Topic: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression - page 3. (Read 1432 times)

Praying that there will be no war is clearly not enough now, when the Russian invaders on the territory of Ukraine, retreating, blow up and destroy everything they can after themselves. At the same time, man-made and environmental disasters are easily created.

So, on the night of June 6, Russian invaders blew up the dam of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station, as a result of which dozens of settlements in southern Ukraine were flooded, and the Kakhovka reservoir located above turns into a narrow river. At the same time, the south of Ukraine and the Crimean peninsula remain without fresh water for a long time, and the land without irrigation. Back in October, Ukraine stated at the UN that the occupiers were mining the Kakhovka HPP, but there was no reaction. I don’t even remember that they tried to pray for Ukraine and the planet as a whole. Even after the catastrophe, the invaders do not allow the UN and other international organizations to provide assistance to the population in the flooded settlements. Therefore, the corpses of the dead float between the houses and in the houses themselves, since the level of flooding often becomes five or more meters. Those civilians who try to evacuate on their own are shot in the back.

While the UN began to argue who is to blame for this situation and make stupid assumptions that the HPP could collapse itself, the invaders blew up another dam - on the Wet Yaly River in the Zaporozhye region. The rushing water is flooding settlements on both banks of the river, threatening the homes of local residents. With these attacks, Russian troops are trying to delay the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the liberation of their territories.

A very dangerous situation has now developed at the largest Zaporozhye nuclear power plant in Europe, which is also still in the hands of the Russian occupiers and which the Russians have turned into a military base. The undermining of the Kakhovskaya HPP made it very difficult for the process of cooling nuclear reactors.

After the Armed Forces of Ukraine began to successfully counterattack and broke through the Russian defenses in several directions, having already liberated seven settlements, the Russians realized that they might not be able to hold the Crimean peninsula either.
According to the intelligence of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, the Russian invaders are mining and preparing to carry out a terrorist attack at the Crimean Titan plant in occupied Armyansk in the north of Crimea. There are hundreds of tons of ammonia and other chemicals, which could cause another environmental disaster. Will we just pray, or is it time to finally act to discourage the Russians from acting like a monkey with a grenade?

The main nuance here is that this time, the world terrorist will not be helped by ANYONE, just as, for example, the story of the restoration of West Germany.
West Germany was needed by the Western Coalition, which defeated the Nazi regime and saved the USSR from losing and being defeated.
West Germany, the FRG, became the economic locomotive of Europe after 20 years. China will quietly and calmly return its istoric lands (beyond the Urals of modern Russia)... Other countries, taking advantage of the situation, will buy up, for pennies on the dollar, attractive investment projects in the new, free republics that seceded from Russia ...
And yes, you are right - the changes that await us in the next 3-5 years will be global...

Food security should also be taken into account, and first and foremost, war should be avoided by all means. That is why no one was happy when Russia waged war against Ukraine let's pray that war should be avoided. In addition to the environmental impact, the mental impact is not to be overlooked because it affects a lot of people and then structures. When I read or watched a documentary about how many people died throughout world wars, I nearly broke down in tears. These countries primarily want to demonstrate who is more strong while oblivious to the repercussions.  and another impact is the economic impact after the war comes restructuring just to restore normalcy.

Indeed, the consequences of war are far-reaching and affect not only the countries directly involved but also have knock-on effects that can spread across borders and impact stability and prosperity. prosperity of the whole world. While hoping and praying for an end to conflict is a natural response, governments, international organizations, and individuals also need to actively work towards peaceful solutions and support initiatives. promote peace-building, reconciliation, and sustainable development. Remember to prioritize peace, diplomacy, and conflict resolution to avoid the devastating consequences that accompany armed conflict. International cooperation, dialogue, and the promotion of peaceful solutions to disputes are vital to maintaining global economic progress and stability.

It has a very broad impact. Addressing the environmental impacts of war and conflict is also critical to ensuring food security and people's well-being. I think there should be strong efforts directed at conflict prevention, peaceful resolution, and post-conflict reconstruction, with a focus on restoring agricultural systems, promoting sustainable practices, and supporting farmers in rebuilding their livelihoods. In my view, why should it be fast. pity the people there regardless of the underlying reasons, By mitigating the impact of armed conflict on the environment, we can strive for a more sustainable and food secure future.

Even in Russia, propaganda channels are now calling for an urgent end to the "special operation" in Ukraine, since Russia is not able to win the war it started. In the Kremlin, as well as corrupt politicians around the world, they screamed that it was time for the parties to sit down at the negotiating table. But if the Kremlin still hopes to complete the negotiations to its advantage, then others, including China, prefer to make do with general formulations.
All this indicates that the state of affairs of Russia on the fronts of Ukraine is close to deplorable. Therefore, in Ukraine, they answered the Kremlin to silently wait for the end of the war, because they understand that any truce with Russia means the continuation of the war in the future after Russia restores its military power.

In the meantime, the invaders have something to fear. On June 4, the Armed Forces of Ukraine switched to a series of offensive operations in order to find weak points in their defense and achieved some success, breaking through the defense of the Russians in the south up to 17 kilometers deep. The Russians have already deployed about 70 percent of their reserve even for such actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which do not yet mean a general offensive. They understand that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will soon cut the existing land corridor to the Crimea, after which their defense will fall in all directions. At the same time, the invaders suffer heavy losses in manpower and equipment. Over the past 24 hours alone, according to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, more than a thousand invaders have been destroyed. We are watching the further development of the situation and the defeat of the "second army of the world."

I apologize for my possible rudeness, but it is not possible to "make up" in this situation. Kremlin Nazism is already openly and openly stating that the goal is to DESTROY UKRAINE. Understand a very simple truth - "Rashism" is a cancerous tumor and cannot be reconciled with. Cancer can only be cured by complete destruction, otherwise it comes back and kills the organism that has decided that it has "made peace" with cancer.
You just can't imagine what Russia is really doing here in Ukraine. I'll tell you - the Nazis of Germany are "small spoilsports" against their background...

And to return to the subject - from an economic point of view, accepting economic international terror from russia would also be the ultimate idiotic thing to do. Understand one thing, in any relations with russia it is impossible to conduct any business relations and agree on anything. They don't care about laws, they don't care about signed treaties, they don't care about anything except their imperial ambitions.
And the population is just a tool, disenfranchised and reduced to an infernal state.
I have personally heard the interrogations of the captured "soldiers of the second army of the world". Do you know what most of the first wave mobilized in Russia answered when asked "why did you come to us in Ukraine"? No, not to "protect" from the phantom "Bandera people" the Russian language, but. "...and we have nowhere to make money, a bunch of loans, a hungry family, a sick mother and a penny pension, and prices are high. And  pay us very well for the war". They're not killing us, they're "raising their level of income." ....

I don't think peace is in the table right now, I think that the only way that the war will stop is if Ukraine gives up the part that's already occupied or they could revoke their invitation to join NATO, Putin has a lot of resources and even with all the sanctions, in a war of attrition they will be victorious. Economy wise, I don't think we're going to see any green pastures anytime soon even if the war ended, the cost of the destruction will be of paramount importance to be addressed.

Talks and discussions about reconciliation between Russia and Ukraine are nothing more than the good wishes of those who do not understand the current situation between these warring countries. The military-political leadership of Russia has set the goal of destroying Ukrainians as a nation and Ukraine as a state. As long as Russia does not give up these intentions, any talks about peace with her are useless and cannot lead to anything. Ukraine also cannot leave Ukrainians in the territories occupied by Russia, so that they continue to be physically destroyed there. Therefore, Ukraine sets the condition for the complete withdrawal of all Russian troops from the territory of Ukraine, including its occupied parts since 2014, as the first point to achieve peace.

The undermining of the Kakhovskaya HPP and the prohibition of Russian troops to evacuate the residents of the city of Oleshki, which they occupied and flooded (due to the destruction of the Kakhovskaya HPP, the water there rose to seven meters and therefore sometimes the roofs of the houses are not even visible), confirms the tactics of the Russians to destroy all living things in the occupied territories of Ukraine and completely destroy it infrastructure. Do you think that it is possible to negotiate something with such barbarians?

I think they should be able to make peace soon because it really affects the economy in European countries. yes, I saw several posts a few months ago showing that gas in Europe has increased several times more than before, the losers are the civilians who should not be involved in this war. I think this is a matter of the top brass, hoping that the war will end soon and the economy between the two camps will return to stability, it will make people's lives much better.

Tonight, Russia committed another terrorist attack and a terrible military crime in the occupied part of the Kherson region of Ukraine, blowing up the Kakhovskaya HPP in order to impede the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which began a few days ago. An explosion from the engine room, where the generators are located, almost completely destroyed the HPP. The remaining water washes away. Experts say that it is no longer possible to restore the Kakhovskaya HPP. 11 out of 28 spans have been destroyed, about 80 settlements may fall into the flood zone. In the southern part of Ukraine, this act of terrorism will cause a great ecological catastrophe. Many settlements will be flooded, others will not be able to receive drinking water. A catastrophe threatens even the Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant, the reactor circuit of which is cooled by water from the Kakhovka reservoir, the water level of which falls by 15 centimeters every hour. At the same time, due to the sharp shallowing of the Kakhovka reservoir, water will not flow to the occupied Crimean peninsula in the next ten years.

With the undermining of the Kakhovskaya HPP, which the Russians had mined since October last year, they apparently overdid it. The occupied left bank is much lower than the right one, and the main part of the water rushed there, flooding their first defensive fortifications. According to the interception of the occupiers' conversations on the radio station, they are sitting on trees, water is coming and they are asking to be rescued.

Tonight, I personally experienced another rocket attack on Kyiv. Again they used ballistic missiles against a peaceful, sleeping city (the shelling took place at 3 am Kyiv time). The results of the tantrums of the offended miserable under-furrer are 3 human victims. 2 of them are children... This is what the "heroic Russian world" looks like, this is what "saving the fraternal people" looks like.

But back to economics.
Now the Kremlin is in hysterics, there are several problems:
1. understanding that a well-prepared, secured counteroffensive is a fact, and there is nothing to oppose to this.
2. demonstrative liberation of the Bryansk region by the Russian Legion of Liberators of Russia. In 1 day, an area in Russia was demilitarized and denazified, much larger than the area of ​​the city of Bakhmut, which the Russian second army of the world, plus criminals, has been trying to occupy for 10+ months! Moreover, the liberators of the Belgorod region entered and left without loss, and moreover, with the capture of Russian equipment! And Russia could not do anything!
The slap in the face turned out to be so strong that in the Kremlin they were silent for 2 days, they didn’t know what to say

And now, because of the hysterics of the Fuhrer of the Kremlin, the RF Armed Forces began to use the strategic stock of missile weapons. Another week or two of such attacks - and Russia will turn out to be a huge territory, which is guarded with equipment from the middle of the last century, criminals and demoralized people in uniform

All this costs a lot of money, which the Russian economy lacks like air! Financial losses, plus the loss of the population (in the literal sense) and the loss of the population's loyalty to the Kremlin junta - this is an irreversible process. It will end predictably - like the story with the USSR.

And very important - REPUTATIONAL! After all, all these Daggers and Iskanderif were presented to the whole world as "not knocked down at all!" And here is the air defense of Ukraine, for the most part with complexes of the 70-90s of the last century - EVERYONE SHOT UP!

You know that after this failure, all the key developers of the Iskander (and the Dagger is the Iskander launched from an airplane) were ARRESTED and accused of spying for China! 

PS By the way - regarding the loyalty and support of the Russian population of Russia. I highly recommend reading the reaction of the Russian public after the raid of Ukrainian drones on Moscow, and especially on the village of Rublyovka - the place of residence of the Russian elites. Do you know what the population of Russia did? JOYED! What flew to Rublyovka and Moscow! Everything you need to know about Russian society... This is a human, moral INFLATION
And the most interesting thing is the reaction of the Kremlin
- The mouthpiece of the Kremlin nightingales, watered with choice mats ALL THE POPULATION of Russia, which rejoiced at the fact of the shelling of Msokva and specifically Rublyovka
- At the level of the Kremlin, a decision was made to prepare a plan for the evacuation of the residents of Rublyovka "to a zone inaccessible to aircraft." The truth about the rest of the population of Russia is no one cares, it is expected however

Before the upcoming big offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine at the front and realizing the inevitability of a military defeat, Russia is panicking and trying to compensate for the lack of any victories in Ukraine by continuing massive missile attacks and drone attacks, mainly supplied from Iran, on cities and other settlements throughout Ukraine .

During May, Russia fired more than 500 missiles and more than 400 kamikaze drones into Ukraine. 90% of air targets were shot down by Ukrainian air defense forces. Russia spent $1.7 billion on these attacks in May alone.

  Thus, in May, the Russian Armed Forces launched 563 missiles in Ukraine and 533 of them were shot down. In May, there were about 20 combined Russian air attacks. Most of them were sent to the Ukrainian capital.

The Russian Federation also launched 401 Shahed-136 Iranian kamikaze drones towards Ukraine. Ukrainian air defense forces destroyed 362 drones. Each such drone costs about 20 thousand dollars.

It is worth noting that among the high-precision missiles launched in Ukraine were 7 Kinzhal missiles and 16 Iskander missiles, which Russia was especially proud of as capable of bypassing any air defense. But Ukrainian air defense shot them all down. This dealt a colossal blow to the reputation of the Russian military industry.

Reptilians, Mormons, the Khmer Rouge conspiracy, the Yakuza, Cthulhu in the end - with a rich imagination, you can attach ANY event to each of them, and even the terrorist war unleashed by Russia in Ukraine.

But there are simpler facts. Well, the rule, as ancient as the world - "look for someone who benefits" answers these questions. I will explain this from the side of a resident of Ukraine. I will give simple and verifiable facts.

The beginning of the anti-Ukrainian policy of the Kremlin did not begin in 2014 or 2022, it happened much earlier. It was put around 2005 when the pro-Russian PR lost the presidential election. Ukraine was headed by an absolutely pro-Ukrainian president. And a pro-European vector of development began to develop in Ukraine.
This is not about NATO, there is no need to try to use this topic as "it provoked Russia." About NATO, as a trigger for Russia's reaction - this is a FALSE. You can check - THE FIRST official statement about the choice of movement towards NATO appeared ... in 2018 - 4 years after the start of Russian terrorist aggression against Ukraine.

It was 2005 that marked the beginning of Russia's anti-Ukrainian doctrine. Ukraine's withdrawal from Russia's sphere of influence and transition to the European Economic Area did not bode well for Russia. There are a huge number of reasons - economic, political, and reputational losses of Russia, and much more.
After 2005, Russia poured in huge amounts of money to create a positive image of pro-Russian political forces, sabotage pro-Ukrainian politicians, and much more. The effect was obtained - in 2010 the Party of Regions headed by Yanukovych returned to power again. And until 2013, we can say there were internal processes, and until November 2013, the President adhered to his obligations to continue the European vector of development. A sharp, inexplicable rejection of the European vector, a 180-degree turn, and "we are going into the arms of Russia." The population did not accept this, and no one explained the reasons ... Then I'm sure you know what happened.

And most importantly, "who benefits?". The benefits and goals of Russia are primitive:
- Political benefits: Destroy democratic scenarios - like the Maidan in Ukraine, where the people showed that they are in power, and the president is OJABZAN to fulfill his promises to the people. For the totalitarian Kremlin, this is an unacceptable, deadly scenario.
- The economic component - without Ukraine, the economy of the Customs Union is inferior, many industrial enterprises in Ukraine provided the defense capability of Russia, supplied solutions for key areas of the economy.
- Gas and gas transportation system. In Russia, there are only main channels for pumping gas, but there are no large gas storage facilities. Without this, it is impossible to ensure contractual conditions for gas transit. In addition, already in the eastern regions (Donetsk, Lugansk region of Ukraine) huge deposits of gas were discovered. And contracts for joint development were already being prepared. Do you remember how all of a sudden all the pro-Russian media started screaming that "shale gas is EVIL!" ? Yes, yes, this happened precisely after the information about the largest deposits of shale gas in Europe, on the territory of Ukraine, appeared. And this would lead to the loss of Russia's monopolized EU gas market.
- Psychiatry Here the problems need to be studied, but for some reason Putin decided that he was a new tsar, a collector of some fictional "Russian lands", a restorer of the USSR, and other mental nonsense.


In a word, you should not look for fairy tale stories to describe the reasons for the start of the terrorist war against Ukraine. Russia is the aggressor, Russia is the initiator.

Can you offer a logical, reasoned, and not a fantastic explanation, from the point of view, for example, this is not Russia the initiator of a terrorist attack on Ukraine, but ....? Let there be anyone, the main thing is that the arguments and common sense? It will be very interesting to listen!

The only thing I can agree with is that some countries, seeing where the situation is heading for Russia, and realizing the change in the balance of power, began to use this for their own benefit. Among such beneficiaries are China, India, Iran and some other countries that "help" Russia, some for simple enrichment, some for the implementation of their complexes ....

Talk about a lasting peace between Russia and Ukraine is all empty and non-binding words. In this case, the question immediately arises: under what conditions will peace be concluded. If someone wants to keep the territories of Ukraine now occupied by Russia, then it should be understood that even after the declaration of peace there, it will still not happen. The Russians want to destroy the Ukrainians as a nation, and therefore they are now killing pro-Ukrainian Ukrainians. Therefore, guerrilla warfare will continue in the occupied territories anyway. In addition, now the citizens of Ukraine are determined not to give any of their territories to anyone. They are now dying for it on a front stretching over a thousand kilometers. Peace is possible only after the last Russian occupier leaves the territory of Ukraine or lies down in its fertile soil.

My personal view on this is that there are a more sinister plot behind all of these wars. It is not just a political reason, but an economical strategy to "reset" markets.

Just look at the major market shifts around the world, when a war is announced. The stock markets take a huge blow and "reset" for rich people to make more profits. (Insiders must know about these wars in advance and they sell before the markets start to plummet)

The manufacturers of arms and ammunition are smiling, because they make huge profits in time of war.

Governments also reduce unemployment, because civilians are called up for duty to protect their country. A lot of people are killed, so they are also reducing the population. 

there's no winner at all in all kinds of war. i believe zelensky is just standing its position just to defend his constituents. well, we don't know when will this stop but hopefully very soon. a lot are suffering especially civilians on this war.
high likely that it has been greatly affecting the life of nearby countries not only ukraine or russia.

yes that's true. they have to stop the war because those who are affected are ordinary citizens who happen to be in their country. they work to pay for their daily life but it is still not enough because in a state of war many lose not only one's life. i heard in parts of europe even electricity and gas prices they have to pay $1000 for it. I don't know if it's real or not, but it hurts if it's real.

The problem is how to stop Russia when the Russians start to revive their troops by equipping all the necessary equipment? Because Russia is a big country with a lot of human resources and also a lot of other resources, so Russia has a bigger power in terms of war than Ukraine.

So the choice of peace is a more appropriate thing in my opinion than one of them having to win in war because when one wins, of course the other one has to lose and that of course will result in revenge which might be reciprocated when the loser returns. the power to raise war again. That's why I prefer them to make peace with a more solid agreement so that there will be no more wars in the future.

The cessation of hostilities in the event of a war between Russia and Ukraine does not mean the establishment of peace between these countries. In order for peace to come, Ukraine must definitely win. Other options, such as compromise solutions on both sides, will only delay the onset of the second stage of the war, when Russia again rebuilds its army and accumulates military equipment and ammunition. Evil in this case must be punished so that it cannot be reborn again.