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October 03, 2015, 01:39:20 AM
Who are you to make satire with thoughts of the others telling "was a satire"?

I was referring to my own post. I have no idea what you are talking about, please re-read my posts and you will understand better.


No because first not the miners but the technology regulate bitcoin.Then the technology regulate the digital bitcoin The digital currency, the currency of internet). The papers bitcoin (the banknotes) will be another thing. If it will be produced (printed) more banknotes than the real number of bitcoins then will be trouble. The technology or your miners in this case can do nothing. At least the technology known since this moment in the production of the digital bitcoin (the internet currency).

No you misunderstand me. The miners do regulate bitcoin, because they have the voting rights.

So whatever issue/problem/event/implementation happens with bitcoin, the miners can veto it.

Not very democratical, but still more fair than the political system, because atleast miner's vote is transparent, while political elections can be faked.
And the most of the miner do the confirmation so they can handle the list of transaction and also the mining is the greatest way to earn bitcoin, they can earn almost 50 btc per day (mining company in china can do that).

Yep, bitcoin is not a democracy, its a mining oligarchy, because essentially it's the miners who own bitcoin, while we just lend it from them.

If the miners would all got together to form a 70% ownership cartel, then we would all lose our money.
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October 01, 2015, 08:29:22 PM

No because first not the miners but the technology regulate bitcoin.Then the technology regulate the digital bitcoin The digital currency, the currency of internet). The papers bitcoin (the banknotes) will be another thing. If it will be produced (printed) more banknotes than the real number of bitcoins then will be trouble. The technology or your miners in this case can do nothing. At least the technology known since this moment in the production of the digital bitcoin (the internet currency).

No you misunderstand me. The miners do regulate bitcoin, because they have the voting rights.

So whatever issue/problem/event/implementation happens with bitcoin, the miners can veto it.

Not very democratical, but still more fair than the political system, because atleast miner's vote is transparent, while political elections can be faked.
And the most of the miner do the confirmation so they can handle the list of transaction and also the mining is the greatest way to earn bitcoin, they can earn almost 50 btc per day (mining company in china can do that).
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October 01, 2015, 05:10:46 PM

First, it was not this the aim of my answer. It was an lateral explanation.

Second and the most important you haven't answer to the main aim of my answer and our discuss - the paper bitcoin is not auto-regulated - but need rules. You must accept that you were wrong about the things told in your previous post. This is seriousness and fairness in an discussion.

Third, I haven't heard never in my life such foolishness like the words wrote by you in your last post and your "explanations" given there.

Forth, you must see a doctor because suffer from narcissism which will hurt you to much during your life. You love yourself in an unimaginable way and that in the future can damage you seriously. I have no desire to answer to your post but I will obligated because this forum will be read by thousand people and to many from them may be deviated from your hallucinations. Which for more are provoking with the way you do the comments. You don't comment or discuss. You give lessons with your posts. You give mind without having yourself. This way provokes the other pair that - without having desire (at least in my case) - to be taken with you and not with the discussion. Thing that I personally hate.

You are again doing ad hominem attacks, which is kind of unfair and disrespectful.

I was just simply explaining to you my views. I wasnt even talking about paper currency, my last post, and my post before that was a satire about the "regulation" that exists on paper printing , which it obviously doesnt exist, otherwise we would not lose 99% of our purchasing power in the course of 30-40 years.

Then again you have your answer, the bitcoin miners are regulating the network, so the questioin is answered.

Who are you to make satire with thoughts of the others telling "was a satire"? Isn't this disrespectful versus the author of the thought? Where is written that "the "regulation" that exists on paper printing"? Who told that exist regulation on paper printing? Bring here this expression and show the post where this is written. Why don't you accept that don't read that the others write but what you want to understand from their that the other write? Or if not that then that you diverges from the object of discussion with words without meaning? In this case why don't you accept that you spoke about bitcoin when the discussion was about the paper printing. And then diverge with other words totally without meaning. like: "The miners do regulate bitcoin, because they have the voting rights" What kind of vote have the miners and in which way is counted this vote? Then who are you to decide that "otherwise we would not lose 99% of our purchasing power in the course of 30-40 years" and what does it mean this phrase? It is not an error your phrase "my post before that was a satire about the "regulation" that exists on paper printing , which it obviously doesn't exist, otherwise we would not lose 99% of our purchasing power in the course of 30-40 years" which mean that "if exist the paper printing of bitcoin we will not lose 99% of our....." So you are against the paper printing and if we will have that will not lose 99% of our purchasing. What is this thought?
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October 01, 2015, 02:08:50 PM

First, it was not this the aim of my answer. It was an lateral explanation.

Second and the most important you haven't answer to the main aim of my answer and our discuss - the paper bitcoin is not auto-regulated - but need rules. You must accept that you were wrong about the things told in your previous post. This is seriousness and fairness in an discussion.

Third, I haven't heard never in my life such foolishness like the words wrote by you in your last post and your "explanations" given there.

Forth, you must see a doctor because suffer from narcissism which will hurt you to much during your life. You love yourself in an unimaginable way and that in the future can damage you seriously. I have no desire to answer to your post but I will obligated because this forum will be read by thousand people and to many from them may be deviated from your hallucinations. Which for more are provoking with the way you do the comments. You don't comment or discuss. You give lessons with your posts. You give mind without having yourself. This way provokes the other pair that - without having desire (at least in my case) - to be taken with you and not with the discussion. Thing that I personally hate.

You are again doing ad hominem attacks, which is kind of unfair and disrespectful.

I was just simply explaining to you my views. I wasnt even talking about paper currency, my last post, and my post before that was a satire about the "regulation" that exists on paper printing , which it obviously doesnt exist, otherwise we would not lose 99% of our purchasing power in the course of 30-40 years.

Then again you have your answer, the bitcoin miners are regulating the network, so the questioin is answered.
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October 01, 2015, 01:48:34 PM

No because first not the miners but the technology regulate bitcoin.Then the technology regulate the digital bitcoin The digital currency, the currency of internet). The papers bitcoin (the banknotes) will be another thing. If it will be produced (printed) more banknotes than the real number of bitcoins then will be trouble. The technology or your miners in this case can do nothing. At least the technology known since this moment in the production of the digital bitcoin (the internet currency).

No you misunderstand me. The miners do regulate bitcoin, because they have the voting rights.

So whatever issue/problem/event/implementation happens with bitcoin, the miners can veto it.

Not very democratical, but still more fair than the political system, because atleast miner's vote is transparent, while political elections can be faked.

First, it was not this the aim of my answer. It was an lateral explanation.

Second and the most important you haven't answer to the main aim of my answer and our discuss - the paper bitcoin is not auto-regulated - but need rules. You must accept that you were wrong about the things told in your previous post. This is seriousness and fairness in an discussion.

Third, I haven't heard never in my life such foolishness like the words wrote by you in your last post and your "explanations" given there.

Forth, you must see a doctor because suffer from narcissism which will hurt you to much during your life. You love yourself in an unimaginable way and that in the future can damage you seriously. I have no desire to answer to your post but I will obligated because this forum will be read by thousand people and to many from them may be deviated from your hallucinations. Which for more are provoking with the way you do the comments. You don't comment or discuss. You give lessons with your posts. You give mind without having yourself. This way provokes the other pair that - without having desire (at least in my case) - to be taken with you and not with the discussion. Thing that I personally hate.
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October 01, 2015, 01:17:38 PM

No because first not the miners but the technology regulate bitcoin.Then the technology regulate the digital bitcoin The digital currency, the currency of internet). The papers bitcoin (the banknotes) will be another thing. If it will be produced (printed) more banknotes than the real number of bitcoins then will be trouble. The technology or your miners in this case can do nothing. At least the technology known since this moment in the production of the digital bitcoin (the internet currency).

No you misunderstand me. The miners do regulate bitcoin, because they have the voting rights.

So whatever issue/problem/event/implementation happens with bitcoin, the miners can veto it.

Not very democratical, but still more fair than the political system, because atleast miner's vote is transparent, while political elections can be faked.
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October 01, 2015, 01:07:58 PM
I don't know how will work because first must be created and then regulated but I think like the normal cash of every existing currency.

Regulated like the current printing presses?

The CB just prints 100000000000$ /year because that is allowed by the regulation. Wow what a useful regulation. How about non-regulated currency like bitcoin that is free from this "hazardous" regulation

You are really someone with which is in vain to take in consideration but I am obligated to give answers from the others. Regulated is not copied but doing rules. The rules may be totally different. That doesn't meant that it will be different. May be exactly the same. But this can be decided or made by those who are expert of those things. Maybe from you. Seen that you understand everything and have knowledge of everything.

Have you found yet the answer of the problem of the sheep? I haven't hear yet nothing about. It is important to find that answer...

It is very sad that someone like me which have a poor English explain the meaning of the English words to an expert of everything like you....

I really don't want to speak about you in my posts but it is impossible when I read your comments.

Ok i will disregard the personal attacks here.

So to answer your question: bitcoin is regulated. It is self-regulated.

The miners regulate bitcoin. We dont need other entity to do so.

Is that satisfy your question?

No because first not the miners but the technology regulate bitcoin.Then the technology regulate the digital bitcoin The digital currency, the currency of internet). The papers bitcoin (the banknotes) will be another thing. If it will be produced (printed) more banknotes than the real number of bitcoins then will be trouble. The technology or your miners in this case can do nothing. At least the technology known since this moment in the production of the digital bitcoin (the internet currency).
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October 01, 2015, 12:59:54 PM
I don't know how will work because first must be created and then regulated but I think like the normal cash of every existing currency.

Regulated like the current printing presses?

The CB just prints 100000000000$ /year because that is allowed by the regulation. Wow what a useful regulation. How about non-regulated currency like bitcoin that is free from this "hazardous" regulation

You are really someone with which is in vain to take in consideration but I am obligated to give answers from the others. Regulated is not copied but doing rules. The rules may be totally different. That doesn't meant that it will be different. May be exactly the same. But this can be decided or made by those who are expert of those things. Maybe from you. Seen that you understand everything and have knowledge of everything.

Have you found yet the answer of the problem of the sheep? I haven't hear yet nothing about. It is important to find that answer...

It is very sad that someone like me which have a poor English explain the meaning of the English words to an expert of everything like you....

I really don't want to speak about you in my posts but it was impossible when I read your comments.

Ok i will disregard the personal attacks here.

So to answer your question: bitcoin is regulated. It is self-regulated.

The miners regulate bitcoin. We dont need other entity to do so.

Is that satisfy your question?
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October 01, 2015, 12:57:29 PM
I don't know how will work because first must be created and then regulated but I think like the normal cash of every existing currency.

Regulated like the current printing presses?

The CB just prints 100000000000$ /year because that is allowed by the regulation. Wow what a useful regulation. How about non-regulated currency like bitcoin that is free from this "hazardous" regulation

You are really someone with which is in vain to take in consideration but I am obligated to give answers from the others. Regulated is not copied but doing rules. The rules may be totally different. That doesn't meant that it will be different. May be exactly the same. But this can be decided or made by those who are expert of those things. Maybe from you. Seen that you understand everything and have knowledge of everything.

Have you found yet the answer of the problem of the sheep? I haven't hear yet nothing about. It is important to find that answer...

It is very sad that someone like me which have a poor English explain the meaning of the English words to an expert of everything like you....

I really don't want to speak about you in my posts but it was impossible when I read your comments.
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October 01, 2015, 12:28:14 PM
I don't know how will work because first must be created and then regulated but I think like the normal cash of every existing currency.

Regulated like the current printing presses?

The CB just prints 100000000000$ /year because that is allowed by the regulation. Wow what a useful regulation. How about non-regulated currency like bitcoin that is free from this "hazardous" regulation
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October 01, 2015, 11:30:09 AM

So how does that works ? is that like paper wallet or something else?
well if the problem is internet connection,what about using paper wallet or maybe some kind of like gift card or voucher in bitcoin, i just dont understand how it physical bitcoin's work

Perhaps it's as simple as the QR code printed on the coin being the private key to a bitcoin address. Whoever then has the coin, controls the private key. But this still doesn't make a digital object physical. You could still control the bitcoins without the physical coin if you knew the private key.

Yeah it that means its function like a paper wallet, the point is private key if someone has take your private key from that coin,and take the amount so that coin it just a empty coin right?
this is why the physical bitcoin its better just for collection,just in my humble opinion
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September 30, 2015, 01:57:14 PM
why do people need to create a physical bitcoin? actually i dont get it, as far as i know that bitcoin is peer to peer electronic cash system which is we need internet connection for doing transaction, bitcoin is helping us to make our transaction more simple without carrying your physical money,and hold on, there is QR code over there what is it function? its seems like wallet i mean like paper wallet or something else?
honestly i prefer to just collection the physical moreover it was made from gold

This is impossible to do because have no authority which own bitcoin. So no one can made physical bitcoins which can have legality. Needed first the known of it from all the countries then an agreement between those about the creation of an monetary authority which will manage it and then the creation from authority of the physical bitcoins. This there must be verified even with a group of countries but in this case the physical bitcoins can be used and can have legality only in these countries.

As for the creation or not of the physical bitcoin I am for the yes. If managed rightly this can add value to the bitcoin. Bitcoin will be more and more currency of the people, of the simple people. Because the simple people don't use to much the internet and don't understand which is peer to peer, its importance and its advantages. The simple people need to buy its daily bread, need  to buy the clothing at the store near its home, need to buy the gas for its car and need to give some money to their children and grandchildren. All those acts if made with bitcoin will increase in heaven its "power" and its overall value. And cannot be made if don't exist the physical bitcoin.

So how does that works ? is that like paper wallet or something else?
well if the problem is internet connection,what about using paper wallet or maybe some kind of like gift card or voucher in bitcoin, i just dont understand how it physical bitcoin's work

Perhaps it's as simple as the QR code printed on the coin being the private key to a bitcoin address. Whoever then has the coin, controls the private key. But this still doesn't make a digital object physical. You could still control the bitcoins without the physical coin if you knew the private key.
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September 30, 2015, 01:48:20 PM
I think the government would never admit bitcoin, it is because the price is always down  Sad
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September 30, 2015, 01:17:25 PM
why do people need to create a physical bitcoin? actually i dont get it, as far as i know that bitcoin is peer to peer electronic cash system which is we need internet connection for doing transaction, bitcoin is helping us to make our transaction more simple without carrying your physical money,and hold on, there is QR code over there what is it function? its seems like wallet i mean like paper wallet or something else?
honestly i prefer to just collection the physical moreover it was made from gold

This is impossible to do because have no authority which own bitcoin. So no one can made physical bitcoins which can have legality. Needed first the known of it from all the countries then an agreement between those about the creation of an monetary authority which will manage it and then the creation from authority of the physical bitcoins. This there must be verified even with a group of countries but in this case the physical bitcoins can be used and can have legality only in these countries.

As for the creation or not of the physical bitcoin I am for the yes. If managed rightly this can add value to the bitcoin. Bitcoin will be more and more currency of the people, of the simple people. Because the simple people don't use to much the internet and don't understand which is peer to peer, its importance and its advantages. The simple people need to buy its daily bread, need  to buy the clothing at the store near its home, need to buy the gas for its car and need to give some money to their children and grandchildren. All those acts if made with bitcoin will increase in heaven its "power" and its overall value. And cannot be made if don't exist the physical bitcoin.

So how does that works ? is that like paper wallet or something else?
well if the problem is internet connection,what about using paper wallet or maybe some kind of like gift card or voucher in bitcoin, i just dont understand how it physical bitcoin's work

I don't know how will work because first must be created and then regulated but I think like the normal cash of every existing currency.
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September 30, 2015, 01:15:49 PM
At first I thought that you wanted to say that a Central bank backs up commercial banks 9as a lender of last resort), thereby, in a sense, creating new money through them, but now I see that was not your point. The money that banks create through loans (credit money) is no different from any other money (including paper notes emitted directly by a Central bank). You can pay for goods and services with the entries that a bank makes in its balance sheet and which you see as your deposit account balance when you take a loan in the bank. Moreover, this form of money accounts for over 90% of all money in the modern economy...

In short, you don't understand how the modern monetary system works

Thanks for the opinion. While I see that you are not capable to understand nothing which don't fit with that is the meanings of things in your mind. I don't want to discuss your capacity of meanings.

In a totally cashless system a Central bank would be required only as a supervising body (e.g. to prevent subprime loans). In fact, the first precursors of today's fiat system started to develop even without a Central bank at all. I guess you tried to understand how this system works but failed at some point and came up with mental chimeras as a substitute for true comprehension...

The cashless system may exist only in your dreams. I don't know any country in which don't exist and have legality the cash. Or better: On Earth don't exist any country with no cash in its economy. Maybe in another universe yes.

I guess you should go learn modal verbs and what they mean (apart from learning how fiat systems work)

I learned that the meaning I had for the word cashless was erroneous but I learned even that the right meaning don't exclude the cash in the economy. So my words in the previous post are not wrong. Only not in the right place and not needed in that case. As for how fiat system works you must read again my post about your meanings and your capacity to understand.
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September 30, 2015, 01:11:06 PM
The sharing economy is just going to continue to grow, and governments will be challenged to understand and manage its implications while embracing its benefits. However, governments will be at a significant disadvantage if they wait too long and newer technologies and markets will have already been developed that do not follow traditional models. Think of the following: Uber is the world’s largest taxi service and owns no cars. Airbnb provides lodging yet does not own real estate.

How will local governments adapt to these new ways of doing business that are disrupting traditional business models? All we know now is that governments are a long way from even contemplating and accepting this new reality.
Pretty sure bitcoin and goverment wont work. As bitcoin is free to taxes and goverment want taxes. The most possible way if the goverment want to do digital currency it is most possible they'lle make theyre own digital currency. Well thats my opinion.
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September 30, 2015, 01:05:31 PM
At first I thought that you wanted to say that a Central bank backs up commercial banks 9as a lender of last resort), thereby, in a sense, creating new money through them, but now I see that was not your point. The money that banks create through loans (credit money) is no different from any other money (including paper notes emitted directly by a Central bank). You can pay for goods and services with the entries that a bank makes in its balance sheet and which you see as your deposit account balance when you take a loan in the bank. Moreover, this form of money accounts for over 90% of all money in the modern economy...

In short, you don't understand how the modern monetary system works

Thanks for the opinion. While I see that you are not capable to understand nothing which don't fit with that is the meanings of things in your mind. I don't want to discuss your capacity of meanings.

In a totally cashless system a Central bank would be required only as a supervising body (e.g. to prevent subprime loans). In fact, the first precursors of today's fiat system started to develop even without a Central bank at all. I guess you tried to understand how this system works but failed at some point and came up with mental chimeras as a substitute for true comprehension...

The cashless system may exist only in your dreams. I don't know any country in which don't exist and have legality the cash. Or better: On Earth don't exist any country with no cash in its economy. Maybe in another universe yes.

Wtf, I guess you should go learn about modal verbs and what they mean (apart from learning how fiat systems work)
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September 30, 2015, 01:02:41 PM
why do people need to create a physical bitcoin? actually i dont get it, as far as i know that bitcoin is peer to peer electronic cash system which is we need internet connection for doing transaction, bitcoin is helping us to make our transaction more simple without carrying your physical money,and hold on, there is QR code over there what is it function? its seems like wallet i mean like paper wallet or something else?
honestly i prefer to just collection the physical moreover it was made from gold

This is impossible to do because have no authority which own bitcoin. So no one can made physical bitcoins which can have legality. Needed first the known of it from all the countries then an agreement between those about the creation of an monetary authority which will manage it and then the creation from authority of the physical bitcoins. This there must be verified even with a group of countries but in this case the physical bitcoins can be used and can have legality only in these countries.

As for the creation or not of the physical bitcoin I am for the yes. If managed rightly this can add value to the bitcoin. Bitcoin will be more and more currency of the people, of the simple people. Because the simple people don't use to much the internet and don't understand which is peer to peer, its importance and its advantages. The simple people need to buy its daily bread, need  to buy the clothing at the store near its home, need to buy the gas for its car and need to give some money to their children and grandchildren. All those acts if made with bitcoin will increase in heaven its "power" and its overall value. And cannot be made if don't exist the physical bitcoin.

So how does that works ? is that like paper wallet or something else?
well if the problem is internet connection,what about using paper wallet or maybe some kind of like gift card or voucher in bitcoin, i just dont understand how it physical bitcoin's work
legendary
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September 30, 2015, 12:55:35 PM
At first I thought that you wanted to say that a Central bank backs up commercial banks 9as a lender of last resort), thereby, in a sense, creating new money through them, but now I see that was not your point. The money that banks create through loans (credit money) is no different from any other money (including paper notes emitted directly by a Central bank). You can pay for goods and services with the entries that a bank makes in its balance sheet and which you see as your deposit account balance when you take a loan in the bank. Moreover, this form of money accounts for over 90% of all money in the modern economy...

In short, you don't understand how the modern monetary system works

Thanks for the opinion. While I see that you are not capable to understand nothing which don't fit with that is the meanings of things in your mind. I don't want to discuss your capacity of meanings.

In a totally cashless system a Central bank would be required only as a supervising body (e.g. to prevent subprime loans). In fact, the first precursors of today's fiat system started to develop even without a Central bank at all. I guess you tried to understand how this system works but failed at some point and came up with mental chimeras as a substitute for true comprehension...

The cashless system may exist only in your dreams. I don't know any country in which don't exist and have legality the cash. Or better: On Earth don't exist any country with no cash in its economy. Maybe in another universe yes.
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September 30, 2015, 12:40:52 PM
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