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So, where is this investigation at now?

Do we know the MtGox 'coldwallet' addresses and their BTC balances? i.e. definite blockchain evidence rather than theory.
And we know that Mark Karpelès and his bodyguard mr Pawczyński left Tokyo and are there currend location is City Sendai Japan, and we know that they stay in the Koyo Grand Hotel, close to the main highway.


2-3-1 Honcho
Aoba Ward, Sendai, Miyagi 980-0014
Japan

Source?
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and his bodyguard mr Pawczyński

Do you know his first name?
uuh no, why you ask?
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There was some irc chat long ago, where Karpeles sent around 424k BTC to a particular address as in to prove that the exchange holds enough funds.


The address was this here

424k proof transaction:
https://blockchain.info/tx/3a1b9e330d32fef1ee42f8e86420d2be978bbe0dc5862f17da9027cf9e11f8c4 424k 06/23/2011

Someone on another thread (Peter R's theory) claims also a 2011 transaction of 432K was done by MTGOX, Karpeles:
http://blockexplorer.com/tx/84f96975ea88d317676771a482c71f39ff53beda790c89c07ae82e427b4d090f
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MagicalTux: Kireji: it's the mtgox funds, which I moved to a secure area until things are cleared

I clicked through one path which ended up on the same address as above already posted: 1P3S1grZYmcqYDuaEDVDYobJ5Fx85E9fE9 with 50K where very small BTC amounts are still put onto, but never taken away. If that were an MTGOX address, BTC would still be there. If you said - you forgot the keys - get convicted and after a certain amount of years miraculously find the key again - you're deadly rich and already served your penalty.

Source
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5545261
http://blockexplorer.com/address/1P3S1grZYmcqYDuaEDVDYobJ5Fx85E9fE9


I think when he got hacked he was pissed that there was 'nothing he could do' so he devised a plan to hack himself thinking everyone would adopt the same 'nothing we could do' attitude, however little did he know that if 'nothing could be done' then the whole btc system is no good.  The coins must be found for the people who own them, but most of all for the people who want to see a btc future.

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There was some irc chat long ago, where Karpeles sent around 424k BTC to a particular address as in to prove that the exchange holds enough funds.


The address was this here

424k proof transaction:
https://blockchain.info/tx/3a1b9e330d32fef1ee42f8e86420d2be978bbe0dc5862f17da9027cf9e11f8c4 424k 06/23/2011

Someone on another thread (Peter R's theory) claims also a 2011 transaction of 432K was done by MTGOX, Karpeles:
http://blockexplorer.com/tx/84f96975ea88d317676771a482c71f39ff53beda790c89c07ae82e427b4d090f
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MagicalTux: Kireji: it's the mtgox funds, which I moved to a secure area until things are cleared

I clicked through one path which ended up on the same address as above already posted: 1P3S1grZYmcqYDuaEDVDYobJ5Fx85E9fE9 with 50K where very small BTC amounts are still put onto, but never taken away. If that were an MTGOX address, BTC would still be there. If you said - you forgot the keys - get convicted and after a certain amount of years miraculously find the key again - you're deadly rich and already served your penalty.

Source
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5545261
http://blockexplorer.com/address/1P3S1grZYmcqYDuaEDVDYobJ5Fx85E9fE9
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my plans are to go into business with him...


and take everything he has right from under him.
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new update on mtgox.com


what it means:

http://www.dcmagnates.com/mtgox-gets-more-time-as-court-approves-civil-rehabilitation-request/


When entering its bankruptcy case, MtGox filed for a Procedure of Civil Rehabilitation with the Tokyo District Court.  Under terms of the filing, MtGox assets would more or less be frozen, with the company being given time to assess its business before a liquidation would take place.  In MtGox’s case, the company stated that they discovered customer cash missing from accounts at their banking partners as well as the loss of bitcoins which they sought additional time to investigate.

Updating customers today, MtGox posted results of their request, with the court approving the procedure of civil rehabilitation and stating:

No forced execution or preliminary attachment or disposition shall be made by a rehabilitation creditor on the basis of a rehabilitation debt with regard to the properties of the rehabilitation debtor during the period until a decision shall be made with regard to the application for commencement of civil rehabilitation.

Per terms of the court answer, MtGox will now be given additional time to investigate the location of its customer cash and bitcoins, before a forced liquidation would take place.  As per their initial filing with the court, MtGox may also use the current period to create and bring forward to its creditors a business proposal of how they could remain an ongoing entity, while providing benefits to creditors. Such a plan would  possibly entail the providing of equity in the firm to its debtors or creating a proposal of repayment based on future profits.

 

good post

anyone considering go in business with that guy is a moron

nevertheless, the money must be found.
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Born to chew bubble gum and kick ass
and his bodyguard mr Pawczyński

Do you know his first name?
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Where did he get money for personal security...he' spending other people's cash?
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Mark will be sued for his personal wealth http://www.coindesk.com/mt-gox-lawsuit-target-mark-karpeles-personal-wealth/ if he spends the money now, nothing will be left for the lawsuit.

But, if he were locked up, he would be safe and wouldn't need a bodyguard. If his personal wealth would be seized, he wouldn't be able to spend anything.


I agree that Mark's incarceration is the best solution for everyone, but even if you lock down his money all he need do is prove that the expenses are necessary to defend himself and it disappears.  Nevertheless, it is best that he and  all of the funds in his control be locked down.

The class action should seek that otherwise it is just waiting in line behind the reorganization effort.

pressure could also be brought to bear on the US Feds to lock down any US funds he may control


All of those outside efforts are good, however it is most important to know where the money is via the blockchain otherwise other exchanges could do the exact same thing.

 

 
legendary
Activity: 1890
Merit: 1031
So, where is this investigation at now?

Do we know the MtGox 'coldwallet' addresses and their BTC balances? i.e. definite blockchain evidence rather than theory.
And we know that Mark Karpelès and his bodyguard mr Pawczyński left Tokyo and are there currend location is City Sendai Japan, and we know that they stay in the Koyo Grand Hotel, close to the main highway.


2-3-1 Honcho
Aoba Ward, Sendai, Miyagi 980-0014
Japan


Where did he get money for personal security...he' spending other people's cash?
+1
member
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Where did he get money for personal security...he' spending other people's cash?
+1
Mark will be sued for his personal wealth http://www.coindesk.com/mt-gox-lawsuit-target-mark-karpeles-personal-wealth/ if he spends the money now, nothing will be left for the lawsuit.

But, if he were locked up, he would be safe and wouldn't need a bodyguard. If his personal wealth would be seized, he wouldn't be able to spend anything.
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So, where is this investigation at now?

Do we know the MtGox 'coldwallet' addresses and their BTC balances? i.e. definite blockchain evidence rather than theory.
And we know that Mark Karpelès and his bodyguard mr Pawczyński left Tokyo and are there currend location is City Sendai Japan, and we know that they stay in the Koyo Grand Hotel, close to the main highway.


2-3-1 Honcho
Aoba Ward, Sendai, Miyagi 980-0014
Japan


Where did he get money for personal security...he' spending other people's cash?
legendary
Activity: 1890
Merit: 1031
So, where is this investigation at now?

Do we know the MtGox 'coldwallet' addresses and their BTC balances? i.e. definite blockchain evidence rather than theory.
And we know that Mark Karpelès and his bodyguard mr Pawczyński left Tokyo and are there currend location is City Sendai Japan, and we know that they stay in the Koyo Grand Hotel, close to the main highway.


2-3-1 Honcho
Aoba Ward, Sendai, Miyagi 980-0014
Japan


Sendai is near Fukishima is it not?
Yes
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So, where is this investigation at now?

Do we know the MtGox 'coldwallet' addresses and their BTC balances? i.e. definite blockchain evidence rather than theory.
And we know that Mark Karpelès and his bodyguard mr Pawczyński left Tokyo and are there currend location is City Sendai Japan, and we know that they stay in the Koyo Grand Hotel, close to the main highway.


2-3-1 Honcho
Aoba Ward, Sendai, Miyagi 980-0014
Japan


Sendai is near Fukishima is it not?
legendary
Activity: 1890
Merit: 1031
So, where is this investigation at now?

Do we know the MtGox 'coldwallet' addresses and their BTC balances? i.e. definite blockchain evidence rather than theory.
And we know that Mark Karpelès and his bodyguard mr Pawczyński left Tokyo and are there currend location is City Sendai Japan, and we know that they stay in the Koyo Grand Hotel, close to the main highway.


2-3-1 Honcho
Aoba Ward, Sendai, Miyagi 980-0014
Japan
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American1973
Hey did you guise know the the US TREASURY, is who failed to protect JFK?  Yes, the Treasury, is who run the Secret Service.  Said another way:  The Secret Service, runs the Treasury.

So, the BTC blockchain, is a treasury.

But, who are your monetary enforcers?

Myself, if I were "King BTC", I would have waited outside mtgox and demanded to know simply, "Why are you still accepting fiat deposits?" and I would not have a problem, giving a tittie twister, bearhug, or even noogies and headlock to him, yes I would also drink his coffee and dump the rest at his feet (not on him, I am not a savage).  I would then challenge him to indian wrestle, I would do some judo tosses all nice and safelike (Japan knows what I mean) just to throw the French nerd around a bit.  Not in a harmful way, but just to see him barf and cry a bit.  "WHERE ARE THE FUCKING COINS" I would ask him, perhaps dangling a loogie in his face.

"I can't say anything!  Don't you understand COPS?!  I can't talk, they said so!"

That would be his reply.  How weak, pathetic, soft...  And law abiding.

Well, Japan is a place of law, and yet, does that accomplish much?  In what way, does law, direct those, who protect a "treasure"?  Treasure = treasury.  So, you need people defending the BTC treasury, not all these MBA vultures who dream of being a billionaire before 30 or they're failures.  Also, note that when your King (like JFK) tried to adjust the treasury toward good-money, then the Treasury may just protect their King with a purposefully slack hand.  Which, they did.

Interesting times, I see very few real men.  Many metrosexual douchebags, but few men.

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No. 11 No. 5, Shibuya-ku, Tokyo, Shibuya 2-chome
    , Inc. MTGOX
           Representative Director Karupuresu-Marc Mari Robeto

Notice of petition for civil rehabilitation proceedings

 
Today filed a motion for civil rehabilitation proceedings in the Tokyo District Court, the Company was accepted. In addition, from the court, and an instruction that disables a comprehensive temporary restraining order to prohibit the Company will reimburse you for the debt, to the transfer of assets, and to the collateral assets, the enforcement by creditors against the assets of the Company , so we received the order of investigation to order supervision order to order supervision by the regulatory committee, the investigation by the investigation committee, as described below, will be announced. Become a place where it becomes a situation like this, to apologize for the great deal of worry and inconvenience of everyone user, regarding. Everyone of the other parties concerned, so sorry truly, deeply apologize. Our company, so we are in full compliance with the instructions of the court, future property will continue to be conservation properly.

Ki

Reasons and circumstances that led to the petition and our financial condition
We have to determine is as follows, and is said to be in a situation of insolvency the company's financial position to be aware of (1) the present time.

Total assets        3,841,866,163 yen
Total current liabilities      6,501,119,371 yen
In the background of current liabilities (2) The Company has increased, causing loss of bit coin, that the disappearance of the deposits can be considered, for this, hit with full force in the elucidation of the truth by, for example, requested an investigation by experts You. For trouble with the impetus of the complaint are as follows.

By the unauthorized access to early February 2014, to exploit a bug in the system of bit coin, transactions (withdrawals bit coin) remittance of bit coin does not complete successfully, and also increased, by the unauthorized access to successfully exploited such bug , that may have been pulled out improperly bit coins were found.
  it can be seen that then, bit coin of mass were gone by the investigation of the Company, the exact circumstances are not known still, but by February 24 or about 2014, bit coin holdings of transaction history on the user approximately 750 000 bit coin, and that nearly all of the approximately 100 000 bit coins are carriers bit of coin transaction history on our own is gone've found is. The Company believes the possibility that the bugs have been stolen by the abuse is high bit coin that is no longer, now, consider the criminal complaint, and we ask the expert procedures.
  In addition, the 24th month, that there is a discrepancy heavily in the total amount of deposits to a financial institution that manages the total amount of deposits of reality from the user, such deposits, deposit balance is insufficient to significantly (subject to change high amount of money is under investigation, but about 2.8 billion yen at maximum) were found. Because it is expected the Company is currently investigating the cause of the problem, including the damage caused by hacking by a third party, then the problem is probably more than one, you need to investigate a huge deal in the past in order to find the cause there. Therefore, at this time, the cause of the problem is not possible to do also confirm the amount of deposits that are insufficient for the deposits and balances the total number of bit coin, let alone gone.
Since the discrepancy deposit balances and deposits balance and loss of bit coin above is discovered, it is determined that business operations of normal is difficult, the Company, our site (Japan time) in the middle of the day of the 25th month I stopped across the board access to.

For submission of complaint or submission (3) offense report, and ask the expert has already launched an investigation and study. Then, the proper criminal punishment is carried out, and we strive damage recover as is achieved.
In addition, the present invention is not limited to Japan, the survey of each relevant authorities and investigation on this matter, we will continue to cooperate fully.
In order to perform a high payment as possible to everyone creditors, it is necessary to explore the possibility of being able to stay in business, we select the playback procedure.
In addition, it is that through the legal bankruptcy proceedings, you go through the effort of reconstruction while doing their accountability under the supervision of the court, but also for our, you need even on the industry of bit coin will develop healthily I am and understanding.
Future, to be able to repay as much as possible to everyone of creditors, because it is committed to strive investigation of the case, recovery of damages, the recovery of the business, you would like to ask for your understanding in civil rehabilitation proceedings of the Company, for your cooperation.

Summary of petition
February 28, 2014 (1) monkey standing Date
(2) a court of competent jurisdiction Tokyo District Court
(3) complaint agent Baker & McKenzie law firm (Foreign Law Joint Enterprise)
          lawyer Hideyuki Yamamoto, the end of wealth Junko
         legal professional corporation Yodoyabashi-Yamagami Joint
          lawyer Shinomiya Akio, the Kawai Kazumasa
(4) Supervisory Nagashima Ohno & Tsunematsu Nobuaki Kobayashi lawyer
(5) Same as above investigation committee
26 years (6) Case No. Heisei (re) No. 12 rehabilitation proceedings alleged incident
For more information, please contact
(is scheduled March 3, 2014 (Mon) opened), is an inquiry to the company as more information, please contact, as follows, the Company, so that we can set up a call center If you have, I ask to have you call the call center or less.

  
(Japanese) telephone number 03-4588-3921
phone number 03-4588-3922 (English-speaking)
10:00 to 17:00 Monday to Friday Hours

   
In addition, I ask to have you refrain from inquiries to the office of supervisor and research committee.
Or more


[Translation from the Japanese]
February 28, 2014

To anyone concerned
Mark Karpeles
Representative Director
MtGox Co., Ltd.
2-11-5 Shibuya
Shibuya-ku, Tokyo

ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING AN APPLICATION FOR COMMENCEMENT OF A PROCEDURE OF CIVIL REHABILITATION

MtGox Co., Ltd. Made today an application for commencement of a procedure of civil rehabilitation (minji saisei) at the Tokyo District Court. This application was accepted on the same day. Further, MtGox Co., Ltd is under several orders issued by the Court:. a preservative order prohibiting it from paying its debts, transferring its assets or establishing security over its assets, an order establishing a comprehensive prohibition of forced attachment of its assets by its creditors and a supervisory order ordering supervision by a supervisory committee In Consequence, MtGox hereby informs you as FOLLOWS.
We first Express Our most sincere Regrets and Apologies for this situation and for Causing so much Inconvenience to all users and Our Other interested Parties. We Will Respect fully the Above Orders and Maintain Our assets with all the necessary care.

Financial situation, reasons and timeline leading to this application
. (1) As of now, the liabilities of MtGox Co, Ltd exceed its assets and its financial situation is as follows:

Total amount of assets    3,841,866,163
Total amount of current liabilities    6,501,119,371
.. (2) The increase of current liabilities may be linked to a loss of bitcoins and customer funds These are now investigated by an expert and all efforts are made to discover the truth This application was prompted by the following troubles:

At the start of February 2014, illegal access through the abuse of a bug in the bitcoin system Resulted in an Increase in incomplete bitcoin Transfer transactions and we Discovered That There WAS a Possibility That Bitcoins had Illicitly Been Moved through the abuse of this bug.
As a result of Our internal Investigation, we found a large That Amount of Bitcoins had Disappeared. Complete Although the extent IS not yet known, we found That Approximately 750,000 Bitcoins DEPOSITED by users and Approximately 100,000 Bitcoins Belonging to U.S. had Disappeared.
We Believe That There IS a high probability That Were THESE Bitcoins stolen as a result of an abuse of this bug and we Have Asked an Expert to look at the Possibility of a Criminal complaint and undertook proper Procedures.
On the same day (24th), we found out large Discrepancies Between the Amount of Cash Held in financial Institutions and the Amount DEPOSITED from Our users. The Amounts Are Still under Investigation and May Vary but They approximate JPY 2.8 billion.
We Are Investigating the Causes of Problems THESE. Since There Are probably a Variety of Causes INCLUDING Hacking by Third Parties, we need to Investigate a Huge Amount of Transaction Reports in order to ESTABLISH the Truth. As of this date, we can not confirm the exact Amount of missing deposit Funds and the Total Amount of Bitcoins Which Disappeared.
Once we discovered that bitcoins had disappeared and the discrepancies between cash funds and deposit balances, we judged that it would be difficult to continue our activities normally and we therefore closed our site at noon on the 25th (Japan time).

(3) Regarding the Filing of a complaint or report Damages, an Expert HAS Been mandated and Investigations Have started. We Will make all Efforts to Ensure That Crimes Are punished and Damages Recovered.
Further on we Will Cooperate fully with inquiries from Authorities and Investigations related to this matter, in Japan or overseas.

In order to increase repayments to our creditors, it is necessary to explore the possibility of having MtGox Co., Ltd. Continue its business. This is why the civil rehabilitation procedure has been chosen, Rebuilding MtGox Co., Ltd under the supervision of the Court in a Legally organized procedure while giving proper Explanations Will not BE for the Sole Benefit of the company but for the whole of That bitcoin Community.
All Efforts Will Now BE made ​​to restore the business and recover Damages to Repay Debts to Creditors. We Hope for the understanding and cooperation of all.

Outline of the application
(1) Application date February 28, 2014
(2) Jurisdiction Tokyo District Court
(3) Counsel of applicant
Baker & McKenzie (Gaikokuho Joint Enterprise)
Attorney-at-law Junko Suetomi
Attorney-at-law Hideyuki Yamamoto
Yodoyabashi & Yamagami Legal Professional Corporation
Attorney-at-law Akio Shinomiya
Attorney-at-law Kazumasa Kawai

(4) Supervisor Nagashima Ohno & Tsunematsu
Attorney-at-law Nobuaki Kobayashi
(5) Investigator idem
(6) Case no. 2014 (sai) 12Civil rehabilitation commencement application

Contact information
. A Call Center HAS Been established to respond to all inquiries The Call Center IS Planned to start on March 3, 2014 All inquiries to MtGox Co, Ltd SHOULD BE made ​​to the telephone number Following:...
Telephone number +81 3-4588 -3921 (in Japanese)
Telephone number +81 3-4588-3922 (in English)
Working hours Monday to Friday 10am to 5pm (Japan time)

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So, where is this investigation at now?

Do we know the MtGox 'coldwallet' addresses and their BTC balances? i.e. definite blockchain evidence rather than theory.
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