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September 30, 2015, 12:39:23 PM
why do people need to create a physical bitcoin? actually i dont get it, as far as i know that bitcoin is peer to peer electronic cash system which is we need internet connection for doing transaction, bitcoin is helping us to make our transaction more simple without carrying your physical money,and hold on, there is QR code over there what is it function? its seems like wallet i mean like paper wallet or something else?
honestly i prefer to just collection the physical moreover it was made from gold

Because for thousands of years, people has used physical objects as currency and commodities. Credit/debit/bitcoins aren't going to change that on the mid-term.
We love what we can touch Smiley
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September 30, 2015, 12:28:26 PM
why do people need to create a physical bitcoin? actually i dont get it, as far as i know that bitcoin is peer to peer electronic cash system which is we need internet connection for doing transaction, bitcoin is helping us to make our transaction more simple without carrying your physical money,and hold on, there is QR code over there what is it function? its seems like wallet i mean like paper wallet or something else?
honestly i prefer to just collection the physical moreover it was made from gold

This is impossible to do because have no authority which own bitcoin. So no one can made physical bitcoins which can have legality. Needed first the known of it from all the countries then an agreement between those about the creation of an monetary authority which will manage it and then the creation from authority of the physical bitcoins. This there must be verified even with a group of countries but in this case the physical bitcoins can be used and can have legality only in these countries.

As for the creation or not of the physical bitcoin I am for the yes. If managed rightly this can add value to the bitcoin. Bitcoin will be more and more currency of the people, of the simple people. Because the simple people don't use to much the internet and don't understand which is peer to peer, its importance and its advantages. The simple people need to buy its daily bread, need  to buy the clothing at the store near its home, need to buy the gas for its car and need to give some money to their children and grandchildren. All those acts if made with bitcoin will increase in heaven its "power" and its overall value. And cannot be made if don't exist the physical bitcoin.

Edit: Maybe can be passed directly to the credit/debit card system but this is another discussion. And that have nothing to do with the power added to bitcoin if will be even physical currency.
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September 30, 2015, 11:59:02 AM
why do people need to create a physical bitcoin? actually i dont get it, as far as i know that bitcoin is peer to peer electronic cash system which is we need internet connection for doing transaction, bitcoin is helping us to make our transaction more simple without carrying your physical money,and hold on, there is QR code over there what is it function? its seems like wallet i mean like paper wallet or something else?
honestly i prefer to just collection the physical moreover it was made from gold
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September 30, 2015, 11:30:43 AM
It looks pretty fancy, and I see a QR code on the coin, but how does that work? It can't be both physical and digital at the same time. The whole point of a digital ledger is to prove who owns the digital coin, whereas with a physical coin, whoever physically holds the coin owns it. There is no need for a physical coin to have a digital ledger, which means there is no need for a QR code on the coin. So I don't exactly understand the concept here.

As I understand it (I didn't think it over, though), you buy such coins with a premium, where the premium is the price of gold in this coin, lol. So, when you "spend" it, you are left with a round piece of shiny metal (but it may acquire numismatic value with time)...

Or you can use it as a "wallet" later, I guess

I see, so really this is more of a novelty item seeking to capitalize on digital currency hype than anything else. I'm sure the markup on the value of the gold in the coin makes it one of the least efficient ways to buy gold possible.
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September 30, 2015, 10:53:27 AM
It looks pretty fancy, and I see a QR code on the coin, but how does that work? It can't be both physical and digital at the same time. The whole point of a digital ledger is to prove who owns the digital coin, whereas with a physical coin, whoever physically holds the coin owns it. There is no need for a physical coin to have a digital ledger, which means there is no need for a QR code on the coin. So I don't exactly understand the concept here.

As I understand it (I didn't think it over, though), you buy such coins with a premium, where the premium is the price of gold in this coin, lol. So, when you "spend" it, you are left with a round piece of shiny metal (but it may acquire numismatic value with time)...

Or you can use it as a "wallet" later, I guess
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September 30, 2015, 10:35:12 AM
I hope , they make a physical BTC it better than virtual

You mean like this?



It can be worth 1 BTC, and minted out of pure gold, and can be physically traded Cheesy

It looks pretty fancy, and I see a QR code on the coin, but how does that work? It can't be both physical and digital at the same time. The whole point of a digital ledger is to prove who owns the digital coin, whereas with a physical coin, whoever physically holds the coin owns it. There is no need for a physical coin to have a digital ledger, which means there is no need for a QR code on the coin. So I don't exactly understand the concept here.
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September 30, 2015, 10:34:28 AM
At first I thought that you wanted to say that a Central bank backs up commercial banks 9as a lender of last resort), thereby, in a sense, creating new money through them, but now I see that was not your point. The money that banks create through loans (credit money) is no different from any other money (including paper notes emitted directly by a Central bank). You can pay for goods and services with the entries that a bank makes in its balance sheet and which you see as your deposit account balance when you take a loan in the bank. Moreover, this form of money accounts for over 90% of all money in the modern economy...

In short, you don't understand how the modern monetary system works

Thanks for the opinion. While I see that you are not capable to understand nothing which don't fit with that is the meanings of things in your mind. I don't want to discuss your capacity of meanings.

In a totally cashless system a Central bank would be required only as a supervising body (e.g. to prevent subprime loans). In fact, the first precursors of today's fiat system started to develop even without a Central bank at all. I suspect you tried to figure out how this system works but failed at some point and came up with mental chimeras as a substitute for true comprehension...
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September 30, 2015, 10:27:49 AM
I always imagined Bitcoin being the national currency of a country. What if in the future, physical Bitcoins would be minted by the government with the face of a US president (or from another country)? That would certainly be cool, but I doubt that it would happen. Just living my dreams..lol  Grin

You have the right to dream everything you want. Without the dreams the humanity wouldn't be here where it is. Read this article:

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/ibm-federal-reserve-want-create-bitcoin-knock-off/
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September 30, 2015, 10:04:22 AM
I always imagined Bitcoin being the national currency of a country. What if in the future, physical Bitcoins would be minted by the government with the face of a US president (or from another country)? That would certainly be cool, but I doubt that it would happen. Just living my dreams..lol  Grin
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September 30, 2015, 09:51:23 AM
The sharing economy is just going to continue to grow, and governments will be challenged to understand and manage its implications while embracing its benefits. However, governments will be at a significant disadvantage if they wait too long and newer technologies and markets will have already been developed that do not follow traditional models. Think of the following: Uber is the world’s largest taxi service and owns no cars. Airbnb provides lodging yet does not own real estate.

How will local governments adapt to these new ways of doing business that are disrupting traditional business models? All we know now is that governments are a long way from even contemplating and accepting this new reality.

Whether we like it or not bitcoin requires a regulatory approval is a major source of heated debate on bitcoin discussion forums, but the regulation issue will remain prominent as long as significant amounts of wealth are at stake.
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September 30, 2015, 09:34:12 AM
At first I thought that you wanted to say that a Central bank backs up commercial banks 9as a lender of last resort), thereby, in a sense, creating new money through them, but now I see that was not your point. The money that banks create through loans (credit money) is no different from any other money (including paper notes emitted directly by a Central bank). You can pay for goods and services with the entries that a bank makes in its balance sheet and which you see as your deposit account balance when you take a loan in the bank. Moreover, this form of money accounts for over 90% of all money in the modern economy...

In short, you don't understand how the modern monetary system works

Thanks for the opinion. While I see that you are not capable to understand nothing which don't fit with that is the meanings of things in your mind. I don't want to discuss your capacity of meanings.
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September 30, 2015, 09:23:38 AM
At first I thought that you wanted to say that a Central bank backs up commercial banks (as a lender of last resort), thereby, in a sense, creating new money through them (that's what I called semantic noise), but now I see that was not your point. The money that banks create through loans (credit money) is no different from any other money (including paper notes emitted directly by a Central bank). You can pay for goods and services with the entries that a bank makes in its balance sheet and which you see as your deposit account balance when you take a loan in the bank. This is possible since every asset is offset by a liability (and vice versa), and the whole system as a conglomerate of banks is thereby balanced. Moreover, this form of money accounts for over 90% of all the money circulating in the modern economy, and when you pay with your debit card, it is most likely someone else's loan issued by the bank in the past to and spent by that person. In case there are multiple defaults of borrowers (or a bank-run), a Central bank comes into play providing liquidity to the system (otherwise it would not be required)...

In short, you pretty much don't understand how the modern monetary system works
legendary
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September 30, 2015, 09:04:37 AM
I hope , they make a physical BTC it better than virtual

Who are they? The banks? But one bank cannot make money. Only work with it. The money produced by the Central Banks. The money which count and that accepted to have goods in change of those. Not they which can minted by collectors or passionate. They are only to adorn the home.
Theres so many things that should must do before you can make a BTC coins or paper money like, world must take or accept bitcoin as a world currency, must have a group with 1 representative every country so that they can plan how they can do that and make that project.

In my post I wanted to specify only that a (commercial) bank have no possibility to make money but only to use it like everyone else (whether this everyone be human and whether this everyone be business). A commercial bank is like every another common business which only can work with the money but not create (produce) it. The money can be created only by one Central Banks

What you say is semantic noise. Commercial banks create money on behalf of a Central bank through credit. When someone takes a loan in a bank, the bank makes two entries on its balance sheet, with the loan as an asset and the deposit (which offsets this loan) as a liability on the bank's balance. Thereby the bank balance gets increased by the loaned amount. This is how the system works, with the new money being created "out of thin air". You could say that it is a Central Bank working through a proxy, but technically it is the banks that actually create new money (some part of). Ultimately, it is all six of one and half a dozen of the other, since money is still created "out of nothing"...

No other business is allowed to do this kind of thing

I correct my semantic noise (come from my non being native Englishman). In my post I wanted to specify only that a (commercial) bank have no possibility to print (create) money but only to use it like everyone else (whether this everyone be human and whether this everyone be business). A commercial bank is like every another common business which only can work with the money but not create (produce) it.

Then is not true your part in bold. The bank only do its job and create profit. This profit is the money you mean in your post. Every business is allowed to do this thing (create money in your meaning) but simply not in the way of the bank (only because are not banks and the purpose of their existence is another). Every business is created to do something and to earn. Every business do its work, create profit realizing the purpose for which it is created, and "create" (according to your reasoning) other money (with its profit). Just like the bank. In this meaning every business create money like the your banks and for the which I talk in my post.

It is another thing the Central Bank. The Central Bank not only create (print) new money (real money which increase the physique number of banknotes in circulation; things which is not made by any other institution including your banks) but decide the amount of money in circulation. In this meaning that if the economy need more money in circulation it is only the Central Bank (and only the Central Bank) which can put new amounts of money in the market - THIS IS THE NEW MONEY - money printed (created) ONLY by it (before that moment in order to be ready for the moment in which they is needed). This cannot be made by your banks. They cannot create (print) new money to put in market but earn only money existing in the market. Because your banks are a simple business which create profit and not money. Same with the other businesses which create profit and not money.
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September 30, 2015, 08:15:51 AM
The sharing economy is just going to continue to grow, and governments will be challenged to understand and manage its implications while embracing its benefits. However, governments will be at a significant disadvantage if they wait too long and newer technologies and markets will have already been developed that do not follow traditional models. Think of the following: Uber is the world’s largest taxi service and owns no cars. Airbnb provides lodging yet does not own real estate.

How will local governments adapt to these new ways of doing business that are disrupting traditional business models? All we know now is that governments are a long way from even contemplating and accepting this new reality.

The government has to support advancement in currency and payment technologies, which means it should not be long until governments begin to adopt these technological improvements in their own monetary systems.
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September 30, 2015, 08:04:22 AM
I hope , they make a physical BTC it better than virtual

Who are they? The banks? But one bank cannot make money. Only work with it. The money produced by the Central Banks. The money which count and that accepted to have goods in change of those. Not they which can minted by collectors or passionate. They are only to adorn the home.
Theres so many things that should must do before you can make a BTC coins or paper money like, world must take or accept bitcoin as a world currency, must have a group with 1 representative every country so that they can plan how they can do that and make that project.

In my post I wanted to specify only that a (commercial) bank have no possibility to make money but only to use it like everyone else (whether this everyone be human and whether this everyone be business). A commercial bank is like every another common business which only can work with the money but not create (produce) it. The money can be created only by one Central Banks

What you say is semantic noise. Commercial banks create money on behalf of a Central bank through credit. When someone takes a loan in a bank, the bank makes two entries on its balance sheet, with the loan as an asset and the deposit (which offsets this loan) as a liability on the bank's balance. Thereby the bank balance gets increased by the loaned amount. This is how the system works, with the new money being created "out of thin air". You could say that it is a Central Bank working through a proxy, but technically it is the banks that actually create new money (some part of). Ultimately, it is all six of one and half a dozen of the other, since money is still created "out of nothing"...

No other business is allowed to do this kind of thing
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September 30, 2015, 06:39:11 AM
I hope , they make a physical BTC it better than virtual

Who are they? The banks? But one bank cannot make money. Only work with it. The money produced by the Central Banks. The money which count and that accepted to have goods in change of those. Not they which can minted by collectors or passionate. They are only to adorn the home.
Theres so many things that should must do before you can make a BTC coins or paper money like, world must take or accept bitcoin as a world currency, must have a group with 1 representative every country so that they can plan how they can do that and make that project.

In my post I wanted to specify only that a (commercial) bank have no possibility to make money but only to use it like everyone else (whether this everyone be human and whether this everyone be business). A commercial bank is like every another common business which only can work with the money but not create (produce) it. The money can be created (produced) only by one Central Banks.

There is nothing written in my post that speak about the conditions (about which you speak in your post) that must be fulfilled in order that a bitcoin (coin or paper money) can be made or the conditions which must be fulfilled that the bitcoin must be created

In your post you speak about the lasts things. Which seems totally different from mines at me.
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September 30, 2015, 03:13:52 AM
This physical Bitcoin looks luxurious and a very good coin to have. I would like to have one of these. Any idea on where I could buy one? I love to collect physical coins  Cheesy

Gold Bitcoins are winning hands down. Even if Bitcoin is destined to die eventually, those will only get value with time, being few and far in between...

And you can always sell them as scrap gold, lol
Its really made in gold? and i think that is limited edition of physical bitcoins. i hope that i have a 1 of that coin and i can use it as a payment in my country.

I don't know, but it reads "fine gold", at least, it looks like gold...



Titanium nitride looks the same, though
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September 30, 2015, 03:06:45 AM
This physical Bitcoin looks luxurious and a very good coin to have. I would like to have one of these. Any idea on where I could buy one? I love to collect physical coins  Cheesy

Gold Bitcoins are winning hands down. Even if Bitcoin is destined to die eventually, those will only get value with time, being few and far in between...

And you can always sell them as scrap gold, lol
Its really made in gold? and i think that is limited edition of physical bitcoins. i hope that i have a 1 of that coin and i can use it as a payment in my country.
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September 29, 2015, 02:24:32 PM
This physical Bitcoin looks luxurious and a very good coin to have. I would like to have one of these. Any idea on where I could buy one? I love to collect physical coins  Cheesy

Gold Bitcoins are winning hands down. Even if Bitcoin is destined to die eventually, those will only get value with time, being few and far in between...

And you can always sell them as scrap gold, lol
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September 29, 2015, 09:43:48 AM
I hope , they make a physical BTC it better than virtual

You mean like this?



It can be worth 1 BTC, and minted out of pure gold, and can be physically traded Cheesy

This physical Bitcoin looks luxurious and a very good coin to have. I would like to have one of these. Any idea on where I could buy one? I love to collect physical coins  Cheesy
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