Topic: [Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive Manufacturer Trustworthiness Guide [1st Feb 2016] - page 52. (Read 131512 times)

Whats the product code on this preordered product (which would jeopardise their A rating), and are you suggesting they're making their own chips, or waiting on someone else to make the chips?

Of course I did, and I even SHOWED YOU proof that you sent it to the scammer. Get over it, call your local law enforcement, the FBI or something. I'm not the person to make your booboo go away.

Absolutely, BA should be lower than Cointerra that's for sure.  At least Cointerra underdelivered and overpromised somewhat in time.

BA has nothing to show for the delay, no compensation(minion hosting???) for lost time and have not refunded anyone.  Missed every target date, everything that was supposed to set them apart from the competitors, total shitshow over there.

BA should definitely be lower than CT, VMC, Hashfast and should definitely be in the same breath as Butterfly Labs.

BlackArrow is a major sinkhole with absolutely no communication effort, outright lying to their customers about absolutely everything.

Their specs have been totally missed. No stackable miners, no lcds, wifi's, no hosting, the hash-rent program is non-existant, miner hardware specifications with regards to consumption - totally off.

It's a big pile of chineese horse poo. Their flag product is absolutely nowhere in sight.

I should have converted the 10k USD I spent on their vaporware to 1 dollar bills and heat myself in the winter - it would have been far more efficient.

It's funny how I asked for immediate shipment using whatever method they can to get the low-spec machines running. And just as they were about to fulfil my order (or actually a small part of it) - BAM! They got their original design magically working and now will take 2-3 weeks to fulfil my order - absolute scam-fest.

Incompetent thieves, that in all probability are mining with our hardware.

Take what you will from this in the company score.

I have to disagree in regards to KNC, they used to be a good company last year, but this years things have changed drastically and it can be seen in the forums.

KNC failed on their word not to miner over 5% of the customers hashing power.
KNC sent used and defective equipment to super jupiter customers and did not honor refunds for them.
KNC has a delay of 2 months or more on something that was guaranteed in the contract when the Batch 0, 1 and 2 where purchased, now the current contract offers no refunds.
KNC posts of their forum seem to get deleted, I had made a post on their forum, and a customer made a link to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=601855.40  my post was deleted, and a message that person sent me was made unavailable by KNC.
KNC is late on delivery with the Neptunes.

Under those conditions I fail to see how KNC would be B rated, I would personally rate it D-.

At any time refunds could stop, I see no other reason for the delays, since the production on Neptunes was limited to 12000 for each batch, and based on a survey I the number of refund is about 30%, thats about 1080 Neptunes, we could safely assume a ballpark of 1000 Neptunes being refunded, over a 6 month period, thats about 8 Neptunes per day on average, how is it possible that they are not keeping up?

They are late, since on Batch 2 was promised a delivery on Q1/Q2 and a month later than batch 0 and 1, that makes the deadline for Batch 0 and 1 the end of May, and plan B is not taking effect.


My general advice for buying mining equipment:
1. Do not buy from a company that mines themselves, they are either a hardware vendor or a mining company, but not both.
2. Do not purchase on preorders, say no to preorders, that will hurt of all of us and goes against the spirit of Bitcoin.
3. Bitmain seems to be the only honest mining company so far which ships within 48 hours, but the problem is that they do not ROI, the S1 barely ROI's, and when bitcoin price went up and they could ROI, the miners price also went up making them not ROI by definition even with the coupon, it is a matter of using the calculator bitcoinwisdom or any calculator that considers the difficulty increase.
4. When doing mining calculations for ROI, always use a calculator that takes into consideration the difficulty increase in a period of about 10 days, historically the difficulty has increased as much as 30% percent if not more, it is safe to assume 15%, anything less you risk loosing money, nothing wrong with comparing mining calculators, if 2 calculators have the same input they should provide same output, if not, one of them is wrong.

I am very upset at KNC we trusted them and helped them get their business going only to be betrayed by them.

If you go to any mining site and only see preorders, stay away even if they deliver, it is not in our benefit, it is time we organize and support companies that help us, not the ones that betray us. There was a time in which preorders were sort of ok since this companies were starting out, but we all know know that turned out to be, now it is time based on principle to say no to pre-orders even if the deal looks good, principals are first, after all thats what got us to use Bitcoin in the first place for many of us, a matter of principals against currency corruption.

It is a matter of time until some of us get burned again with pre-orders and it will happen.

KNC to improve their rating back to  B or better would have to do this:
1. Would have to honor all refunds in an expedite way.
2. provide a solution to super jupiter customers.
3. get rid of their data center if they pretend to be a bitcoin hardware vendor, since that data center was built for them not us, plan B was an evil excuse to justify their actions, after all they offered the guarantee not to mine over 5% of the customers hash rate, well that 5% is so far off, that to compensate only 0% would work.

My prediction is that KNC will be the customers of their own neptunes, and when they are old they will be sold as "super neptunes", be very careful if you ever hear the word "super neptune" from them, the same for "super titans".

we don't want trouble against anyone,but seriously. a company like BA totally refused any refunds in a forced way no matter what reason the customer request...they just ignore refunds...that's really bad..and no any limited time for delivery just let you wait ..seems when they happy then they can sent you your ordet,if not,truly.according to their so called terms
if they failed and can't give you the products or any delayed.they think they should not responsible for that and that is customer's mistake invest in them...
guys. tell me if you will trust this company and buy products from them or not in the future?

it's really hard for our customer to use our right in this community..so we should unite and support each other..
this should not be the bitcoin world:allows cheating and no rules to this cheater..if the community allows these company like BA exist...no one will benefit at last even if BA...

besides,we, The BA customers, I stand out,warning everyone who plan to  consider to do business with this company and the boss(We will know him at last in someway),be very careful,they will totally not allow any refunds and promise or guarantee to any one..they are not confidence about their products and company...they may don't have the ability to do these business at all...because hardly any company which sell miner will totally refused refunds at all and even didn't dare to guarantee anything to their partner or customer...

we,The BA customers,I stand out, hoping the admin of this forum or other customers or anyone to help us despite we have taken other actions,your help are always helpful and thankful.the BA official even hardly to their official thread to talk and discuss with their customers...so I hope anyone can contact BA and their boss to tell them to acknowledge these problems and do as reall company do ..
and I suggest personally that admin can open a official thread to update the trust Rating like https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/guide-dogies-comprehensive-manufacturer-trustworthiness-guide-1st-feb-2016-456691   for every company here..so we can see who is the cheater...

Well as a friendly reminder i would like to remind dogie LA is now doing PRE-ORDER and promised to deliver ia 100Mhs scrypt miner in 5 months and they have not yet taped out.


They always say "we shipped many million dollars of miners" for credibility. I think it's in dogie's best interest to prevent them saying "we can deliver in 5 months even with the fact that we have not yet taped out because we are backed by dogie's A rating"

My 2c

you didnt want to act like a man and even look at the tx id i provided, then when i put it in your face you said it was a scammer.. anything so you wouldnt have to break your obligations, its not a trustworthiness guide if you cant be contacted with tx id's.. and respond .... so this is a guide where tx id dont matter,, not much of a guide ...this guy cant addmit when he is wrong not much of a man to trust

(You're on, and will stay on, my ignore list). You purchased from a scammer, then flame me because I won't reduce the rating of the legitimate company you thought you were buying from.

Generally, the onus on the person making the claim is to prove themselves right.

BLACK ARROW should get a S.F. for super fast. because this rating thing is B.S.... wouldnt matter if u had a rceipt or tx id. who cares you just get whatever this guy picks feels like. as long as he gets his its A+. there is only anincentive to demote good companies and elevate those that pay out. please prove me wrong.

They've been frozen, everything will be considered during the next cycle.

Blackarrow should be demoted D- or E.
The orders with shipping date 02/28/2014, they haven't shipped yet. More than 3 months delay and units aren't ready yet.
Refunds are freeze. This company recognized that they haven't funds to return all requested refunds.
Their communication are a lot of lies. Black Arrow has an imminent product launch since may.
3 months later, the company offers change orders with a "solo chips" shipping compensation. Ridiculous.

For instance: Cointerra sended their units (with less hashrate) and they have an E. I really would prefer this situation...

Thx for this helpful post and sorry for a lot of mistakes.

Book marked.

Thank you for your hard efforts on compiling this.

They're frozen pending two weeks to evaluate the 'release' period. They'll be penalised if it falls through (or could be anyway).

Pretty much.

I think Blackarrow should be lowered, their delay is now close to 4 months and there's no sign of them shipping anytime soon.

Their communication is almost non-existent and a refund is nearly impossible to get.

If they would actually refund in time i would prefer getting a refund and buy 10 bitcoin with it than wait for them to eventually ship next year.

At this point they are starting to compete with BFL.

This really shed's a lot of light on the situation. Thanks man. I think everyone should see this. Fucking Dogie.. How could he? The fucking balls on him.

I'd assume that because this person either sent their BTC to a scammer address, or somehow this order of theirs got fucked up, therefore they wont be getting their gear from the company in question, that you then need to downgrade that company on your little list to Z- or else get attacked and called a scam artist by this person and others that regularly troll your discussion posts.

Something like that anyways