Topic: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression (Read 1431 times)

Can you tell me - did you deliberately “forget” the causal link in the examples you gave?
“Conflict in Ukraine, where you can hide, because there is a lot of territory there” is a TERRORIST attack of Russia on Ukraine, in violation of all Russian laws and obligations.

“The conflict in Palestine” is a consequence of what? That's right - Hamas' TERRORIST attack on Israel, and the continuing regular massive shelling of Israel, where there is “little room and no place to hide”. by Hamas and its collaborators in neighboring countries.
You talk about stopping wars, but for some reason you don't talk about not starting them, you talk about punishing the instigators of them....

The battle for Crimea was very quick to be fair, and because of this Russia ended up thinking they could probably do the same thing, because it felt like we were talking about similar situation here, didn't feel like two land masses would mean so much to Ukraine when the occupants were mostly Russian speaking people as well. To be fair, this war right now is more symbolic than what they really want, because neither Russia nor Ukraine would gain absolutely anything by keeping those small lands, they worth absolutely nothing. This is more about "you can't take my land!" by Ukraine and "yeap I can" by Russia.

Hence, we are going to see this going for more and the economy of both nations will suffer for a lot more longer time as well. That doesn't mean we are going to see situations change just yet, of course there will be a lot more difficult parties, and because of this we are going to face some good changes one way or another, seems like a bigger deal than what we have seen so far.

Putin's Russia, attacking Ukraine, was not prepared for such a long war, and therefore is forced to sharply reduce spending on all social spheres, while simultaneously increasing spending on waging this war. Experts have long calculated that one day of war with Ukraine costs Russia 300 million dollars. This is despite the fact that, compared to European countries, people in Russia continue to live very poorly. But the Kremlin decided to spend huge amounts of money from the budget on the mutual destruction of the economies of Russia and Ukraine.

In the draft budget of Russia for 2025, about a third of all expenses, or 6.3% of GDP, are allocated for military needs - the highest level since the Cold War. For the first time, the share of defense spending will be twice as much as social spending.
Inflation in Russia is already more than twice the central bank's target, and the key interest rate is 21%, which is the highest rate since the first years of Putin's rule.

https://www.rbc.ua/ukr/news/moskvi-dovedetsya-pidvishchiti-podatki-shchob-1730367606.html

War will kill the economic sector and war will also have a big impact on the course of a country because it has to rebuild after the war takes place. All sectors will have a more severe impact when war occurs and the effects can be felt much greater by society in particular. No one expects war to happen and it's best that it doesn't happen in any country because we don't want to have an impact on global economic access which makes things worse.

War harms many parties and we should be able to live side by side without having the ambition to dominate in an inappropriate way. Although war often occurs due to power struggles, natural outcomes, politics, global economic power and so on. We hope that in this day and age this will no longer happen so that every human being can live at a much better standard.

It seems that you also place responsibility for Russia’s war against Ukraine on the Ukrainian government, which is showing “stubbornness” in this war and thus allegedly cannot restore normal life in the country. It seems that you do not understand the essence of what is happening in Ukraine. Ukrainians are now defending themselves from the most brutal military aggression from Russia since World War II and they have no other choice than to defend their freedom and independence to the end. Otherwise there will be neither Ukraine nor Ukrainians. But for Russia and the Russians, the war can end any day when they withdraw their occupation forces from Ukraine.

War is of course very detrimental to civil society. Crisis in food, drink, and crisis in health. If we look at the war in Ukraine, there are still places left for civilians to take refuge because it has a large territory. However, if we look at the war in Palestine, it is truly sad, there is no safe place for civilians. Even refugee camps were targeted by the Zionists. This is something bad happening in Palestine, and we don't want it to happen in other regions. Because no matter what the conditions of war, the victims are civilians. Of course, the impact of war can cause crises in neighboring countries. Apart from that, stopping the supply of food and fuel can cause an economic crisis. This is because the prices of all basic commodities in the country are high.

Every war certainly has a goal, for example capturing a region, and that region usually has economic potential, or at least provides future benefits for the war capital spent, so I think this has been taken into account from the start. so that if the goal is achieved then the economic potential for the perpetrators can increase, even though it sacrifices many civilians, and civilians who are victims suffer the most because of the government's ambitions

Norms governing the civilized rules of warfare exist. This is the UN Charter. But in Russia’s war against Ukraine, it is not observed by the current permanent UN security member, the Russian Federation. Conducting wars of conquest with the aim of arbitrarily changing the internationally recognized borders of states is prohibited by the UN Charter. Russia also ignores absolutely all the rules of warfare, including not allowing representatives of international bodies to enter the territory of Ukraine it occupies, as well as to prisoners captured by Russia.

In addition, the Russian Federation is generally illegal in the UN and illegally occupies the place of its member, since no one has ever accepted the Russian Federation into the UN organization. There was no such decision and there is no such solution. After the collapse of the USSR, the representative of the Russian Federation simply informed at a UN meeting that instead of the USSR, the Russian Federation would now be in the UN. However, the Russian Federation did not have any authority to do this from the former republics of the USSR and the UN did not make any decisions on this matter.

After the full-scale military invasion of the Russian Federation in Ukraine, Ukraine raised the issue of the illegality of the Russian Federation’s presence in the UN, but the relevant UN officials do not want to discuss this issue, and any decisions regarding violation of the rules of war by the Russian Federation are vetoed by the Russian Federation itself as a permanent member of the UN Security Council.

Let me remind you that in order to end this war any day soon, Russia only needs to withdraw its troops from the illegally occupied territories of Ukraine.

When it comes to conflict, the first concern should be to keep people safe, because war has cost many people their lives and possessions. And how do you expect them to survive after the war when the government doesn't seem to care? I still wonder what they gain throughout the conflict because what people go through is inexplicable. So it is better to avoid conflict than to create one. We know that a lot of life's have been lost in the past years just because of war. And did anything change no nothing changed. It even got worse because any little thing that they can seat and discuss they will rather want to go to war.

People suffer from the trauma of bombings and other wartime events afterward. People become increasingly irritated when they see dead bodies on the road. Because they will be looking for justifications to justify the government's decision to wage war. I believe there should be regulations before anyone goes to war. And Russia and Ukraine both countries are stubborn and till today they have not been able to restore normalcy to those countries. What war does to the economy is worse also because they will have to set teams to safe people feeding and other sectors and all requires money.

In my opinion, war does not necessarily destroy economic progress. War can have a far-reaching impact on the economy. However, the problem varies depending on various factors such as the length of the war, the type of conflict faced, and the actions taken by the parties involved in the war. War could also result in an increase in global oil prices, reducing consumer appeal and prompting an economic recession. Apart from that, the huge costs of war also have a negative impact on the economies of the countries involved in the war. However, there are also situations in which war can provide a profitable boost through increased production of ammunition and weapons, labor mobilization, and post-war recovery as well as impacting demand price increases that can benefit people who have investments in valuable goods or means. held for trading and purchasing. therefore, the impact of war on economic progress can be very complex and context-dependent.

Both the nations will get out of this with a lot of pain. If nothing else, both sides lost lives and while the "nations" will recover, because in 10-20-30 year time nobody would remember the political sanctions or deals that happened or anything, but the people who lost the loved ones will remember it, the mothers who lost a child will remember it, the wives that lost their husbands will remember it, the children that lost parents will remember it.

This is not just for one side, it's true for both sides and I think that is why both economy, infrastructure, and everything else will be remembered but the reality is that we are going to end up with something totally different for the individual when you think about it for sure.

The war that Russia imposed on Ukraine will certainly have a very bad impact on the integrity of its economy and civil infrastructure. The population will drop greatly not only because of those killed in this war, but also because of the large number of people who migrated to other countries, some of whom will remain there forever. Many cities and other settlements were destroyed to the ground.
But among this sheer negativity there are also some positive aspects. Strong support from other countries is expected for the restoration of Ukraine, and high-rise buildings will be built taking into account new technologies and their placement will be different, taking into account changing needs. Ukraine will move from large energy generation facilities to a network of smaller ones; they will already have a much lower percentage of the use of coal and gas as energy sources. Support for the introduction of alternative energy sources, including by citizens in their private homes, will be much more powerful.
The current Russian aggression has revealed many vulnerabilities against missile and bomb attacks, and this will be taken into account in further planning for industrial development. Some of the production, especially for military purposes, will be underground.

I won’t predict what will happen to Russia. I hope it will become the same as today's North Korea for the next few generations.

Do you want to say that Russia’s war on the territory of Ukraine is a war on the outskirts of Europe? Actually, in the Ukrainian Carpathians there is a sign that says that this is the geographical center of Europe.

Yes, Putin wanted to go down in history as the great collector of the lands of the former USSR and the creation on their basis of something similar to a new empire. But all his plans were disrupted by Ukraine, which offered strong resistance to Russian aggression. The bloodiest large-scale war since World War II is already in its third year. Putin has already been prepared for the role of the second bloodthirsty Hitler, who will be cursed not only in Europe and other civilized countries, but also over time in Russia itself, which he brought with his war to economic collapse and impoverishment, and possibly to its collapse.

War, at least in the modern era, is often being waged by sad old men who want to cling on to power - but maybe that has always been the case. Looking at Russia, Putin is trying to build his legacy right now as Russia has not progressed at all since he took power so many decades ago. However he will not succeed and has hobbled it further in his final years. It does have the most damaging effect on the direct warring parties, but as we see with this war on the edge of Europe - many things spiked in price near the start and supply chains were heavily disrupted, which caused prices to go up all over the world. The richest countries are affected for sure, but the poorest countries around the world often suffer even worse. The sooner these unnecessary wars end the better for all of us.

That will depend though, if your country is the one that's been directly affected by the war or the epicenter of a war then you're definitely going to see an alteration in your economy as resources are being diverted to the parts of the economy that will help in support of the war, natural resources mostly will be the most affected as need for oil, metals, and land is a big deal in a war, it's a really scary time to be in it but if you're like the country of USA where you're far from the ravages of war, your economy that manufactures weapons is definitely going to be benefiting a lot in those events, the money you'll be getting out of the countries that will buying weapons from you and the money that will trickle in and the R&D of your weapons will be getting to the highest numbers, it's definitely a two side of the coin situation, you either are on the economy that's struggling or getting all the prosperity out of this war.

For Putin’s Russia, the war they started with Ukraine has now reached the scale of a struggle for its own survival. They initially hoped for a quick military operation within a few weeks, but in practice, Ukraine put up unexpectedly tough resistance and ruined all the Kremlin’s plans. Stopping aggression for Putin and his regime means the collapse of this regime and practically physical death for Putin himself. They cannot agree to this and we actually see a further escalation of hostilities.

On the other hand, for Ukraine it is also a struggle for its existence, because Russia wants to destroy Ukraine as a state and Ukrainians as a nation. Any attempts to freeze the conflict or establish an interim peace just to stop the war will lead to larger losses as Russia replaces its significant losses in manpower and equipment and begins a new phase of hostilities. Therefore, only victory of one of the parties is possible here. At the same time, a Russian victory will mean the beginning of an offensive by authoritarian states against weaker states around the world, because international agreements and laws will no longer be valid, and terror will begin throughout the world.

The Russians themselves could stop the war by overthrowing their aggressive government led by Putin. But over the two-year period of military operations against Ukraine, about 70 percent of the population consistently supports this war of aggression. Therefore, the only way out of this situation is the complete military and economic defeat of the Russian aggressor; there are no other options for establishing lasting peace in this region.

War worsens life for average people, sometimes for rich people too but I think that nothing changes for elites and to my mind, war makes them even richer. Just think about what happens in Russia-Ukraine war, the USA send aids to Ukraine but somehow they can't find the traces of billions of dollars, they are lost. How is that possible? My answer is that someone got richer and that's why billions got somehow missed.
Now let's talk about the economic decline. Yes, it declines when big countries have a war because workforce is in war instead of in their daily jobs, the land becomes damaged via rocket and other attacks, it's getting harder, expensive and riskier for locals to live, to work, to farm. And on top of that when your countries (EU and the USA) spend billions of dollars as an aid, for sure there will be an economic problems and high inflation.

Yeah, the effects are global even if there is only two countries who are fighting for each other. One cause would be is the sanctioning of one country involved in the war. It's funny or contradictory when they say that war gives/restores peace when in fact it can also cause more disturbances.

War affects progress but those who will go back to zero are only the countries who are totally destroyed. If the war is so severe, then yeah it will leave a deep trace but it makes us feel proud too once we stand up again. It makes us to feel stronger than ever, though It is still better if there will be no wars because not all are strong enough to withstand it.

I remember when the Russian and Ukrainian conflict first broke out, the prices of gas rose exponentially. We all know that if a country is a primary source of a specific commodity and they go into a war, other countries might not get the appropriate amount of commodities then the prices of those goods in other countries will increase which basically lead to other goods increasing.

Wars would play out domino effects that is why UN should do their best to stop or better yet prevent these wars from breaking out. A war in today’s time is much more destructive considering how connected everyone is now due to globalization.

You are right. Truly, no one wins a war. Even though agreements may be reached and fair conditions given after the war, it will take years to rebuild the economies of these affected countries into its old state and even better.  It is worrisome knowing that public funds which would have been useful in financing capital projects that would have brought about developments and better standards of living for the people, is being used to finance war. Economic restructuring in both countries will take years to achieve, social and political lives will be affected, and the citizens will have to endure for years till the countries are able to recover all that have been lost to some extent. War indeed alters Economic progression, therefore if any country should choose war over a peaceful settlement,  then they should be prepared to deal with life after the war.