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Topic: [GOX] Crime Scene Investigation, Case #MG744 - page 5. (Read 47015 times)

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1. Collect underpants 2. ? 3. Profit
4. We need someone who speaks Japanese to find out if police investigation in the matter of theft started or not.

From a chat on IRC ##mtgox-chat:

17:20:41   Aido  how can a crime be reported in Japan?
17:20:50   yerp  easy Aido
17:20:58   yerp  are you in Tokyo?
17:21:07   Aido  nope, that's the problem.
17:21:32   yerp  Do you want to report gox or Mark?
17:21:38   yerp  or are you talking about reporting the hackers
17:22:48   Aido  Mark has stated that they were looking to file a criminal complaint regarding theft of coins. This has not been done, should it be?
17:23:31   yerp  Aido: he could of done it, but he won't tell us.   A few of us have already filed ones separately in Tokyo against Mark/Gox.
17:24:00   sangbr  Aido: agree, we should do it instead... as our coins were stolen right?
17:24:03   Aido  yerp: OK, thanks. That answers my question.
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He's not part of Law Enforcement. He's "investigating" the bankruptcy stuff.

Yeah, it is this guy: http://www.noandt.com/en/lawyers/nbk.php
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4. We need someone who speaks Japanese

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Get that Satoshi guy, he speaks native Japanese but his family says he is a real asshole.  [shrug]

It's weird how little help is being given, this whole thing is just pure crime, they aren't even pretending to try imo.
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He's not part of Law Enforcement. He's "investigating" the bankruptcy stuff. It's a weird title but he is not what you think he is.

We have no infoabout a criminial investigation by the police regarding the theft of the coins. Marks priorities are warning people of spam and chasing the two hackers who hacked him LOL. Who cares about 500k missing coins?
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1. From https://www.mtgox.com/img/pdf/20140228-announcement_eng.pdf MtGox's statement:

At the start of February 2014, illegal access through the abuse of a bug in the bitcoin system resulted in an increase in incomplete bitcoin transfer transactions and we discovered that there was a possibility that bitcoins had been illicitly moved through the abuse of this bug. As a result of our internal investigation, we found that a large amount of bitcoins had disappeared. Although the complete extent is not yet known, we found that approximately 750,000 bitcoins deposited by users and approximately 100,000 bitcoins belonging to us had disappeared. We believe that there is a high probability that these bitcoins were stolen as a result of an abuse of this bug and we have asked an expert to look at the possibility of a criminal complaint and undertake proper procedures.

One would expect that MtGox reported a possible crime of theft to the police to be investigated, right?


2. From the same MtGox's statement:

Regarding the filing of a complaint or damages report, an expert has been mandated and investigations have started. We will make all efforts to ensure that crimes are punished and damages recovered. Further we will fully cooperate with inquiries from authorities and investigations related to this matter, in Japan or overseas.

It doesn't say the crime was reported to the authorities, it doesn't say who mandated the expert and who is in charge of investigations (Karpeles himself, a police detective, who?). It doesn't say MtGox is co-operating with authorities, it only says mtGox will co-operate in the future provided the authorities will inquire.


3. From the same MtGox's statement:

(4) Supervisor:   Nagashima Ohno & Tsunematsu, Attorney-at-law, Nobuaki Kobayashi
(5) Investigator: idem (the same as the above)


From what I understand, the supervisor and the investigator is one person: Mr. Nobuaki Kobayashi from a private law firm Nagashima Ohno & Tsunematsu - he is the mandated expert in charge of the investigation. LOL.

Given the above, I assume:
- the authorities (police) were not notified about the crime of theft that Karpeles claims might have occured at MtGox
- the investigator is not an independent trained detective, but some attorney (a clerk probably chosen by and paid by Karpeles)


4. We need someone who speaks Japanese to find out if police investigation in the matter of theft started or not.


5. From the same MtGox's statement:

Please refrain from contacting the office of the supervisor/investigator.

I wonder why should anyone refrain from contacting the investogator  Huh
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Interesting article on Techcrunch:

http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/09/mt-gox-hack-allegedly-reveals-bitcoin-balances-customer-account-totals/

According to the article:

Anonymous hackers have defaced Mt.Gox CEO Mark Karpeles’ blog and have uploaded a data dump of customer data that, according to users with accounts on the site, is accurate. A Reddit user created an Excel spreadsheet [mirror] of anonymized user accounts with balances, and many current Mt.Gox users have found their balances present.

The text of the post reads [NSFW]:

*** SAVE THIS POST, MIRROR THE FILES, REPOST, SHARE AND KEEP THIS DATA AVAILABLE ***

http://blog.magicaltux.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/MtGox2014Leak.zip

http://89.248.171.30/MtGox2014Leak.zip

First and foremost, this is not Mark Karpeles. Fuck that bitch-titted motherfucker.
It’s time that MTGOX got the bitcoin communities wrath instead of Bitcoin Community getting Goxed. This release would have been sooner, but in spirit of responsible disclosure and making sure all of ducks were in a row, it took a few days longer than would have liked to verify the data.
Above you will finding download link and a mirror used without asking from Mark Karpeles very own blog.magicaltux.net.
Included in this download you will find relevant database dumps, csv exports, specialized tools, and some highlighted summaries compiled from data. Keeping in line with fucking Gox alone, no user database dumps have been included.
Repost and share this info before it’s gone. Lots of people, including us, lost money and coins. Upvote this post.
We stole no bitcoins. There were none to steal. If you want to donate, you can keep us full of pizzas and beers by sending coins here, 1859rayqN1X7DYjD1BrAHm4vaQxoUhhzsN .
Balance SUM for ALL USERS by currency.
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
Currency: AUD Balance: 924,124.65121
Currency: BTC Balance: 951,116.21905382 <– That fat fuck has been lying!!
Currency: CAD Balance: 320,184.36558
Currency: CHF Balance: 99,487.07308
Currency: CNY Balance: 297,775.78994
Currency: DKK Balance: 112,264.56207
Currency: EUR Balance: 5,634,625.59531
Currency: GBP Balance: 921,892.96793
Currency: HKD Balance: 740,519.14894
Currency: JPY Balance: 384,885,150.13700
Currency: NOK Balance: 91,346.00305
Currency: NZD Balance: 58,224.95320
Currency: PLN Balance: 1,645,194.67364
Currency: RUB Balance: 551,162.54477
Currency: SEK Balance: 15,335.84383
Currency: SGD Balance: 43,193.59706
Currency: THB Balance: 666,464.33497
Currency: USD Balance: 30,611,805.67481
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
Total BTC Deposits: 19,065,241.307202
Total BTC Withdrawl: 18,563,466.149383
————————————
BTC Difference: 501,775.157819
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]

The most important number, obviously, is the 951,116.21905382 balance. As you recall, Mt.Gox filed for bankruptcy while stating a 850,000 BTC loss. This would suggest Karpeles’ estimates were off by a large margin. Whether all of this is accurate or not is an entirely different manner. What the leak does show us is how easy it was to grab nearly all of Mt.Gox’s user data as well as how hardened Karpeles’ blog was. Furthermore, the files contain the app Mt.Gox admins used to manage transfers. A screenshot appears below.



Who hacked Mt.Gox? The leak contains some clues. A visit to the above-mentioned mirror brings a link to the zip file and a note: “I hated working with you. You deserve everything you get for what you did.”

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MtGox's exchange always worked like this. There didn't have to be a RUR buyer, MtGox's bank would have done the conversion and allowed people with USD to buy the bitcoins, and seller be paid in RUR.

Are you saying that the transaction was in USD, but because after the transaction completed, the seller converted USD to RUR,
the transaction appeared in the RUR market? I find more likely that the buyer converted USD to RUR, knowing that on the RUR market
he would be able to buy with little slippage and cash out via bitcoins in January. As for the cashing out via RUR and JPY, these may have
taken some time to complete. AFAIK the JPY withdrawals worked until these big transactions happened and Gox became empty for good.
Anyway, I think that a Japanese prosecutor investigating MtGox should find out who withdrew RUR and JPY from these transactions.
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Okay, if Mark Karpeles is found dead it's not because of Russian and Japanese mafia. Russian mafia and Japanese mafia managed to withdraw their assets on time, which we saw on yen and rubble charts. How nice  Cheesy

Some major arbitrage between btc-e and gox is probably what it was (by someone inside one of the exchanges).
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Okay, if Mark Karpeles is found dead it's not because of Russian and Japanese mafia. Russian mafia and Japanese mafia managed to withdraw their assets on time, which we saw on yen and rubble charts. How nice  Cheesy

Albanians will get him first..
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Okay, if Mark Karpeles is found dead it's not because of Russian and Japanese mafia. Russian mafia and Japanese mafia managed to withdraw their assets on time, which we saw on yen and rubble charts. How nice  Cheesy
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OK. I find something else fishy with the ruble chart. IMO it would have been impossible to get such high volume with little slippage.
To me, the green candle means that it was a huge (for the ruble market) ask wall, and it was bought into. Is this correct?
If so, who suddenly had so many rubles required for the transaction? Maybe the seller and buyer were acting together.
The buyer still had some time to withdraw bitcoins before the shit hit the fan.

To me it looks like Gox had rubbles in their account (perhaps Mark Karpeles bought them in anticipation to flee to Russia) and through some IT gimmicks streamed btcusd buy orders into rubbles Huh Maybe the seller and the buyer worked together. I have no idea why no slippage on a dead bitcoin/rubble market.

It is for the prosectutors to find out.

This looks criminal. I have no doubt about it. Passport should be taken away from Mark Karpeles and he himself should be placed in custody.

MtGox's exchange always worked like this. There didn't have to be a RUR buyer, MtGox's bank would have done the conversion and allowed people with USD to buy the bitcoins, and seller be paid in RUR.
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OK. I find something else fishy with the ruble chart. IMO it would have been impossible to get such high volume with little slippage.
To me, the green candle means that it was a huge (for the ruble market) ask wall, and it was bought into. Is this correct?
If so, who suddenly had so many rubles required for the transaction? Maybe the seller and buyer were acting together.
The buyer still had some time to withdraw bitcoins before the shit hit the fan.

To me it looks like Gox had rubbles in their account (perhaps Mark Karpeles bought them in anticipation to flee to Russia) and through some IT gimmicks streamed btcusd buy orders into rubbles Huh Maybe the seller and the buyer worked together. I have no idea why no slippage on a dead bitcoin/rubble market.

It is for the prosectutors to find out.

This looks criminal. I have no doubt about it. Passport should be taken away from Mark Karpeles and he himself should be placed in custody.
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It just occured to me. In view of the evidence* that:
- Gox was being drained out of fiat in early December (therefore someone knew Gox would collapse),
- Gox was being drained out of bitcoins in late December (therefore someone knew Gox would collapse)
the whole story of Mark Karpeles about how the hack started in the beginning of February, is simply a lie.


It was a lie Mark Karpeles told to the Japanese court and with this lie he managed to turn things into civil rehabilitation thus escaping criminal charges.

Wouldn't it be sensible that someone who speaks Japanese contacts Japanese prosecutors to press criminal charges against Mark Karpeles (at least for lying to the court)? The more we wait the more evidence gets destroyed  Huh


* Looking for someone to confirm this evidence or debunk it
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OK. I find something else fishy with the ruble chart. IMO it would have been impossible to get such high volume with little slippage.
To me, the green candle means that it was a huge (for the ruble market) ask wall, and it was bought into. Is this correct?
If so, who suddenly had so many rubles required for the transaction? Maybe the seller and buyer were acting together.
The buyer still had some time to withdraw bitcoins before the shit hit the fan.
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This doesn't really prove there was insider trading / withdrawals (although I tend to believe it was some).
Could have been just experienced traders who recognized a wave B and sold to bag holders.
Not on MtGox, where they couldn't have cashed out, but on other exchanges.
I posted about the top of wave B in January and of course I was laughed at by the uber-bulls.



LOL, how can I be completely wrong if I admitted believing there was some insider trading / withdrawal. You are taking this too personal...
The ruble chart is new info, looks suspicious indeed. But how could it be? Such high volume with little slippage?

With the rubble and yen charts (confronted with usd chart) you now have a proof there were insider withdrawals (not experienced traders catching wave B or whatever you think you saw and posted about in January).

I apologize for overreacting and using a phrase ''you were completely wrong''. In fact you weren't completely wrong.
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After examining gox prices for other than usd pairs, I think you are completely wrong. On other pairs market at gox behaved properly, except for already discussed btcusd and newly examined pairs: bitcoin/rubble and bitcoin/yen. Have a look. We more or less indentified new (fiat-related) dots - this is when gox was being drained out of fiat).


LOL, how can I be completely wrong if I admitted believing there was some insider trading / withdrawal. You are taking this too personal...
The ruble chart is new info, looks suspicious indeed. But how could it be? Such high volume with little slippage?
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This doesn't really prove ...

It is just a hypothesis that I came up with (after I concluded that the official story makes no sense whatsover) that screems to be either confirmed or debunked with evidence.


I think what we are finding is that Mt Gox actually thought everyone would simply walk away from this as they have walked away from each and every one of the other events of like kind that have occurred in the past.   





MtGox is way bigger though than any of the people who have failed in the past. And BTC is worth so much more now.

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This doesn't really prove there was insider trading / withdrawals (although I tend to believe it was some).
Could have been just experienced traders who recognized a wave B and sold to bag holders.
Not on MtGox, where they couldn't have cashed out, but on other exchanges.
I posted about the top of wave B in January and of course I was laughed at by the uber-bulls.

After examining gox prices for other than usd pairs, I think you are completely wrong. On other pairs market at gox behaved properly, except for already discussed btcusd and newly examined pairs: bitcoin/rubble and bitcoin/yen. Have a look. We more or less indentified new (fiat-related) dots - this is when gox was being drained out of fiat).




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This doesn't really prove ...

It is just a hypothesis that I came up with (after I concluded that the official story makes no sense whatsover) that screems to be either confirmed or debunked with evidence.


I think what we are finding is that Mt Gox actually thought everyone would simply walk away from this as they have walked away from each and every one of the other events of like kind that have occurred in the past.   



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