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Is there any discussion over what they want the parts for?

Challenging debate, disturbing all around...all sides.


Beyond sick all around... 3 years + of undercover reporting. That is amazing.

Hmm.. Her gallery is now private. I wonder why... I was looking forward to buy that Tshirt she loves so much.


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Is there any discussion over what they want the parts for?

Challenging debate, disturbing all around...all sides.
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Disgraced Planned Parenthood Official Caught Selling Baby Body Parts Works For White House Staff…





Disgraced Planned Parenthood official Deborah Nucatola’s shocking personal work history is coming to light.

Records reveal that Nucatola was employed by a former White House staffer at the time that she was selling aborted baby fetus parts.

A staunch political advocate, Nucatola railed against the “right-wing” Bush administration. What’s more, she so enjoyed her work in the abortion industry that she touted a T-shirt celebrating a drug used in the practice.

Nucatola is currently employed at Sexual Health Innovations, founded by former Obama White House staffer Jessica Ladd. Senior Obama administration officials sit on the board of the abortion activist group, including Praveen Basaviah of the President’s Advisory Council on HIV/AIDS and Kyle Bernstein of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The IRS-approved 501(c)3 tech nonprofit is a major Obama administration contractor.


http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/17/disgraced-planned-parenthood-official-works-for-white-house-staff-her-right-wing-hatred-exposed/#ixzz3g7dRShP2




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"Planned Parenthood keeps insisting that the video is “heavily edited,” but the group released the entire 2-hour, 42-minute conversation nearly simultaneously. The transcript has been available almost as long"

That is the silliest thing. None of her conversation that is upsetting people is edited at all.


The full transcript is even available. It is not about justice or the law or the health of the mother. This is about selling baby body parts.

More undercover videos to come. I wonder if the DOJ will cease the video as "evidence" and lock them up forever... Nah. Impossible. But I am sure pp is thinking about their options to stop the bleeding. Their bleeding that is. Not the bleeding from the baby body parts they sale...

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From my point of view, and everything I've read recently. I strongly believe Obama knew, and/or could not care less. So I don't see them being punished right now. In the end they will be though...




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Isn't it illegal to sell organs (even at cost of obtaining them) from babies?

It is illegal to sell organs for profit. The gray area is reimbursement for cost of obtaining or transporting. If there is profiteering here, it is illegal. Given the video, I think there is sufficient reason to investigate so the question can be answered definitively.

Why should some organs cost more than others? Based on the video it sounds like pretty much the same amount of work, but certain organs are worth more? 30 to 100 dollars? One organ can cost 3 times what another one costs? Does it seem like it is 3 times as difficult?

They're not talking about the price of organs. You'd have to be pretty untethered to reality to think that you could purchase organs for 30-100 dollars.
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It's not clear yet they're breaking laws, but that's the point of the investigation.

However some of the things being posted since are flat out wrong.

They sell human organs to the highest bidder.

Do you have anything to substantiate that? Some people are trying to spin this as selling organs for profit "to the highest bidder," which would clearly be illegal. If this is happening, prosecution needs to follow. However, I doubt this is the case. I doubt the people who shot this undercover video even think this is the case.

If PP is providing organs to biotech companies or other research organizations at cost of obtaining them from otherwise legal abortions, an investigation needs to happen to make sure all applicable laws being followed, but that's quite not the picture some are trying to spin this into with inaccurate and unsubstantiated rhetoric like the kind posted above.

Isn't it illegal to sell organs (even at cost of obtaining them) from babies?

They say fetuses are not really humans yet, but they're selling them as human parts? Don't you think it should be illegal if the patient has NO IDEA what's going on?

We have to check mark that we are donors on our licenses or else they cannot use them, isn't it even more important that a women should have to agree to have their babies organs used before she's dead? You know those organs are part hers, they were IN her.

^^Context^^

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Isn't it illegal to sell organs (even at cost of obtaining them) from babies?

It is illegal to sell organs for profit. The gray area is reimbursement for cost of obtaining or transporting. If there is profiteering here, it is illegal. Given the video, I think there is sufficient reason to investigate so the question can be answered definitively.

They say fetuses are not really humans yet, but they're selling them as human parts? Don't you think it should be illegal if the patient has NO IDEA what's going on? We have to check mark that we are donors on our licenses or else they cannot use them, isn't it even more important that a women should have to agree to have their babies organs used before she's dead? You know those organs are part hers, they were IN her.

PP says all donations are made with full consent of the mother. This is an obviously easy thing to verify, since there will be paper records indicating consent was given. So at this time, there is no reason to believe "the patient has NO IDEA what's going on."




Was PP explicit about the selling of baby parts or was the explanation buried under legalese? In any case if this whole scandal goes nowhere and the DOJ does not take the case then it will be a legal precedent to sell baby parts on the market, no matter what pp calls it.




That's not how legal precedents work, and the belief that this will translate into a 'baby parts market' is rooted in hysteria, not reality.
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Planned Parenthood apologizes for exec's 'tone' in video






The president of Planned Parenthood on Thursday apologized for the “tone and statements” of its chief medical officer, whose candid comments about fetal organ removal have generated heavy attacks against the organization.

“Our top priority is the passionate care that we provide. In our video, one of our staff members speaks in a way that does not reflect that compassion,” president Cecile Richards said in a video statement released Thursday afternoon.

“This is unacceptable, and I personally apologize for the staff member’s tone and statements,” she said.

Dr. Deborah Nucatola, senior director of medical services, was filmed discussing the demand for fetal organs such as livers, lungs and “intact” hearts. The video has racked up more than 1.5 million views since it was released Tuesday.

Nucatola has since been "reprimanded," vice president of communications Eric Ferrero wrote in a statement to The Hill, though the organization declined to provide specifics.

The secretly recorded video, which depicts Nucatola sipping wine over lunch, was created by anti-abortion advocates who posed as buyers from a medical research company.

Since its release, two congressional committees and multiple states have launched investigations into the organization’s fetal tissue donation process.

Planned Parenthood has released more than a dozen pages of counterattacks against what they called a “smear video” filmed by abortion opponents who want to permanently ban the procedure.

In the video, Richards also doubles down on her defense of fetal tissue donation — which she said contributes to “life-saving research.” She said the donations are only done with the woman’s consent and never for profit.

“I want to be really clear. The allegation that Planned Parenthood profits in any way from tissue donation is not true,” Richards adds.


http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/248204-planned-parenthood-president-apologizes-for-staffers-tone-in-video


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From the comment section:

I'm a bit confused. If they don't do this, and don't sell the stuff, why did the good doctor agree to meet with folks posing as buyers looking for organs?


Hmm... Why indeed...Huh


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This interested me so I decided to look a tad bit deeper into the issue and as it turns out it is fake (or is said to be) what is your reaction to this article?
http://www.salon.com/2015/07/16/what_the_planned_parenthood_hoax_really_proves_right_wing_extremists_have_no_qualms_about_destroying_peoples_lives/


The author of the video said more videos are coming. It was an almost 3 year deep undercover infiltration. Salon.com is a pro pp and pro abortion lef twing website. It is logical they would say it is propaganda. I have posted pp's response citing ONLY left wing pro abortion "media" saying it is a fake scandal a couple of posts earlier (the big pinkish image).

If you are courageous enough you can go through the 2+ hrs of the unedited video and you make up mind yourself. Not from me. Not from salon.com

Deal?

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This interested me so I decided to look a tad bit deeper into the issue and as it turns out it is fake (or is said to be) what is your reaction to this article?
http://www.salon.com/2015/07/16/what_the_planned_parenthood_hoax_really_proves_right_wing_extremists_have_no_qualms_about_destroying_peoples_lives/
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The crazier part that I saw was that they were selling these body parts on the clear net. But yeah, this is absolutely sick.


People are and will defend this sickness as "progress". That tells you all you need to know about them too.


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The crazier part that I saw was that they were selling these body parts on the clear net. But yeah, this is absolutely sick.

Edit: after a bit of research it seems to be that this whole thing was just propoganda http://www.salon.com/2015/07/16/what_the_planned_parenthood_hoax_really_proves_right_wing_extremists_have_no_qualms_about_destroying_peoples_lives/
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"Planned Parenthood keeps insisting that the video is “heavily edited,” but the group released the entire 2-hour, 42-minute conversation nearly simultaneously. The transcript has been available almost as long"

That is the silliest thing. None of her conversation that is upsetting people is edited at all.


The full transcript is even available. It is not about justice or the law or the health of the mother. This is about selling baby body parts.

More undercover videos to come. I wonder if the DOJ will cease the video as "evidence" and lock them up forever... Nah. Impossible. But I am sure pp is thinking about their options to stop the bleeding. Their bleeding that is. Not the bleeding from the baby body parts they sale...

 Sad


From my point of view, and everything I've read recently. I strongly believe Obama knew, and/or could not care less. So I don't see them being punished right now. In the end they will be though...




In the Age of Obama, Some Lives Matter More than Others



Left-wing Democrats do not respect life. Whether one of them is nonchalantly talking about “crushing” the life from another human being over wine, or completely ignoring the crushed life of someone killed by an illegal immigrant, those lives can be easily written off if they are deemed inconvenient.

Barack Obama is easily the most anti-life president we have ever had, as his enthusiasm for abortion and lack of interest in the deaths of Americans like Kate Steinle reveal. He has yet to weigh in on the sickening undercover video of a Planned Parenthood director cheerfully discussing the harvesting and selling of aborted baby parts — and he likely won’t. Abortion is one of this president’s pet issues and his media toadies will voluntarily help mitigate any damage the video does to their cause either by ignoring it or by attempting to discredit it. He has also been deafeningly silent on the death of Steinle at the hands of an illegal immigrant in a sanctuary city.

Left-wing activists like to repeat the slogan “Black Lives Matter” and they get angry when you correct them by saying, “No — ALL Lives Matter.”

Because clearly —  to the left – some lives do not matter:

The over 58,000,000 unborn lives that have been aborted in the United States since Roe v. Wade became law.

The 121+ Americans who were murdered by illegal-immigrant criminals the Obama administration set free between 2010 and 2014.

The hundreds of thousands of victims of black-on-white violence per year.

The hundreds of thousands of victims of black-on-black violence per year.

The thousands of American service members who have been killed overseas since Barack Obama became president.


http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/07/15/in-the-age-of-obama-some-lives-matter-more-than-others/



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"Planned Parenthood keeps insisting that the video is “heavily edited,” but the group released the entire 2-hour, 42-minute conversation nearly simultaneously. The transcript has been available almost as long"

That is the silliest thing. None of her conversation that is upsetting people is edited at all.


The full transcript is even available. It is not about justice or the law or the health of the mother. This is about selling baby body parts.

More undercover videos to come. I wonder if the DOJ will cease the video as "evidence" and lock them up forever... Nah. Impossible. But I am sure pp is thinking about their options to stop the bleeding. Their bleeding that is. Not the bleeding from the baby body parts they sale...

 Sad


From my point of view, and everything I've read recently. I strongly believe Obama knew, and/or could not care less. So I don't see them being punished right now. In the end they will be though...
legendary
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"Planned Parenthood keeps insisting that the video is “heavily edited,” but the group released the entire 2-hour, 42-minute conversation nearly simultaneously. The transcript has been available almost as long"

That is the silliest thing. None of her conversation that is upsetting people is edited at all.


The full transcript is even available. It is not about justice or the law or the health of the mother. This is about selling baby body parts.

More undercover videos to come. I wonder if the DOJ will cease the video as "evidence" and lock them up forever... Nah. Impossible. But I am sure pp is thinking about their options to stop the bleeding. Their bleeding that is. Not the bleeding from the baby body parts they sale...


 Sad


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"Planned Parenthood keeps insisting that the video is “heavily edited,” but the group released the entire 2-hour, 42-minute conversation nearly simultaneously. The transcript has been available almost as long"

That is the silliest thing. None of her conversation that is upsetting people is edited at all.
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CBS: More undercover Planned Parenthood videos on the way






When the group Center for Medical Progress released the now-infamous lunchtime conversation with Planned Parenthood’s senior medical adviser, some wondered why the group waited a year to publish the video. CBS News picked up the story this morning, with Jan Crawford giving an unsurprisingly fair report on the nearly three-year probe. There is more coming, Crawford reports — much more:

Planned Parenthood blasted the “heavily edited video” as the work of “extreme anti-abortion activists.”
David Daleiden is founder of the group that took the video.
“I think these are really horrific and troubling actions for 99 percent of Americans,” Daleiden said.
“Planned Parenthood is still receiving $50, $75, sometimes $100 per specimen per fetal part. So all of that is just straight up profit that goes to their bottom line,” Daleiden added.
Even if it’s done legally, medical ethicists question whether Planned Parenthood should be in the business of providing fetal tissue.
“You’ve got to be sure that it’s the patient, the woman who is at the center of your concern and nothing else is diverting from that,” Dr. Arthur Caplan of NYU’s Langone Medical Center said. “Supplying fetal tissue from the remains to third parties is diverting. I would not do it.”



Planned Parenthood keeps insisting that the video is “heavily edited,” but the group released the entire 2-hour, 42-minute conversation nearly simultaneously. The transcript has been available almost as long. Other media outlets keep repeating this claim not as quotes from Planned Parenthood but as factual statements in their own reports. That includes this nonsense from The Daily Beast’s Samantha Allen, who profiles David Daleiden as an “extremist” who has copied Live Action’s pattern of using “heavily edited videos”:

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http://hotair.com/archives/2015/07/16/cbs-more-undercover-planned-parenthood-videos-on-the-way/


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Roby Responds to Planned Parenthood Official's Horrifying Admission


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQxXkK8VTfc


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Not everyone who says "God bless Planned Parenthood" is sincere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUiB-2n2vPM


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All you can do is pray for them all. Forgive it and move on. What's done is done.

Luke 6:28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.
Unless you are a US tax payer and your $$ is buying the tools needed to cut little feet off for profit... Which is illegal.

What would you have them do? Class action lawsuit? That may happen, but I wouldn't sit around feeding the anger at them. The nation seems to be getting ready to erupt, people need to calm down.


The nation's eruption may be the will of its shepherd. Laws do not erupt. They need to be obeyed. Or changed. If it is legal to sale baby parts for profit, then make it legal. If a nation erupts it is because most people go to jail for petty crimes while gigantic butchery goes unpunished or forgiven by the very people who are supposed to uphold the law.


To bring more light on a problem is a divine thing. Darkness is not.


Yes, I'm sure the day of reckoning will come to the states. I am thrilled that light is showing these things, but the powers that be are still in charge for now, I believe they're well aware it was happening all along, so they don't care. They may have to act like they care, but I don't think they do.


Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil

Spread the news of this thread around like-minded friends and family members. You are still free to bring that light, not to be afraid of data publicly debated and available aren't you? Don't wait for the power that be to give you an authorization...

Simply talk about it. Share it. I do my part, even if just 12 people read my thread.

Yeah, I'm not afraid. I've talked about it. What will be will be at this point.
legendary
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All you can do is pray for them all. Forgive it and move on. What's done is done.

Luke 6:28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.
Unless you are a US tax payer and your $$ is buying the tools needed to cut little feet off for profit... Which is illegal.

What would you have them do? Class action lawsuit? That may happen, but I wouldn't sit around feeding the anger at them. The nation seems to be getting ready to erupt, people need to calm down.


The nation's eruption may be the will of its shepherd. Laws do not erupt. They need to be obeyed. Or changed. If it is legal to sale baby parts for profit, then make it legal. If a nation erupts it is because most people go to jail for petty crimes while gigantic butchery goes unpunished or forgiven by the very people who are supposed to uphold the law.


To bring more light on a problem is a divine thing. Darkness is not.


Yes, I'm sure the day of reckoning will come to the states. I am thrilled that light is showing these things, but the powers that be are still in charge for now, I believe they're well aware it was happening all along, so they don't care. They may have to act like they care, but I don't think they do.


Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil

Spread the news of this thread around like-minded friends and family members. You are still free to bring that light, not to be afraid of data publicly debated and available aren't you? Don't wait for the power that be to give you an authorization...

Simply talk about it. Share it. I do my part, even if just 12 people read my thread.


 
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All you can do is pray for them all. Forgive it and move on. What's done is done.

Luke 6:28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.
Unless you are a US tax payer and your $$ is buying the tools needed to cut little feet off for profit... Which is illegal.

What would you have them do? Class action lawsuit? That may happen, but I wouldn't sit around feeding the anger at them. The nation seems to be getting ready to erupt, people need to calm down.


The nation's eruption may be the will of its shepherd. Laws do not erupt. They need to be obeyed. Or changed. If it is legal to sale baby parts for profit, then make it legal. If a nation erupts it is because most people go to jail for petty crimes while gigantic butchery goes unpunished or forgiven by the very people who are supposed to uphold the law.


To bring more light on a problem is a divine thing. Darkness is not.


Yes, I'm sure the day of reckoning will come to the states. I am thrilled that light is showing these things, but the powers that be are still in charge for now, I believe they're well aware it was happening all along, so they don't care. They may have to act like they care, but I don't think they do.
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