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April 29, 2014, 10:52:49 PM
will this mod work with hashra controla?
The mod will work for any mining software, you just need to change the chip frequency.

Nervous to attempt, but an extra 100 khsh across 20 miners translates to an extra 2Mhsh. Anyone want to share any best practices aside from OP?

I did the 49.9k mod on all 14 of my gridseeds and I'm glad I did. I'm running CPUminer and all of my chips are stable at 1200mhz and up. The pool and CPUminer and both reporting very close to each other so I'm happy!!

Thanks for the follow up; can you list the tools/hardware you used and your new hash rate? Also if possible, anyone know the page in thus thread where I find the 49.9k mod offhand?
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April 29, 2014, 10:31:53 PM
@Happydaze -  what you might try to check is the voltage on the vIN pins on the gc3355 chips.  Test them all, ones that vary may lead to another clue as to where the fault is.  Between looking at the board and the schematics you can likely trace back the supply voltage line and test at various points along the way to try and narrow down the possibilities.

I will try to.  Thanks for the suggestion.  I'll keep posting what I find as clues for anyone that can help me.  For example I've found that with the 3 working chips at 1000MHz single mode mining the damaged pod is drawing 34 watts with a 47.5k resistor in the R139 spot.  I think that is high so I did not let it run unattended overnight.  I ran it this morning and it still finds 3 chips.  I'll work on it this afternoon.


hmm, sounds like the work of a hidden dummy load... Wink that's WAY too high for only 3 working chips, keep searching.....something's still drawing too much current - it could be those chips pulling too much current too due to being compromised by previous problem. They still might end up being declared 'shot' and the chips will all have to be replaced. Could be a faulty support or driver component sucking too much current otherwise. keep lookin Wink

Well I found the dummy load.  Actually it found me ......  

I think Gridseed numbers the chips 1,2,3,4,5
Cpuminer numbers the chips 0,1,2,3,4
Anyway, using cpuminer numbering this morning chips 2,3 & 4 were working. Chips 0 and 1 were not working.  Wattage was too high at 34w.
Chip 1 (M2 in the center I assume) is no more.  I removed what was left of it after it went up in smoke.

Now chips 0 and 4 are working. Watts are much reduced, only 14.5w at 1000MHz with the two chips working.  I feel more confident about it with the low watts. Around 170 kh/s reported by cpuminer and the pool after several hours. Very stable.

I'm assuming chip 1 connections to the board permitted chips 2 & 3 to work this morning but also prevented chip 0 from working.  Removing chip 1 allowed chip 0 to work but now prevents chips 2 & 3 from working. A 2 chip expected wattage pod is ok after that meltdown but a 4 chip pod would be better!  I need to figure out if there is some way to bring chips 2 & 3 back online. Maybe a bridge of some sort?

Without my looking at the schematic, I can easily assume that there are some common connections that are completed by each chip's bridged pins. I recall there being several. Make sure, as per the schematic, that those pins are still bridged and if not, bridge them. That may take care of getting the other 2 chips working. Check and re-connect or bridge any pins that were disconnected, compromised or damaged by the bad chip or the removal thereof.
It's possible that the other two chips went bad when chip 1 went SNAP! FIZZZZZZZZZZ! and released its magic black smoke  Cry
I think you're on the right track. Keep it up and you'll have it all figured out and working again in no time.
I wonder if we can order the actual chips ready to go now?
Good luck, mate!
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April 29, 2014, 10:16:36 PM
I have 1 grid which I have modded which seems to be getting much more HW errors @ 1200mhz than all my other grids.. All mine are 0-5HW< per 24 hr and this one is like 100 HW per 24 Hr I have applied cooling to the top and bottom, but still happening I wonder what else there is to try... I mean its still fully functional the shares are sitting just below the others.. so I can keep running like this and just ignore it or try solve it or reduce Mhz
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April 29, 2014, 09:26:11 PM
@Happydaze -  what you might try to check is the voltage on the vIN pins on the gc3355 chips.  Test them all, ones that vary may lead to another clue as to where the fault is.  Between looking at the board and the schematics you can likely trace back the supply voltage line and test at various points along the way to try and narrow down the possibilities.

I will try to.  Thanks for the suggestion.  I'll keep posting what I find as clues for anyone that can help me.  For example I've found that with the 3 working chips at 1000MHz single mode mining the damaged pod is drawing 34 watts with a 47.5k resistor in the R139 spot.  I think that is high so I did not let it run unattended overnight.  I ran it this morning and it still finds 3 chips.  I'll work on it this afternoon.


hmm, sounds like the work of a hidden dummy load... Wink that's WAY too high for only 3 working chips, keep searching.....something's still drawing too much current - it could be those chips pulling too much current too due to being compromised by previous problem. They still might end up being declared 'shot' and the chips will all have to be replaced. Could be a faulty support or driver component sucking too much current otherwise. keep lookin Wink

Well I found the dummy load.  Actually it found me ...... 

I think Gridseed numbers the chips 1,2,3,4,5
Cpuminer numbers the chips 0,1,2,3,4
Anyway, using cpuminer numbering this morning chips 2,3 & 4 were working. Chips 0 and 1 were not working.  Wattage was too high at 34w.
Chip 1 (M2 in the center I assume) is no more.  I removed what was left of it after it went up in smoke.

Now chips 0 and 4 are working. Watts are much reduced, only 14.5w at 1000MHz with the two chips working.  I feel more confident about it with the low watts. Around 170 kh/s reported by cpuminer and the pool after several hours. Very stable.

I'm assuming chip 1 connections to the board permitted chips 2 & 3 to work this morning but also prevented chip 0 from working.  Removing chip 1 allowed chip 0 to work but now prevents chips 2 & 3 from working. A 2 chip expected wattage pod is ok after that meltdown but a 4 chip pod would be better!  I need to figure out if there is some way to bring chips 2 & 3 back online. Maybe a bridge of some sort?
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April 29, 2014, 09:09:21 PM
will this mod work with hashra controla?
The mod will work for any mining software, you just need to change the chip frequency.

Nervous to attempt, but an extra 100 khsh across 20 miners translates to an extra 2Mhsh. Anyone want to share any best practices aside from OP?

I did the 49.9k mod on all 14 of my gridseeds and I'm glad I did. I'm running CPUminer and all of my chips are stable at 1200mhz and up. The pool and CPUminer and both reporting very close to each other so I'm happy!!
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April 29, 2014, 08:32:51 PM
will this mod work with hashra controla?
The mod will work for any mining software, you just need to change the chip frequency.

Nervous to attempt, but an extra 100 khsh across 20 miners translates to an extra 2Mhsh. Anyone want to share any best practices aside from OP?
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April 29, 2014, 07:01:15 PM
So to post some good news after the lot bad from my side i got 20nF capacitors today and fixed my not working gridseed *puhh* but no vmodding for me anymore to small and tiny ..

anyway has someone info if hashra wi update to sandors cpuminer ?

visit hashra site/support
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April 29, 2014, 06:29:17 PM
So to post some good news after the lot bad from my side i got 20nF capacitors today and fixed my not working gridseed *puhh* but no vmodding for me anymore to small and tiny ..

anyway has someone info if hashra wi update to sandors cpuminer ?
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April 29, 2014, 03:46:30 PM
will this mod work with hashra controla?

Yes! It certainly will. Hashra also has an updated version of it.
Check it out.
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April 29, 2014, 03:37:11 PM
will this mod work with hashra controla?
The mod will work for any mining software, you just need to change the chip frequency.
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April 29, 2014, 03:34:57 PM
will this mod work with hashra controla?
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April 29, 2014, 02:58:06 PM
For the Vmod3 (zigmod)  is it a 1/4w 16.9kohm resistor, or a 1/2w 16.9kohm resistor?

1/8W...0.125W ...the smallest one...

1/4 or 1/2W ...or even 2W will work...but are too BIG... Grin
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April 29, 2014, 02:51:00 PM
For the Vmod3 (zigmod)  is it a 1/4w 16.9kohm resistor, or a 1/2w 16.9kohm resistor?
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April 29, 2014, 01:18:12 PM
@Happydaze -  what you might try to check is the voltage on the vIN pins on the gc3355 chips.  Test them all, ones that vary may lead to another clue as to where the fault is.  Between looking at the board and the schematics you can likely trace back the supply voltage line and test at various points along the way to try and narrow down the possibilities.

I will try to.  Thanks for the suggestion.  I'll keep posting what I find as clues for anyone that can help me.  For example I've found that with the 3 working chips at 1000MHz single mode mining the damaged pod is drawing 34 watts with a 47.5k resistor in the R139 spot.  I think that is high so I did not let it run unattended overnight.  I ran it this morning and it still finds 3 chips.  I'll work on it this afternoon.


hmm, sounds like the work of a hidden dummy load... Wink that's WAY too high for only 3 working chips, keep searching.....something's still drawing too much current - it could be those chips pulling too much current too due to being compromised by previous problem. They still might end up being declared 'shot' and the chips will all have to be replaced. Could be a faulty support or driver component sucking too much current otherwise. keep lookin Wink
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April 29, 2014, 01:00:05 PM
@Happydaze -  what you might try to check is the voltage on the vIN pins on the gc3355 chips.  Test them all, ones that vary may lead to another clue as to where the fault is.  Between looking at the board and the schematics you can likely trace back the supply voltage line and test at various points along the way to try and narrow down the possibilities.

I will try to.  Thanks for the suggestion.  I'll keep posting what I find as clues for anyone that can help me.  For example I've found that with the 3 working chips at 1000MHz single mode mining the damaged pod is drawing 34 watts with a 47.5k resistor in the R139 spot.  I think that is high so I did not let it run unattended overnight.  I ran it this morning and it still finds 3 chips.  I'll work on it this afternoon.
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April 29, 2014, 09:38:23 AM
It just occurred to me. Shouldn't the GUI/TUI config issues and debugging stuff all be under support/turning thread?

Anyway. I found 2 of my miners dead when I checked them this morning. A comm port reset (disable/enable) took care of it, thank goodness!
But after running for weeks upon weeks without any drop out issues, this is very disconcerting. I don't need pod disconcert in my life! GO AWAY!  Angry

So this didn't happen until I reverted to the previous version of Sandor111's latest updates.
Oh, and I see pretty much the same issue with this version where sticking at over 1200MHz happens too.
Perhaps they kicked off line after being pushed too hard for so long. Not sure. Or it's just a uP fart caused it. Who knows. I am not looking forward to having keep an eye on the drop out issue again, dammit!

I've restarted the latest non-scrolling (unless Sandor has updated it since) ver. again since the previous one has the same 'stuck at 1225+' problem too, just to get them running again.
Have you corrected this issue Sandor? I see you've been busy correcting the TUI issue. Wink
Perhaps I missed an update while catching up on this thread.

Oh, and how do you get the GUI to resize without using all the per-defined settings?
Someone got there's adjusted so they can see the summary and scrolling output at the same time.

Can we get these two issues squared away?
It they have been, please forgive my reader lameness and show me the link for the updated Sandor-minerd. Wink

Thanks!
Wolfman

EDIT: Just fixed the scrolling issue. Like the others that did, I simply resized the window, restarted and voila! Perfectio! Now if we can just get autotune fine tuned and the red/green color indicators back....


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April 29, 2014, 07:38:25 AM
Does anyone have a sample config for cpuminer? I want to switch my CGMiners over to it, in hopes that I can avoid crashing every 8 hours.

I would like a mining script config with at least 3 backup pools, and I am just not sure how to setup the config file, and how to load it with running ./minerd on my pi.

Do I just make a config file and run it like ./minerd-gc3355 --config miner.conf or something? Similar to CGMiner?
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April 29, 2014, 12:51:26 AM
Confirmed it was a bad barrel plug with the multimeter. I guess it teaches me to test these things before using them...so sad...not a bad looking paperweight but still Sad

What exactly was wrong with the barrel plug? polarity reversed? intermittent / flaky power? I'm having a hard time imagining what could go wrong with the barrel plug to make it burn out like that...

I really don't know. Here is the series of events:

1. Newly wired PS (IBM 835w to 11 barrel plugs using 16AWG. This is the third one I have made.)
2. Not thinking to test by plugging in one miner at a time (like I did with the first two PS's) I wired up 10 pods to the PS and turned it on.
3. Spark bang smoke
4. Turned off the PS within 5 seconds. Think I was in shocked for a bit Smiley
5. Unplugged all the pods. Tried a different connector and PS to the damaged pod..nothing :/
6. Tried the bad barrel plug in another pod...started to spark and smoke but I quickly disconnected it. It still works although you can see some black charring on it. Guess I lucked out on this one.
7. Replaced the barrel plug with another one and plugged it into a working pod....worked!
8. Wired up the remaining 9 pods to the power supply and all are working.

Today at lunch I went home with the multimeter and used a known working PS and tested each barrel plug to see what voltage it was providing..they all came in at around 13-14v. It's a needle type multimeter so hard to say exactly. Unscrewed one of the known good barrel plugs and wired up the bad one. No reading on the connector end. Zero...tried to see if it was reverse polarity but still nothing. Pressed the probes onto the wires and it was good there...also good on the barrel plug screws.

So I'm not sure what the deal is.

Edit: If anyone with the skills to check would like the bad barrel plug to investigate let me know. I will ship it out USPS at my expense as long as your in the states.

Not necessary. The internal part of the barrel is obviously shorted out, perhaps via a caved in or pinched barrel or mis-soldering / mis-wiring and or it's just a defective part that got through QC without being picked up on. It happens.
From now on make darn sure you test all plugs and if needs be, jacks / receptacles with a DVM or the analog equivalent and use the 0 ohm or short test with beep when shorted so you know if it's open or short and verify voltage and polarity are correct with the proper meter setting. Yes it's DC not AC for you greenhorns  Cheesy
I have 99 male coaxial power connectors with screw on type wire terminals and they allow for testing in or out of circuit. Nice!
I'll post pics of my new rig when she's all fired up and hashin in the cash! Wink
Woof! Woof!
 

Thanks Wolfey. You gave me the idea to check the bad plug for continuity. I set the multimeter to the dial position you use to calibrate it by touching the two probes together (0 ohm) to test the barrel plug. Well it looks like the "-" screw connector goes to the center of the plug !  Angry

The "+" screw connector does not get a reading at all on either the inside or outside of the plug.

Checked the 16 remaining screw type barrel plugs I have left over and their all fine. Guess I had 1 out of the 50 that was bad. Soooo sad Cry
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April 29, 2014, 12:18:57 AM
Hey everyone.

I had a Gridseed 5 chip that came from gawminers that would not hash at all, it detected, but always got 0khash no matter what I did, even trying two separate computers, swapping cables, etc.. I was ready to RMA the miner, but as a last ditch effort, I remember back to my xbox 360 RROD days and thought I would try to reflow the solder with a heatgun. To my surprise... the gridseed now works perfectly! running stock speeds for now, but I'll try the resistor mod in a few days if it still is hashing nicely.

Anyways, if you have some dead gridseeds, try a solder reflow!

For Wolfy:On another note, I have same issue with autotune. It eventually makes the pods run higher than is efficient. Even if it doesn't get hardware errors, I notice that sometimes hashrate suffers. I've resorted to manually programming mhz on alll the pods based on the data I gather using autotune, my hashrate doesn't suffer that way. Would be interested to know the autotune formula. It seems that chips can stop being efficient at higher clocks without triggering HW errors anyways.

For Sandor: Just wanted to say, now using your new miner on both windows and raspberry pi... very stable (when not using --debug or --log). cgminer on my raspberry pi would die every hour, your cpuminer is running like a champ for hours and hours.
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April 28, 2014, 10:26:45 PM
Hey nst6563,
what commands did you use to get both the summary and scrolling print out? I can only get one or the other..DOH!
Tanks!

Wolfey - here's the command I'm using.  I didn't enter anything special that I know of to get both the summary at the top as well as the scrolling data.

Code:
minerd-gc3355.exe --gc3355=\\.\COM8,\\.\COM9,\\.\COM10 --gc3355-freq=\\.\COM8:1200:0,\\.\COM8:1150:1,\\.[b]\COM8:11750:2,[/b]\\.\COM8:600:3,\\.\COM8:1175:4,\\.\COM9:1225:0,\\.\COM9:1200:1,\\.\COM9:1225:2,\\.\COM9:1225:3,\\.\COM9:1225:4,\\.\COM10:1225:0,\\.\COM10:1275:1,\\.\COM10:1250:2,\\.\COM10:1250:3,\\.\COM10:1275:4 --gc3355-autotune --url=stratum+tcp://pool.manicminer.in:3333 --userpass user:pass


                                                   \COM8:11750:2,
Thanks. I'll chk it out. You sure about that? ^^^^^^^ I wish! Wink

Crap...forgot to remove the typo.  I cut and pasted from a previous post lol. 
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