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Topic: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. - page 1010. (Read 2032266 times)

legendary
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August 22, 2014, 10:42:39 AM
What spawned the silver rally in 2011?  And where do you see the silver price by end of 2014?

there's a 9yr cycle in gold.  silver usually moves with it and oftentimes leads.  the last bottom of that cycle was Oct 2008. i used that cycle, along with fundamentals and the Bitcoin phenomenon, to call my personal top in silver in the last week of Apr 2011 and gold in Aug 2011:  Gold: I Smell a Trap.  when a chart blows off like that so early in a cycle, it usually means it's going to end up being L translated and end up lower than it started.

you can see the run up in silver into its top in May 2011 soon after its bottom in Oct 2008. b/c silver often leads gold, to me, it was an obvious blow off top despite what all the silver pumpers were stating at the time, which was "going to 200". it's concerning when a chart blows off like that so early in its cycle b/c it's likely to end up L translated and bearish.  i picked that top @48 by selling 3 junk bags of silver in May and averaging out @44 soon thereafter.  don't get me wrong, there is some luck in doing something like that.  it's not a science.  it's intuition, experience, fundamentals, technicals, all combined.  b/c of the steepness of that blowoff, i can't see it coming back for a long time.  remember the last blowoff was in 1980.



edit: b/c silver leads, and i thought it topped in May 2011, then i was hunting for the gold top soon thereafter, which ended up being Sept 2011.  gold had been in an 10-11 yr bull at that point.
legendary
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August 22, 2014, 10:14:26 AM
Cypherdoc, where do you see gold and silver 1 to 2 years from now?

much lower
legendary
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Trusted Bitcoiner
August 22, 2014, 10:03:52 AM
legendary
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August 22, 2014, 10:00:01 AM
What spawned the silver rally in 2011?  And where do you see the silver price by end of 2014?
legendary
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August 22, 2014, 09:58:10 AM
stocks rolling now...
legendary
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August 22, 2014, 09:44:40 AM
for all my former subs, what do u see here?  answer: a series of L translated cycles:

legendary
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August 22, 2014, 09:37:16 AM
i'm sorry, but there is just not real growth in certain critical areas of the economy:

legendary
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August 22, 2014, 09:23:55 AM
traderCJ & Teebone,

i am comin for ya, baby.

cypher
legendary
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August 22, 2014, 09:22:00 AM
little green line turning UP:

legendary
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August 22, 2014, 09:20:03 AM
BOOM
legendary
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August 22, 2014, 09:17:43 AM
Bitcoin UP, baby!
legendary
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August 22, 2014, 09:16:28 AM
no change here.  Bitcoin has devastated this asset:

legendary
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August 22, 2014, 09:08:16 AM
gold and silver in BIG trouble in the face of this:

legendary
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August 22, 2014, 09:05:59 AM
oh shit moar!

legendary
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August 22, 2014, 09:04:09 AM
gold and silver dropping, USD ramping, Bitcoin strengthening.
legendary
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August 22, 2014, 08:59:36 AM
500 looks like strong support
legendary
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August 22, 2014, 02:01:35 AM
in case you didn't catch my drift from yesterday's FOMC, the reason gold is tanking today and yesterday is rate hikes possibly on the horizon:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/21/us-usa-fed-george-idUSKBN0GL13I20140821

and then, you gotta wonder, why has the USD been rallying since 7/1?  it can't be that someone knew this was gonna happen, could it?

this is why one has to be a technical analyst.  shit starts happening on charts before the news ever comes out. 

ive been saying it since 2012 to start buying usd.. the 25 yr cycle was up and BRICS learned they got hosed by the deal they signed mid 80s
legendary
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August 21, 2014, 10:47:14 PM
we are at levels of federal debt to GDP ratios never seen before.  we cleared 100% back in Q4 2012.  how long can we keep it together?

sr. member
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August 21, 2014, 10:36:38 PM
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the reason gold is tanking today and yesterday is rate hikes possibly on the horizon:

Just that dynamic alone is probably the most important thing to consider in the next five years.    You know they could raise rates but still lag inflation and so have no real effect and this is very likely to happen.   We have a large political influence so any raising of rates is quite certain to lag behind actual increases in monetary base.     There is so many factors pointing towards this and we have like a sleepy dead head reaction to the quite apparent danger.   Raising of rates effects government very badly, it increases the deficit.   Then USA has the lowest turnover time of its debt in the world, it has the largest amount to deal on every occasion also.  Yet it lacks the figures to support such a large debt overhang.

 So the influence on rates from this is massive and obviously going to lead to interest rates not being a reason for gold to go down.  I know thats the perception and I wont argue thats the reason gold fell recently or any other time.   But at some point the real momentum in the situation is a lack of currency integrity on multiple fronts, dollar will be weaker then gold and thats why its a buy.   I wouldnt invest or hold for other reasons or speculative.                 
Similar reasoning could have been applied to the housing debt 10 years back maybe.   Renting was cheaper then buying, even if capital appreciation was real for housing owners the underlying efficency supported the case for selling that asset.  So at that point housing debt vs dollar (or gold or whatever currency base you prefer) was weaker outlook.   Ag

Helluva post right there.
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