Topic: [Group Buy#1] Avalon ASICs CHIPS! Using JohnK as escrow! FINISHED! - page 20. (Read 150651 times)
September 23, 2013, 07:20:20 AM
JohnK should get his share and possibly extra. Without him in the loop here we would all would be looking forward to getting nothing back.
September 23, 2013, 06:49:26 AM
I think the spreadsheet that I've posted contains all the pertinent information. I understand that bitcoin was the measurement, and not chips (although why that was is beyond me; it's a lot easier to split bitcoin than chips). This is why my sheet contains rounded information as well, since we couldn't feasibly split chips. I can fancy it up and add exact btc amounts as well, to make sure everything adds up.
It should be identical for original payors. The payments were all odd values due to fees, overpayments, etc. People who paid in bitcoins should get refunded the amount they paid in. People who bought bitcoins should get refunded the value of the bitcoins in terms of the original value, less JohnK's escrow fee and the 1% removed for raginazn for the ORIGINAL orderer, which the buyer will then get a fraction of. That's where you will find the tricky algebra.
Can do. However, should raging get his original 1%? He fucking bounced. I vote he gets jack shit. John K deserves his cut, but raging just kind of left us holding the bag here.
I vote we get 100% what we put in by subtracting funds from ragingazn's chip orders, in addition, I think he should pay for the people who took over and made spreadsheets (of course I did the refund vote so I'm a little biased, then again I did it for free.) At lease have him pay to refund the original price since he has at least 17 btc in chips.
September 23, 2013, 06:36:06 AM
I think the spreadsheet that I've posted contains all the pertinent information. I understand that bitcoin was the measurement, and not chips (although why that was is beyond me; it's a lot easier to split bitcoin than chips). This is why my sheet contains rounded information as well, since we couldn't feasibly split chips. I can fancy it up and add exact btc amounts as well, to make sure everything adds up.
It should be identical for original payors. The payments were all odd values due to fees, overpayments, etc. People who paid in bitcoins should get refunded the amount they paid in. People who bought bitcoins should get refunded the value of the bitcoins in terms of the original value, less JohnK's escrow fee and the 1% removed for raginazn for the ORIGINAL orderer, which the buyer will then get a fraction of. That's where you will find the tricky algebra.
Can do. However, should raging get his original 1%? He fucking bounced. I vote he gets jack shit. John K deserves his cut, but raging just kind of left us holding the bag here.
September 23, 2013, 06:33:23 AM
I think the spreadsheet that I've posted contains all the pertinent information. I understand that bitcoin was the measurement, and not chips (although why that was is beyond me; it's a lot easier to split bitcoin than chips). This is why my sheet contains rounded information as well, since we couldn't feasibly split chips. I can fancy it up and add exact btc amounts as well, to make sure everything adds up.
It should be identical for original payors. The payments were all odd values due to fees, overpayments, etc. People who paid in bitcoins should get refunded the amount they paid in. People who bought bitcoins should get refunded the value of the bitcoins in terms of the original value, less JohnK's escrow fee and the 1% removed for raginazn for the ORIGINAL orderer, which the buyer will then get a fraction of. That's where you will find the tricky algebra.
September 23, 2013, 04:50:44 AM
I think the spreadsheet that I've posted contains all the pertinent information. I understand that bitcoin was the measurement, and not chips (although why that was is beyond me; it's a lot easier to split bitcoin than chips). This is why my sheet contains rounded information as well, since we couldn't feasibly split chips. I can fancy it up and add exact btc amounts as well, to make sure everything adds up.
September 23, 2013, 01:36:28 AM
Cursory examination of the google doc on OP shows total chips to be 10851.83, or 10836 if all values are truncated.
This spreadsheet is a mess. Note to all; colors in spreadsheets are not a good way to show data. It doesn't always sort properly, and it makes it difficult to include cells in subsequent calculations. For instance, a bunch of these rows are red. Does that mean they aren't included?
Ugh. I've got my work cut out for me.
Edit: Evidently chip sales were represented at the end of the spreadsheet. All's well. I'm copying to a new spreadsheet to get rid of some of the crazy clutter.
This spreadsheet is a mess. Note to all; colors in spreadsheets are not a good way to show data. It doesn't always sort properly, and it makes it difficult to include cells in subsequent calculations. For instance, a bunch of these rows are red. Does that mean they aren't included?
Ugh. I've got my work cut out for me.
Edit: Evidently chip sales were represented at the end of the spreadsheet. All's well. I'm copying to a new spreadsheet to get rid of some of the crazy clutter.
That might not be the original spreadsheet that was used. Originally colors denoted short term communication information only, no important information was stored with color. Please refer to my conversations with JohnK and RaginAzn in this thread to discover the spreadsheet that the group buy was closed with. From there, please affix your additional transaction history after reformatting that to clearly express the new relevant data (e.g. chip totals now mean nothing, only BTC paid has meaning).
edit: And, of course, great work taking this on.
September 23, 2013, 12:48:49 AM
Whew, I confirm that I've received the refund from Avalon to my address. Thank you everyone here for being patient and going through this - hopefully we can set this behind us in no time after I get a completed list and have time. Hopefully I can complete this before/on the weekends.
Hi John,
Can you clarify your desired method of bitcoin address posting for refund processing?
Everyone else,
He obviously can't refund to addresses contained in a spreadsheet that someone else has had write access to, as they could have changed the addresses.
There are a lot of refunds to process, just wait it out. What are you going to do, move your BTC to fiat? The best course is slow and steady, as always.
September 21, 2013, 06:57:38 PM
Congrats everyone, it seems this mess is almost over.
I am so happy to see that I will get most of my BTC back from this group buy!
It is only a matter of time before JohnK gets everything sorted out.
Everyone please fill out the form to expedite the refund process:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Db9Xx8NYvjnq-Pm7MmuVgWauTP1qSaFRyemI_sa5DkA/viewform
I am so happy to see that I will get most of my BTC back from this group buy!
It is only a matter of time before JohnK gets everything sorted out.
Everyone please fill out the form to expedite the refund process:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Db9Xx8NYvjnq-Pm7MmuVgWauTP1qSaFRyemI_sa5DkA/viewform
So again, my name is not reflected in the original spreadsheet, i bought the chips from two people in that (dserrano5 and atsecure) - how should i go about this?
Should i fill this out twice and match it to both of them? that's the only way i can see it making sense
You can fill out the form as yourself and have them fill it out. The form is for those who have sold as well as those who have bought.
ok i guess, I'll send them a PM to request they fill it out as well, that would be the smoothest way
I filled out a single one for me and provided all the links and proof on my end
btw not that it really matters, but i'm pretty sure BTC addresses are actually NOT the public key but a hash(hash(public key)) or something.
But yeah, i put 'ecliptic' in the field about "name in original spreadsheet" even though it's not there. It should have been but the spreadsheet was never updated due to ragingazn's situation
I just want to make sure it's not a dumbfire automatica computer match between the original spreadsheet and this form, because if so it will falsely say i don't have any chips in this group buy.
No, I understand and have taken this into account when creating the backend spreadsheets (yes, there are multiple). What I can't promise, however, is that John will use it / them. Ultimately it will be he who resolves all of this in the way he deems proper / correct.
September 21, 2013, 05:47:29 PM
Congrats everyone, it seems this mess is almost over.
I am so happy to see that I will get most of my BTC back from this group buy!
It is only a matter of time before JohnK gets everything sorted out.
Everyone please fill out the form to expedite the refund process:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Db9Xx8NYvjnq-Pm7MmuVgWauTP1qSaFRyemI_sa5DkA/viewform
I am so happy to see that I will get most of my BTC back from this group buy!
It is only a matter of time before JohnK gets everything sorted out.
Everyone please fill out the form to expedite the refund process:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Db9Xx8NYvjnq-Pm7MmuVgWauTP1qSaFRyemI_sa5DkA/viewform
So again, my name is not reflected in the original spreadsheet, i bought the chips from two people in that (dserrano5 and atsecure) - how should i go about this?
Should i fill this out twice and match it to both of them? that's the only way i can see it making sense
You can fill out the form as yourself and have them fill it out. The form is for those who have sold as well as those who have bought.
ok i guess, I'll send them a PM to request they fill it out as well, that would be the smoothest way
I filled out a single one for me and provided all the links and proof on my end
btw not that it really matters, but i'm pretty sure BTC addresses are actually NOT the public key but a hash(hash(public key)) or something.
But yeah, i put 'ecliptic' in the field about "name in original spreadsheet" even though it's not there. It should have been but the spreadsheet was never updated due to ragingazn's situation
I just want to make sure it's not a dumbfire automatica computer match between the original spreadsheet and this form, because if so it will falsely say i don't have any chips in this group buy.
September 21, 2013, 04:48:18 PM
Congrats everyone, it seems this mess is almost over.
I am so happy to see that I will get most of my BTC back from this group buy!
It is only a matter of time before JohnK gets everything sorted out.
Everyone please fill out the form to expedite the refund process:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Db9Xx8NYvjnq-Pm7MmuVgWauTP1qSaFRyemI_sa5DkA/viewform
I am so happy to see that I will get most of my BTC back from this group buy!
It is only a matter of time before JohnK gets everything sorted out.
Everyone please fill out the form to expedite the refund process:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Db9Xx8NYvjnq-Pm7MmuVgWauTP1qSaFRyemI_sa5DkA/viewform
So again, my name is not reflected in the original spreadsheet, i bought the chips from two people in that (dserrano5 and atsecure) - how should i go about this?
Should i fill this out twice and match it to both of them? that's the only way i can see it making sense
You can fill out the form as yourself and have them fill it out. The form is for those who have sold as well as those who have bought.
September 21, 2013, 04:42:30 PM
Congrats everyone, it seems this mess is almost over.
I am so happy to see that I will get most of my BTC back from this group buy!
It is only a matter of time before JohnK gets everything sorted out.
Everyone please fill out the form to expedite the refund process:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Db9Xx8NYvjnq-Pm7MmuVgWauTP1qSaFRyemI_sa5DkA/viewform
I am so happy to see that I will get most of my BTC back from this group buy!
It is only a matter of time before JohnK gets everything sorted out.
Everyone please fill out the form to expedite the refund process:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Db9Xx8NYvjnq-Pm7MmuVgWauTP1qSaFRyemI_sa5DkA/viewform
So again, my name is not reflected in the original spreadsheet, i bought the chips from two people in that (dserrano5 and atsecure) - how should i go about this?
Should i fill this out twice and match it to both of them? that's the only way i can see it making sense
September 20, 2013, 12:08:30 PM
Congrats everyone, it seems this mess is almost over.
I am so happy to see that I will get most of my BTC back from this group buy!
It is only a matter of time before JohnK gets everything sorted out.
Everyone please fill out the form to expedite the refund process:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Db9Xx8NYvjnq-Pm7MmuVgWauTP1qSaFRyemI_sa5DkA/viewform
I am so happy to see that I will get most of my BTC back from this group buy!
It is only a matter of time before JohnK gets everything sorted out.
Everyone please fill out the form to expedite the refund process:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Db9Xx8NYvjnq-Pm7MmuVgWauTP1qSaFRyemI_sa5DkA/viewform
I filled the form; 33 chips refund requested; same wallet, same nickname.
September 20, 2013, 09:18:39 AM
Whew, I confirm that I've received the refund from Avalon to my address. Thank you everyone here for being patient and going through this - hopefully we can set this behind us in no time after I get a completed list and have time. Hopefully I can complete this before/on the weekends.
tough job, hang in there John and the rest. and good weekend to all.
September 20, 2013, 07:39:18 AM
Yeah .. I am also happy this saga is over
September 19, 2013, 10:14:09 PM
Very good news John. Form filled out redfleghm's form for 915 chip refund to: 1BjoVoDPzMpNXoyBZ6cK5qJ5nxxQcu8mWS
bigben's spreadsheet also reflects the correct total.
bigben's spreadsheet also reflects the correct total.
For everyone's information I sent John a PM with a link to the form submissions (live so he'll see any that you submit even now), the link to Ben's spreadsheet, and finally an Excel sheet that makes it pretty (and does some formatting that you can't do in Google Docs).
September 19, 2013, 12:32:20 PM
Very good news John. Form filled out redfleghm's form for 915 chip refund to: 1BjoVoDPzMpNXoyBZ6cK5qJ5nxxQcu8mWS
bigben's spreadsheet also reflects the correct total.
bigben's spreadsheet also reflects the correct total.
September 19, 2013, 11:50:34 AM
Very good news indeed.
Can't wait to pre-order Gen2 Avalon chips.
Can't wait to pre-order Gen2 Avalon chips.
Do you want a side of Monarch with that?
September 19, 2013, 10:21:13 AM
Very good news indeed.
Can't wait to pre-order Gen2 Avalon chips.
Can't wait to pre-order Gen2 Avalon chips.
September 19, 2013, 09:32:37 AM
I'm just relieved it's over. Getting a refund before the weekend would be very nice, but I understand if it takes a few days longer. Just so long as my money is safely out of the hands of Yifu and Raginazin, and not tied up in worthless chips. What a bummer things went the way they did.
Now, to go leave negative trust ratings for Ragin and Yifu... I encourage others to do the same.
Now, to go leave negative trust ratings for Ragin and Yifu... I encourage others to do the same.
September 19, 2013, 08:27:43 AM
Whew, I confirm that I've received the refund from Avalon to my address. Thank you everyone here for being patient and going through this - hopefully we can set this behind us in no time after I get a completed list and have time. Hopefully I can complete this before/on the weekends.
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