a complete newbie could figure it out easily with how helpful and simple the main website is.  I am definitely satisfied with the results, after sending my coins to be mixed I received the clean coins very quickly on my requested address.  I was not able to find any link between the previous address and the new one which is exactly what you want with a mixer.


Suggestions:

Maybe add an option to put multiple addresses if you want your mixed coins on different addresses.

Perhaps lower the mixing fee a little to compete with other mixers
Thank you for your review. For now the only option available is one or two receiving addresses. This is quite enough to make transactions anonymous. As for the commission: indeed, it's higher in comparison with competitors, but this is the price for quality service when end users get only coins with good history.
hero member
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I'm interested to try your mixing services, too. Smiley
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