Topic: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin - page 6. (Read 3937 times)

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Therefore it means that the default coordinator cannot be changed and that also means anybody wanting to use Ginger Wallet must use the default Ginger Wallet coordinator and pay the 0.3% fee. I am not sure that is the way forward for your business because at the moment you probably need more customers to build your base before you ask/force them to use your coordinator.

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Dear Jolly, We appreciate the recognition. The changes mentioned in the previous post have been implemented in the new version.

Congratulations, it seems as though significant effort was applied in order for the new release of Ginger Wallet to be considered a very good update and upgrade from the previous version.

Does the new release facilitate the changing of the default coordinator? That will always be the main question/concern from users that are looking at this from the perspective of saving coinjoin fees.
 

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A reply to my post would have been helpful to those thinking about using Ginger Wallet instead of Wasabi Wallet. If you make it clear what the benefits are gained by users for paying that 0.3% fee than for example use Wasabi Wallet with a free coordinator, maybe you will start making an impression with those that are potentially contemplating which wallet to use. Hopefully you will answer the question in your next post.

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When you look at Wasabi Wallet along with their option of using any coordinator that the user wants to use (including free fees and free re-mixes) and compare that against Ginger Wallet with a default 0.3% charging coordinator, what are the main elements that you would advise and encourage users to choose Ginger Wallet over another?

What will a user gain by paying 0.3% fees via Ginger Wallet instead of using Wasabi Wallet and a different free/paid coordinator?

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Yes, even the free element is not 100% free but that is more down to the manner in which the change structure part of the coinjoin works. Before your post I did not know about any Kruw related podcast though I think there was some mention of an interview maybe in another thread but not sure will check it out. Having said that, it sounds as though it is the same as Ginger Wallet stated in an earlier response:

No, we would like to ask the users to use the Ginger Wallet instead of the Wasabi Wallet if they want to use the Ginger coordinator.

You seem to have the assumption that the two coordinator is totally compatible with both wallet clients, but that's not true.

Short history from the recent releases.
- With the release of Wasabi Wallet v2.0.8.1 (2024-06-08), the maximum coinjoin coordination fee was introduced.
The default was set that all non-free coordinators stopped to work, even if the current one was a non-free one. Also, unfortunately the users didn't understand the error messages and what needs to be done.
- With the release of Wasabi Wallet v2.1.0.0 (2024-07-10), the following changes applied:
The coordinator minimum input count must be at least 21. At that time the malicious coordinator ran with 1 or 2 minimum inputs; all other, but Kruw's coordinator ran with 20 minimum inputs.
All, but Kruw's coordinators instantly failed after a client update (free and non-free).
The maximum fee was set to 0.5% (this might hit the wasabist.io's random fee system, I don't remember). Note, that there was a plan to set it to 0.01%, that's literally generating dust.
Not mentioned downgrade: the fee exemption check was removed, so the Wasabi client asked LESS amount for their input even if they got exemption from the coordinator due to remix.
After this release all other fee based coordinator died as they weren't able to manage the changes on the coordinator side.
- With the release of Wasabi Wallet v2.2.0.0 (2024-09-19), our coordinator is effectively banned by the Wasabi client.

The Ginger coordinator worked with the Wasabi clients till now, because of constant code and setup updates.
On the other hand, you have to understand the Wasabi developers and their goal:

They have limited time to make the Wasabi project "truly" open source.
That means heavy simplification, removing the less used and not needed features (of course they won't advertise it in the release notes, but who would?).
They could have fix the remix issue, but there is no incentive to do so (as they won't get any money from it) and increases the complexity, instead they removed the whole fee concept.
For the same reason they removed the AML system, increases the complexity and it's not their risk to run the coordinator anymore (also there would be no fund to use it anyway due to the above line).

The execution wasn't necessarily nice, but their goal is quite understandable.
They were fair, and told their plan in advance (even if there were some timeline change from 6 months to 3.5 months), so we knew from the beginning that a fork is needed.

Thank you for your understanding.