As the groupbuy failed, at least for some of us, I would like to have half of the fee reimbursed.
Thanks and best regards,
ilpirata79
Topic: [Group buy] Avalon chips Escrow John K / Please check refund list until Sunday - page 10. (Read 50958 times)
September 24, 2013, 05:18:11 PM
September 23, 2013, 08:03:20 PM
When should we expect to see refunds roll out?
September 23, 2013, 10:47:47 AM
Final refund list GB1
#1, 35, pajak666, 36; 0,07821; 1P4J4Kcib7WEQGxtdcjEwXsDnDJ5BYkpPy
#1, 35, pajak666, 36; 0,07821; 1P4J4Kcib7WEQGxtdcjEwXsDnDJ5BYkpPy
WTF? I am going to recieve 0.07821 BTC refund for 3.06 BTC payed??
my email looked like this:
#1, 35, pajak666, 36; 3.06; 1P4J4Kcib7WEQGxtdcjEwXsDnDJ5BYkpPy
Sorry my mistake
Corrected
September 23, 2013, 09:49:47 AM
Final refund list GB1
#1, 35, pajak666, 36; 0,07821; 1P4J4Kcib7WEQGxtdcjEwXsDnDJ5BYkpPy
#1, 35, pajak666, 36; 0,07821; 1P4J4Kcib7WEQGxtdcjEwXsDnDJ5BYkpPy
WTF? I am going to recieve 0.07821 BTC refund for 3.06 BTC payed??
my email looked like this:
#1, 35, pajak666, 36; 3.06; 1P4J4Kcib7WEQGxtdcjEwXsDnDJ5BYkpPy
September 23, 2013, 03:29:36 AM
Final refund list GB1
,<34>,; <128>; <10,01088>; <1GjAbLU8UTn4YArcGv4kRnkMtWnqe5aq4c>
,<32>,; <32>; <2,50272>; <1LJiC5hmBY7EWrWzfq3NUcsJj4J5HMYcT8>
GB1,38,fex; 48;3,75408; 19bKGxRDdQzxZCiomBQTCJdTuY9hY8MaAG
,<4>,; <16>; <1.25136>; <1L1yVgod8mAhBqQNY1t6mjz9F1RyufDiMd>
,<29>,; <1304>; <101,98584>; <1L1yVgod8mAhBqQNY1t6mjz9F1RyufDiMd>
GB1,8,dimomit,1600,125,136,1JX2hQrwpGf3cFZBM71dHDAkmDUzL3b6D
GB1,36,dimomit,512,40,04352,1JX2hQrwpGf3cFZBM71dHDAkmDUzL3b6D
GB1,14,mbd4,66,5,16186,14YYJPj2GX245Qwt1DyeCRWvuKVeCxEnsp
GB1,Min€r,188,14,70348,17AAr4dEDhgKfpZB7cC4x5Fk35Nm3A1AE9,R
,<37>,; <32>; <2,50272>; <13eNckPoVN2PZJPvZVXt2uopvDBZLRvuy9>
,<33>,; <32>; <2,50272>; <13niA2BjbXg3p3g6YvUy1RCm79AwB9tzgc>
#1, 35, pajak666, 36; 0,07821; 1P4J4Kcib7WEQGxtdcjEwXsDnDJ5BYkpPy
GB1, 34, mitty; 214; 16,73694; 12qGq8GLeqzstyxhJbVY8oEwEDfPhUyYDV
GB1; 31; patica; 320;25,0272; 16muA1AUuKC96zbjd2jYaYpnZkikPuxpxF
<1>,<9>,; <2>; <0,15642>; <1KgAdXtY9yMeKpJiPzfNWwRPp76WZBJZHJ>
,<7>,; <980>; <76,6458>; <173Qmir9hTmvkb3Cmvgj78AV2CjL5azZYS>
GB1,34,ilpirata79; 64; 5,00544; 1UKmHLagJ69SA4gWGMKcNdk5i7FJy6Vqp
,<15>,; <192>; <15,01632>; <1DKaP1CCaEFBBZFMFKHey11SULgptSSdXU>
1, 22, cha0z97; 80;6,2568;19Sy1mEGGJFLv2fbFwAaFFeVg9h62FtrR4
,<#34>,; <32>; <2,50272>; <18nHgmQwtmPukdLBjPeGucsBx6cPmPKuqU>;
GB1,34,jshinra;32;2,50272;1EH5cF2ESNrv7kD8mFTt35jseryaW8aZsT
Quote
GB1,38,fex; 48;3,75408; 19bKGxRDdQzxZCiomBQTCJdTuY9hY8MaAG
GB1,8,dimomit,1600,125,136,1JX2hQrwpGf3cFZBM71dHDAkmDUzL3b6D
GB1,36,dimomit,512,40,04352,1JX2hQrwpGf3cFZBM71dHDAkmDUzL3b6D
GB1,14,mbd4,66,5,16186,14YYJPj2GX245Qwt1DyeCRWvuKVeCxEnsp
GB1,Min€r,188,14,70348,17AAr4dEDhgKfpZB7cC4x5Fk35Nm3A1AE9,R
#1, 35, pajak666, 36; 0,07821; 1P4J4Kcib7WEQGxtdcjEwXsDnDJ5BYkpPy
GB1, 34, mitty; 214; 16,73694; 12qGq8GLeqzstyxhJbVY8oEwEDfPhUyYDV
GB1; 31; patica; 320;25,0272; 16muA1AUuKC96zbjd2jYaYpnZkikPuxpxF
<1>,<9>,
GB1,34,ilpirata79; 64; 5,00544; 1UKmHLagJ69SA4gWGMKcNdk5i7FJy6Vqp
1, 22, cha0z97; 80;6,2568;19Sy1mEGGJFLv2fbFwAaFFeVg9h62FtrR4
GB1,34,jshinra;32;2,50272;1EH5cF2ESNrv7kD8mFTt35jseryaW8aZsT
Please look at my refund remove the:
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September 22, 2013, 03:01:13 PM
These of you who decide to ask for refund of this fee will never do business with me anymore
Well never mind the refund. I must have misread the first post.. I don't want to make a thing out of this..
I would like to order more stuff from you in the future, I planned to use the refund money for other future products. But it will be inconvenient if this prevents me from doing business with you.
September 22, 2013, 01:40:56 PM
Final refund list GB1
,<34>,; <128>; <10,01088>; <1GjAbLU8UTn4YArcGv4kRnkMtWnqe5aq4c>
,<32>,; <32>; <2,50272>; <1LJiC5hmBY7EWrWzfq3NUcsJj4J5HMYcT8>
GB1,38,fex; 48;3,75408; 19bKGxRDdQzxZCiomBQTCJdTuY9hY8MaAG
,<4>,; <16>; <1.25136>; <1L1yVgod8mAhBqQNY1t6mjz9F1RyufDiMd>
,<29>,; <1304>; <101,98584>; <1L1yVgod8mAhBqQNY1t6mjz9F1RyufDiMd>
GB1,8,dimomit,1600,125,136,1JX2hQrwpGf3cFZBM71dHDAkmDUzL3b6D
GB1,36,dimomit,512,40,04352,1JX2hQrwpGf3cFZBM71dHDAkmDUzL3b6D
GB1,14,mbd4,66,5,16186,14YYJPj2GX245Qwt1DyeCRWvuKVeCxEnsp
GB1,Min€r,188,14,70348,17AAr4dEDhgKfpZB7cC4x5Fk35Nm3A1AE9
,<37>,; <32>; <2,50272>; <13eNckPoVN2PZJPvZVXt2uopvDBZLRvuy9>
,<33>,; <32>; <2,50272>; <13niA2BjbXg3p3g6YvUy1RCm79AwB9tzgc>
#1, 35, pajak666, 36; 0,07821; 1P4J4Kcib7WEQGxtdcjEwXsDnDJ5BYkpPy
GB1, 34, mitty; 214; 16,73694; 12qGq8GLeqzstyxhJbVY8oEwEDfPhUyYDV
GB1; 31; patica; 320;25,0272; 16muA1AUuKC96zbjd2jYaYpnZkikPuxpxF
<1>,<9>,; <2>; <0,15642>; <1KgAdXtY9yMeKpJiPzfNWwRPp76WZBJZHJ>
,<7>,; <980>; <76,6458>; <173Qmir9hTmvkb3Cmvgj78AV2CjL5azZYS>
GB1,34,ilpirata79; 64; 5,00544; 1UKmHLagJ69SA4gWGMKcNdk5i7FJy6Vqp
,<15>,; <192>; <15,01632>; <1DKaP1CCaEFBBZFMFKHey11SULgptSSdXU>
1, 22, cha0z97; 80;6,2568;19Sy1mEGGJFLv2fbFwAaFFeVg9h62FtrR4
,<#34>,; <32>; <2,50272>; <18nHgmQwtmPukdLBjPeGucsBx6cPmPKuqU>;
GB1,34,jshinra;32;2,50272;1EH5cF2ESNrv7kD8mFTt35jseryaW8aZsT
Quote
GB1,38,fex; 48;3,75408; 19bKGxRDdQzxZCiomBQTCJdTuY9hY8MaAG
GB1,8,dimomit,1600,125,136,1JX2hQrwpGf3cFZBM71dHDAkmDUzL3b6D
GB1,36,dimomit,512,40,04352,1JX2hQrwpGf3cFZBM71dHDAkmDUzL3b6D
GB1,14,mbd4,66,5,16186,14YYJPj2GX245Qwt1DyeCRWvuKVeCxEnsp
GB1,Min€r,188,14,70348,17AAr4dEDhgKfpZB7cC4x5Fk35Nm3A1AE9
#1, 35, pajak666, 36; 0,07821; 1P4J4Kcib7WEQGxtdcjEwXsDnDJ5BYkpPy
GB1, 34, mitty; 214; 16,73694; 12qGq8GLeqzstyxhJbVY8oEwEDfPhUyYDV
GB1; 31; patica; 320;25,0272; 16muA1AUuKC96zbjd2jYaYpnZkikPuxpxF
<1>,<9>,
GB1,34,ilpirata79; 64; 5,00544; 1UKmHLagJ69SA4gWGMKcNdk5i7FJy6Vqp
1, 22, cha0z97; 80;6,2568;19Sy1mEGGJFLv2fbFwAaFFeVg9h62FtrR4
GB1,34,jshinra;32;2,50272;1EH5cF2ESNrv7kD8mFTt35jseryaW8aZsT
September 22, 2013, 06:44:09 AM
instead of vote I'll ask everybody of the refunded orders to decide himself
That's very fair, thank you. As I stated before, I think you should get some kind of compensation and I also said, you can take my boards as a gift.
So, consider my boards as your compensation. I payed ~180€ the boards w/ shipping and I'm asking you to return the ~0.3BTC chip fee + shipping costs of the boards (30€). I think that's fair enough.
As for anyone else requesting a fee refund, you should also consider some kind of compensation (a tip, ...). Because no compensation is also unfair as marto put real hard work into this.
September 22, 2013, 05:58:14 AM
A tip address is a good idea!
September 22, 2013, 04:45:50 AM
instead of vote I'll ask everybody of the refunded orders to decide himself
That's very fair, thank you. As I stated before, I think you should get some kind of compensation and I also said, you can take my boards as a gift.
So, consider my boards as your compensation. I payed ~180€ the boards w/ shipping and I'm asking you to return the ~0.3BTC chip fee + shipping costs of the boards (30€). I think that's fair enough.
As for anyone else requesting a fee refund, you should also consider some kind of compensation (a tip, ...). Because no compensation is also unfair as marto put real hard work into this.
September 22, 2013, 04:43:57 AM
[edit: nevermind?]
September 22, 2013, 02:15:35 AM
If you all decide I did a crapy job I 'll refund it to you too.
Just post here if you want this fee refunded too.
Just post here if you want this fee refunded too.
I would take advantage of the "gifts" and get the fee back.
16muA1AUuKC96zbjd2jYaYpnZkikPuxpxF
10x
September 22, 2013, 01:23:39 AM
i've already sent an email asking for a refund, but I will go ahead and post it here as well. i hope I got this right this time, as I don't understand the format yet.
Even though I just bought in, and want a refund, I would still like to pay your fee. Thank you, Martin, for all of your hard work.
,<#34>,; <32>; <2.4752>;
H1wbLWo1AGyyBtw15wEfTuoDe02ddQMEMctbpXc3XFI19JTC6s9nT4dg9T6vVKA7qVobt6y4wvBgymB n9KeFHIg=
Yesterday I go a request no to refund this, now refund againEven though I just bought in, and want a refund, I would still like to pay your fee. Thank you, Martin, for all of your hard work.
H1wbLWo1AGyyBtw15wEfTuoDe02ddQMEMctbpXc3XFI19JTC6s9nT4dg9T6vVKA7qVobt6y4wvBgymB n9KeFHIg=
Please send signed e-mail to [email protected]
also include field with your BTC address
September 22, 2013, 12:48:34 AM
i've already sent an email asking for a refund, but I will go ahead and post it here as well. i hope I got this right this time, as I don't understand the format yet.
Even though I just bought in, and want a refund, I would still like to pay your fee. Thank you, Martin, for all of your hard work.
,<#34>,; <32>; <2.4752>;
H1wbLWo1AGyyBtw15wEfTuoDe02ddQMEMctbpXc3XFI19JTC6s9nT4dg9T6vVKA7qVobt6y4wvBgymB n9KeFHIg=
Even though I just bought in, and want a refund, I would still like to pay your fee. Thank you, Martin, for all of your hard work.
H1wbLWo1AGyyBtw15wEfTuoDe02ddQMEMctbpXc3XFI19JTC6s9nT4dg9T6vVKA7qVobt6y4wvBgymB n9KeFHIg=
September 21, 2013, 11:27:59 PM
When I receive my miners from Martin ( made with chips from a different group buy ) I will tip martin some coin to help offset all these gifts as I really appreciate the work and effort he has done for all involved. 
+1
September 21, 2013, 10:41:21 PM
When I receive my miners from Martin ( made with chips from a different group buy ) I will tip martin some coin to help offset all these gifts as I really appreciate the work and effort he has done for all involved.
September 21, 2013, 09:50:25 PM
If you all decide I did a crapy job I 'll refund it to you too.
Just post here if you want this fee refunded too.
These of you who decide to ask for refund of this fee will never do business with me anymore
Martin
Just post here if you want this fee refunded too.
These of you who decide to ask for refund of this fee will never do business with me anymore
Martin
I would take advantage of the "gifts" and get the fee back.
16muA1AUuKC96zbjd2jYaYpnZkikPuxpxF
10x
September 21, 2013, 06:10:46 PM
I don't nor can't see the point of this to be decided by vote, signed message, etc. Whoever feels that he/she must leave the fee to marto74, should leave it. Whoever does not feel this way - he/she shouldn't.
After all, everybody blames on Avalon for missed obligations - the group buyers didn't get their chips, had blocked coins for more than 3 months, in which time frame many things could have happened with this coins if they were in hand. Same goes to Martin, if somebody claims his/her fee to be returned, he can blame it on Avalon, as we all do.
As for me, I didn't order any boards for Martin, I have 11 avalon reference design units in cartoon box next to me, for which I throw my time and money beside the fee for the chips and I don't feel I have to leave the fee to Martin, so I'll be glad to get it back, sorry.
If we assume that jkminkov would have voted against the fee, the votes for his 980 chips are missing. Also, I think that mainly people who requested a refund will vote against the fee (everybody else gets the chips for the conditions they agreed to, so no reason to vote against the fee). Currently, there are refund requests for 5557 chips [1]. If you exclude jkminkov's 980, there are 4577. So even if everybody who requested a refund, votes against the fee, it is impossible to reach over 5000 votes (50% of group buy).
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate your work on the ASIC hardware. I'm just not sure if this is a fair vote. Why have a vote if the outcome is clear as day?
[1] sum of chips from https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3201799
You are right .
instead of vote I'll ask everybody of the refunded orders to decide himself
OkAfter all, everybody blames on Avalon for missed obligations - the group buyers didn't get their chips, had blocked coins for more than 3 months, in which time frame many things could have happened with this coins if they were in hand. Same goes to Martin, if somebody claims his/her fee to be returned, he can blame it on Avalon, as we all do.
As for me, I didn't order any boards for Martin, I have 11 avalon reference design units in cartoon box next to me, for which I throw my time and money beside the fee for the chips and I don't feel I have to leave the fee to Martin, so I'll be glad to get it back, sorry.
My fee of 7 % will be voted in Monday by all participants excluding jkminkov
If we assume that jkminkov would have voted against the fee, the votes for his 980 chips are missing. Also, I think that mainly people who requested a refund will vote against the fee (everybody else gets the chips for the conditions they agreed to, so no reason to vote against the fee). Currently, there are refund requests for 5557 chips [1]. If you exclude jkminkov's 980, there are 4577. So even if everybody who requested a refund, votes against the fee, it is impossible to reach over 5000 votes (50% of group buy).
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate your work on the ASIC hardware. I'm just not sure if this is a fair vote. Why have a vote if the outcome is clear as day?
[1] sum of chips from https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3201799
instead of vote I'll ask everybody of the refunded orders to decide himself
you'll get it in 25 days.
Consider your fee in this group as a gift
Regards: Martin
September 21, 2013, 06:00:51 PM
I don't nor can't see the point of this to be decided by vote, signed message, etc. Whoever feels that he/she must leave the fee to marto74, should leave it. Whoever does not feel this way - he/she shouldn't.
After all, everybody blames on Avalon for missed obligations - the group buyers didn't get their chips, had blocked coins for more than 3 months, in which time frame many things could have happened with this coins if they were in hand. Same goes to Martin, if somebody claims his/her fee to be returned, he can blame it on Avalon, as we all do.
As for me, I didn't order any boards for Martin, I have 11 avalon reference design units in cartoon box next to me, for which I throw my time and money beside the fee for the chips and I don't feel I have to leave the fee to Martin, so I'll be glad to get it back, sorry.
If we assume that jkminkov would have voted against the fee, the votes for his 980 chips are missing. Also, I think that mainly people who requested a refund will vote against the fee (everybody else gets the chips for the conditions they agreed to, so no reason to vote against the fee). Currently, there are refund requests for 5557 chips [1]. If you exclude jkminkov's 980, there are 4577. So even if everybody who requested a refund, votes against the fee, it is impossible to reach over 5000 votes (50% of group buy).
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate your work on the ASIC hardware. I'm just not sure if this is a fair vote. Why have a vote if the outcome is clear as day?
[1] sum of chips from https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3201799
You are right .
instead of vote I'll ask everybody of the refunded orders to decide himself
After all, everybody blames on Avalon for missed obligations - the group buyers didn't get their chips, had blocked coins for more than 3 months, in which time frame many things could have happened with this coins if they were in hand. Same goes to Martin, if somebody claims his/her fee to be returned, he can blame it on Avalon, as we all do.
As for me, I didn't order any boards for Martin, I have 11 avalon reference design units in cartoon box next to me, for which I throw my time and money beside the fee for the chips and I don't feel I have to leave the fee to Martin, so I'll be glad to get it back, sorry.
My fee of 7 % will be voted in Monday by all participants excluding jkminkov
If we assume that jkminkov would have voted against the fee, the votes for his 980 chips are missing. Also, I think that mainly people who requested a refund will vote against the fee (everybody else gets the chips for the conditions they agreed to, so no reason to vote against the fee). Currently, there are refund requests for 5557 chips [1]. If you exclude jkminkov's 980, there are 4577. So even if everybody who requested a refund, votes against the fee, it is impossible to reach over 5000 votes (50% of group buy).
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate your work on the ASIC hardware. I'm just not sure if this is a fair vote. Why have a vote if the outcome is clear as day?
[1] sum of chips from https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3201799
instead of vote I'll ask everybody of the refunded orders to decide himself
September 21, 2013, 05:50:26 PM
Ok, in this case I would like the fee back ...
Thx.
you'll get it in 25 days.
Consider your fee in this group as a gift
Regards: Martin
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