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I'll respond to both you and AQ tomorrow when I get up. Been working like crazy lately and have had less chance to post regularly and in decent detail.

Thanks, you do a lot of effort for free. I read so much contradiction about USA, even in libertarian oriented journal, as some people think you are like any European country now and other you still a place with freedom.
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What's Rand opinion on foreign politic ? I find this article and i find more and more that some people in the libertarian community turn bad:

"It’s hard for me to explain the absurdity of Putin’s libertarians from my perspective. (I live in Ukraine.) It’s like libertarians defending North Korea and claiming that South Korea is a American puppet with US military bases. Certainly the military base is there, but . . . . You get the idea."

http://romaninukraine.com/email-to-a-putin-libertarian/
I'll respond to both you and AQ tomorrow when I get up. Been working like crazy lately and have had less chance to post regularly and in decent detail.
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I think bush has the best chances of winning as his family is one of the more politically powerful families in America.
Yeah, I guess it would matter as to whom the America people are sick of more, the Bushes or the Clintons (I'm not really even sold on her running yet). But frankly, I can't see the GOP base turning out it in droves for a Bush and Rand will be too popular for people to settle on Bush as the nominee.
I think if Clinton were to win the nomination then the GOP would likely teat her to shreds with her handling of bengazadi. 
There's more to it than that but yeah, Rand will smoke her like a joint.
The Clintons have gone through a lot of controversy, I am surprised that they still have the amount of political power that they do.
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@chef ramsay

What's Rand opinion on foreign politic ? I find this article and i find more and more that some people in the libertarian community turn bad:

"It’s hard for me to explain the absurdity of Putin’s libertarians from my perspective. (I live in Ukraine.) It’s like libertarians defending North Korea and claiming that South Korea is a American puppet with US military bases. Certainly the military base is there, but . . . . You get the idea."

http://romaninukraine.com/email-to-a-putin-libertarian/
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Here are the odds on Predictious for the most popular contracts:

CandidateLayBack
Hillary Clintonx1.52x2.38
Jeb Bushx1.04x16.7
Rand Paulx1.08x8.33
Chris Christiex1.06x9.62
Marco Rubiox1.05x10.8
Ted Cruzx1.03x18.2
Elizabeth Warrenx18.2
Rob Portmanx1.01x18.2
Scott Walkerx1.01x9.71
Paul Ryanx1.04x8.2
Mike Huckabeex2.56
Mitt Romneyx1.02x2.82
Joe Bidenx1.01x3.25
Andrew Cuomox1.01x2.56

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The trial lawyers guild so to say typically support democrats all the way. I'd imagine many prosecutors support republicans because of their perceived 'tough on crime' attitude. You can read about Rand's efforts to reform the criminal justice system from top to bottom and get an idea of where the status quo lawyer lobby would line up. Rand is trying to amass a broad spectrum of support across all people that value individual liberty and less government involvement in our lives. Whether it's reforming the CJ system, stopping illegal NSA spying, using the American military in a more restrained manner, implementing economic freedom zones in inner cities to raise them up on their own instead of using bailouts, Rand is using populist libertarianism and driving it home in his remake of the republican party going forward. Much of the republican establishment and donors desperately want to win the White House while others are content to play the status quo no matter what party is in charge. So, Rand is making himself the candidate w/ the deepest amount of alternative support among those that typically didn't vote republican: minorities and young people. And that's why the polls have been showing him having a leg up on his republican counterparts in theoretical matchups against certain dems, specifically Hillary.

This guy is a genius. What about subsidiarity ? I think he want to give back to the state as many competence as he can, and keep military, diplomacy, intelligence and some crime investigation on the federal level. I hope i will suppress the EPA, America is the only country with heavy armed ecologist and it seem not be a good idea.
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What about the lawyer lobby ?
The trial lawyers guild so to say typically support democrats all the way. I'd imagine many prosecutors support republicans because of their perceived 'tough on crime' attitude. You can read about Rand's efforts to reform the criminal justice system from top to bottom and get an idea of where the status quo lawyer lobby would line up. Rand is trying to amass a broad spectrum of support across all people that value individual liberty and less government involvement in our lives. Whether it's reforming the CJ system, stopping illegal NSA spying, using the American military in a more restrained manner, implementing economic freedom zones in inner cities to raise them up on their own instead of using bailouts, Rand is using populist libertarianism and driving it home in his remake of the republican party going forward. Much of the republican establishment and donors desperately want to win the White House while others are content to play the status quo no matter what party is in charge. So, Rand is making himself the candidate w/ the deepest amount of alternative support among those that typically didn't vote republican: minorities and young people. And that's why the polls have been showing him having a leg up on his republican counterparts in theoretical matchups against certain dems, specifically Hillary.
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Washington Times editorial board praises Rand's bill to rein in asset forfeiture

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EDITORIAL: Stopping police asset-forfeiture predators
Left and right agree that civil-forfeiture laws must be radically reformed


When the public is more afraid of the cops than the bad guys, the system is broken. There’s reason for some law-abiding Americans to worry about their pocketbook becoming lighter after a visit from the lawman. Bonnie and Clyde never pretended to be anything but robbers.

A 64-year-old Texas woman, for example, was accused of being a drug dealer simply because she was carrying cash in her pickup truck from the sale of her land. The cops took her money, though she had never been convicted of a crime in her life. She had to sue in federal court to get all of her money back.

A family grocery store in Michigan was threatened by the IRS for “money laundering” because they handled money in the way their insurance policy required. Car owners giving friends a lift in New York City suffer their vehicles seized because the Taxi Commission thinks they’re operating an illegal cab.

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Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky wants to stop this abuse with a bill that he calls the Fifth Amendment Integrity Restoration Act. It would eliminate the profit motive by requiring law enforcement agencies to send the money seized directly into the Treasury. The act would require cops to follow all applicable state laws, which would put a stop to local jurisdictions that have used federal seizure statutes to evade strict laws. Some states, such as Minnesota, have cracked down on forfeiture abuse.

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Given the gridlock in Washington, this is a proposal that ought to advance, given its wide appeal across party lines. The American Civil Liberties Union has been outspoken on the need to rein in forfeiture laws, and so have conservative and libertarian groups, such as the Heritage Foundation and Cato Institute.

Democrats and Republicans alike ought to put this forfeiture reform on President Obama’s desk. It’s a golden opportunity for a bit of bipartisanship in a town that could use some.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/25/editorial-stopping-police-predators/


Radley Balko praises Rand's bill to rein in asset forfeiture
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The bill would also require states “to abide by state law when forfeiting seized property.” This is important. Currently, a number of state legislatures across the country have passed reform bills to rein in forfeiture abuses. The problem is that the federal government has a program known as “adoption” or “equitable sharing.” Under the program, a local police agency need only call up the Drug Enforcement Administration, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives or similar federal agency. That agency then “federalizes” the investigation, making it subject to federal law. The federal agency then initiates forfeiture proceedings under the laxer federal guidelines for forfeiture. The feds take a cut and then return the rest — as much as 80 percent — back to the local agency. This trick thwarts the intent of state legislature that have attempted to make civil forfeiture more fair when it comes to burden of proof, protections for innocent property owners and eliminating the perverse incentive of allowing forfeiture proceeds to go to the same police agency that made the seizure.

More...http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/07/25/rand-paul-introduces-bill-to-reform-civil-asset-forfeiture/

In case anyone is unfamiliar w/ Balko, he's one of the leading critics of the militarization of police in America.
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What about the lawyer lobby ?
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Didn't pay too much attention to American politic. Whom among them is good for peace and prosperity?

Welcome to my thread about the only American politician (Senator Rand Paul), whom is likely running for President, who's actually not a smoke screen for the Military Industrial Complex/Big Pharm/Fed Bankers/Political Class and is actually for liberty, peace and prosperity. There are others that are great in the US House and more getting elected as libertarians keep getting a larger stake in the GOP.
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Didn't pay too much attention to American politic. Whom among them is good for peace and prosperity?
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I think bush has the best chances of winning as his family is one of the more politically powerful families in America.
Yeah, I guess it would matter as to whom the America people are sick of more, the Bushes or the Clintons (I'm not really even sold on her running yet). But frankly, I can't see the GOP base turning out it in droves for a Bush and Rand will be too popular for people to settle on Bush as the nominee.
I think if Clinton were to win the nomination then the GOP would likely teat her to shreds with her handling of bengazadi. 

"the GOP would likely teat her..."
Too many Americans will try too suck off her hard, cold "teat", but hopefully the right candidate can politically "tear" hear to shreds.  Cheesy
legendary
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I think bush has the best chances of winning as his family is one of the more politically powerful families in America.
Yeah, I guess it would matter as to whom the America people are sick of more, the Bushes or the Clintons (I'm not really even sold on her running yet). But frankly, I can't see the GOP base turning out it in droves for a Bush and Rand will be too popular for people to settle on Bush as the nominee.
I think if Clinton were to win the nomination then the GOP would likely teat her to shreds with her handling of bengazadi. 
There's more to it than that but yeah, Rand will smoke her like a joint.
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I think bush has the best chances of winning as his family is one of the more politically powerful families in America.
Yeah, I guess it would matter as to whom the America people are sick of more, the Bushes or the Clintons (I'm not really even sold on her running yet). But frankly, I can't see the GOP base turning out it in droves for a Bush and Rand will be too popular for people to settle on Bush as the nominee.
I think if Clinton were to win the nomination then the GOP would likely teat her to shreds with her handling of bengazadi. 
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Rand Paul revolution in Silicon Valley

By Edward Hudgins
Friday, July 25, 2014

Free thinkers could find a home in the Republican Party.

Sen. Rand Paul, Kentucky Republican, recently spoke at the “Rebooting Congress, Causes and Campaigns 2014” conference in Silicon Valley. The goal of Lincoln Labs, which put on the event, is to “create a bridge between technology and efforts to advance liberty.” The conference sought to “bring together technical talent and policy advocates to turn ideas into deliverables for liberty.”

Mr. Paul has also met in recent weeks with tech luminaries, including Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg and PayPal co-founder Peter Thiel.

This might seem like just the usual meet-and-greet in advance of a possible presidential run. The libertarian-leaning Mr. Paul’s efforts, though, could presage a radical realignment of the Republican Party and a revolution in American politics.

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More...http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/25/hudgins-rand-paul-revolution-in-silicon-valley/?page=all#pagebreak
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Top Obama Aide: Rand Paul Is ‘Most Intriguing’ Republican

"He's the only Republican I think who has articulated a message that is potentially appealing to younger Americans"


A senior aide to President Barack Obama suggested Friday that Sen. Rand Paul would be the greatest threat to Democrats’ hopes to retain the White House in 2016.

Speaking to reporters, counselor to the president Dan Pfeiffer said the Kentucky Republican is “one of the most intriguing candidates” in the field because of his appeal to younger voters of both parties.

“He’s the only Republican I think who has articulated a message that is potentially appealing to younger Americans,” Pfeiffer said at a breakfast organized by the Christian Science Monitor. “Every other Republican running is basically just Romney-lite when it comes to younger Americans.” Rand has made reaching out to non-traditional voters a signature component of his political agenda, most recently delivering a speech Friday to the National Urban League.

As for the senator’s presidential hopes, Pfeiffer questioned whether Paul has the organization to be a real threat and acknowledged that he would have to first make it through a tough primary where some of his positions are problematic to voters. But, he added, “there’s a germ of something there.”

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More...http://time.com/3033968/rand-paul-intriguing-dan-pfeiffer/
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Well I tried my best to get Ron some votes and I guess I will do the same for Rand. Honestly I need to look into him some more. Is he basically the same as his dad? 

This bush/Clinton family nonsense has got to stop. How stupid can Americans be?  We keep electing the same families, we don't have anyone else who just might do better?  What a joke, sometimes I almost wish the US would fail because we are so dumb.
According to Ron, him and Rand are about 99% on the issues but Rand just packages the liberty message in a way that can't be demagogued by the media and in a more populist and non-confrontational sort of way. It's like hustling libertarianism to conservatives and even liberals are starting to see some of the Ron come out in him on civil rights issues. This man is too clever for the media and is a master at his craft. As an ancap, I went all in for Ron and will do the same for Rand.
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I give Rand Paul about a 10% chance of winning the Republican primary. He'd have the best shot against someone like Hilary in the general election, but the Republicans haven't shown themselves able to make choices like that in their own self-interest in the past few cycles.
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Rand Paul's foreign policy was featured tonight on the biggest tv political show, The O'Reilly Factor. Bill, the host, is the flagship dipshit on Fox and Laura Ingraham, the most popular female on talk radio, was there to offer the balance to Rand's views. Check it out....http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/07/24/ingraham-rand-pauls-isolationist-foreign-policy-captures-what-americans-are-feeling
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Well I tried my best to get Ron some votes and I guess I will do the same for Rand. Honestly I need to look into him some more. Is he basically the same as his dad? 

This bush/Clinton family nonsense has got to stop. How stupid can Americans be?  We keep electing the same families, we don't have anyone else who just might do better?  What a joke, sometimes I almost wish the US would fail because we are so dumb.
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