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Topic: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. - page 620. (Read 2032266 times)

legendary
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December 15, 2014, 11:14:36 PM
stocks plunging round the world
legendary
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December 15, 2014, 11:11:55 PM
junk is junk:

legendary
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December 15, 2014, 09:41:33 PM
where is BTC-e? breaking out:

legendary
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December 15, 2014, 09:39:39 PM
what's happening in Russia is fascinating:



going Bitcoin could make some sense to take the pressure off:



http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/16/upshot/vladimir-putin-vs-the-currency-markets-what-to-know-about-the-rubles-collapse.html?_r=0&abt=0002&abg=1
legendary
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December 15, 2014, 07:42:59 PM
The more people are paid in BTC for services, employment, etc. the higher the price of BTC will go.
They have to be paid in BTC, and they have to save in BTC.

Otherwise it won't work.

Yes, exactly, if they are paid in BTC, save their BTC, it will create an extremely scarce market.

If I can dodge a LambShop for a second (becoming increasingly rabid of late I notice), this is exactly what all the 'permabulls' see as being almost inevitable. Eventually everything will be in BTC. Then the USD/BTC price becomes irrelevant, apart from roughly what it was just before everyone went full crypto.

5 years ago nobody could even imagine a world where money was anything other than what it currently was. Fast forward and there is a massive groundswell of people who now see what it could be.

You either see it and panic you are too late, or you don't see it and think you can make a few "oldbucks" off the rubes by out-trading them.

Call me a rube, I'm going all the way. Once it resumes its uptrend above the last ATH I'll skim as a hedge (even though my gut tells me not to bother, my math tells me I should) [thats my "full disclosure"]

Still one the most insanely +EV binary bets I have ever come across.  

I agree, although I don't know if it's inevitable.  When you start to see companies paying their employees in BTC, then you should really hold on to your precious BTC. 
legendary
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December 15, 2014, 07:27:30 PM
The more people are paid in BTC for services, employment, etc. the higher the price of BTC will go.
They have to be paid in BTC, and they have to save in BTC.

Otherwise it won't work.

Yes, exactly, if they are paid in BTC, save their BTC, it will create an extremely scarce market.

If I can dodge a LambShop for a second (becoming increasingly rabid of late I notice), this is exactly what all the 'permabulls' see as being almost inevitable. Eventually everything will be in BTC. Then the USD/BTC price becomes irrelevant, apart from roughly what it was just before everyone went full crypto.

5 years ago nobody could even imagine a world where money was anything other than what it currently was. Fast forward and there is a massive groundswell of people who now see what it could be.

You either see it and panic you are too late, or you don't see it and think you can make a few "oldbucks" off the rubes by out-trading them.

Call me a rube, I'm going all the way. Once it resumes its uptrend above the last ATH I'll skim as a hedge (even though my gut tells me not to bother, my math tells me I should) [thats my "full disclosure"]

Still one the most insanely +EV binary bets I have ever come across.  
legendary
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December 15, 2014, 06:17:22 PM
it means gold's SOV function days are numbered.

Or paper gold's SOV function  Roll Eyes

Correct. Paper gold has absolutely no advantages over BTC. At least physical gold you might imagine retains value if there is a catastrophic failure of technology (solar flare, communications infrastructure brought down hard by hacking, etc.), breakdown of rule of law (arguably has already happened), etc. Paper gold, forget it.
legendary
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December 15, 2014, 06:07:05 PM
At ~3600 BTC/day, the current price of ~$350 / BTC requires ~$1.3 million of new capital (money, energy for hashing, etc) to enter the system.
Your list of capital types should include products and services.

Every person who sells their productivity for Bitcoin and does not immediately spend what they earn is contributing to that ~$1.3 million/day requirement.

The concept I like to focus on is accumulation (of holding). Every bit of that new 25 BTC mined every 10 minutes has to find a home with someone willing to hold it. It doesn't really matter if that comes from miners holding it, investors buying it, or people trading goods or services and holding the coins they receive. In reality all of these play a role, and they all involve exchange of other resources for coins, but we can be sure that aggregate accumulation is ~$1.3m per day.

It is indeed helpful to price discovery and liquidity that this forces a constant market clearing process.  It is also no surprise that the scam altcoin market has moved to ICOs and proof-of-stake which lack such a process.

legendary
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December 15, 2014, 05:57:40 PM
The more people are paid in BTC for services, employment, etc. the higher the price of BTC will go.
They have to be paid in BTC, and they have to save in BTC.

Otherwise it won't work.

Yes, exactly, if they are paid in BTC, save their BTC, it will create an extremely scarce market.
legendary
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December 15, 2014, 05:25:42 PM
this is the Elizabeth Warren i know from 2008:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJpTxONxvoo
legendary
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December 15, 2014, 05:24:12 PM
it means gold's SOV function days are numbered.

Or paper gold's SOV function  Roll Eyes

the paper gold was the entire reason for the price ramp in the first place.  Roll Eyes
legendary
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yes
December 15, 2014, 05:21:36 PM
it means gold's SOV function days are numbered.

Or paper gold's SOV function  Roll Eyes
legendary
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December 15, 2014, 05:08:21 PM
this is a really bad sign:



does that means gold mining is not profitable anymore? mining bitcoin maybe?

it means gold's SOV function days are numbered.
sr. member
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December 15, 2014, 04:56:34 PM
this is a really bad sign:



does that means gold mining is not profitable anymore? mining bitcoin maybe?
legendary
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December 15, 2014, 04:47:22 PM
Adam Ludwin at Chain.com with some mostly spot-on thoughts:


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[miners produce] by design, a secure financial network: one which is open, decentralized, programmable, and very inexpensive to use.


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Without speculators, there would be no bitcoin.  They provide miners, applications, and other participants with liquidity.  If you have bought or sold bitcoin as a speculator, you have helped enable the emerging ecosystem...


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Whether volatility increases or decreases, one thing is likely to be true: it won’t matter as much going forward as people think.


http://blog.chain.com/post/105287860141/why-bitcoin-apps-and-bitcoin-speculators-need-each


So Xapo, and now Chain, make my list of new VC-backed bitcoin companies with seasoned leadership who *actually* understand bitcoin.
legendary
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December 15, 2014, 03:26:01 PM
this is a really bad sign:

legendary
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December 15, 2014, 03:15:47 PM
geez, gold and gold stocks getting bitch slapped.  darn it!  i wanted more rally to reload ZSL and DZZ! Angry
hero member
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December 15, 2014, 03:13:02 PM
Every person who sells their productivity for Bitcoin and does not immediately spend what they earn is contributing to that ~$1.3 million/day requirement.

This will be the key to a major price spike in my opinion.  The more people are paid in BTC for services, employment, etc. the higher the price of BTC will go.

Miners hoard a lot of coins too. Bitcoin companies accumulate bitcoins and their owners do so as well while they pay in bitcoins for time and services.
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