Topic: [Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive Manufacturer Trustworthiness Guide [1st Feb 2016] - page 65. (Read 131506 times)

If your ant is lonely why not adopt it a brother ant or sister ant?

BITMAIN S1 Antminer sales are open today.

Nice thread - thank you! Would you consider adding a column along the lines of "product(s) available now"? My ant is lonely and I'm having trouble finding company for it. My BFL LS power brick bricked recently so it's headed for the scrapheap soon. My eruptors look like souvenirs of another era. What's actually available to ship from stock? - you seem to be a guy who would know.     

Profitability isn't debateable as a scam, in the same way a $2000 handbag is knowingly sold that its not worth $2000. If you have evidence to suggest HF delayed deliberately or made misleading statements that were foiled on purpose and NOT by mistakes, then they can be reviewed.

BFL may go down in the next cycle.

IMO any company that took money for products they reasonably should have known would not be delivered in time to be profitable, while at the same time lying about their ability to deliver should be labeled as scams. That includes HF and BFL.

They have no to delivered on time already.

then: no(delayed)   the delivery date was 16 dec 13 + psu problems + heat problems ......and so on....... and here we are....


and you call that soft?? ha !!!

BFL doesn't steal money directly, they do appear to eventually deliver stuff, just very very late, overpriced and shit.

They're currently 'No (yet)', because not only are they late but they've also never delivered anything before this series.

Understatement of the Year

BFL  Legitimate? Soft scam 


Thanks for the laugh

bitmine ontime: delayed

Oops my copy paste mistake, fixed now.

You may want to update the information for drillbit to state 'Uses Bitfury and Avalon chips'. As the current drillbit 8-board uses Bitfury chips, same with the current drillbit USB thumb.

The next models are using Avalon v2 chips and it looks like they will come as a USB thumb, 8-chip board, and 16-chip board, but they aren't released yet. Honestly, I doubt many of the Avalon boards will be made, I'm pretty certain they will go either back to Bitfury (if avail) or whatever the next generation chip is/will be.

This company? appears to be a scam


http://www.xtrememiners.net/

Based in Germany. It is, apparently, a legal requirement in Germany to have a contact phone number and a tax file on business web sites.
Company address is bogus.
Phone conversations are apparently being done through VOIP and are routed from Hong Kong / China via the USA.
Email responses are 6 to 8 hours out of sync with Euro times.

No problem. It's due a weekly update tomorrow.

Hey thanks for summing up all this.

Have you been on black arrow thread lately? Have you seen refund request without response? Where you have read that they honor refunds? They do not refund anybody at this time, that could change but that does not change a facts.
Can you point on refund complaints where bitmine denie refunds. Plese exclude trolls and newaccounts.

Look here, black arrow mat does not even know will they allow refund let alone that tbey refund everybody who ask it!!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=294197.msg5020564;topicseen#msg5020564

And tos does matter, if an customer did not agreed on their terms then he did not have to order. Bitmine had always clear tos regarding refund and delay.
Beside, you still did not addressed that they did not delivered theirown asic. Maybe you have pejaduce of some sort, dunno.
Will let reader decide at their own dilligence and not speculation and competitors game.

They can request a refund, but they're not honoring it - hence they receive a demotion in rank. Black Arrow IS actively providing refunds. TOS are irrelevant.

Thanks for explanation, however black arrow also does not refund nor buyer has a right to request it. I do not know bitmine tos, so they might have same tos regarding refund request as black arrow. Sorry, i disagree on legitimacy question regarding those to company. Black arrow did not even taped out yet so how can they be more legitimate ghen bitmine?
Also you defended your reasoning of black arrow trustwothy status delivering in the past, so i reminded you of bitmine doing the same with avalon clones.

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Acording to bitmine tos buyer can requst an refund with 10% on top after 61 days delay.Further, they add hasing power on each 10 days of delivery delay. What option or protection plan black arrow has?
You can not judge whole company legitimacy by refund reqest, what are handled acording to tos and case by case where you do not have all relevant information.
You have delivered set to yes for black arrow! They delivered lancelots and miners based on bitfury chips, so bitmine deserve the same "yes" as they have delivered avalon clones. However, they both should have delivered set to "no" as they have not delivered miner based on theirown asic chips. Again exception, bitmine delivered a1 asic designed by them to diy community.
Finally, they both should have the same legitimacy status e.g. to be proven with exception that bitmine has a1 asic chip manufactured what mean a lot.

Its about the current generation. Its not about being a scam, its the overall feeling about their CURRENT products which are delayed and yet to be delivered. Using your proposed logic we'd have to call BFL reputable because they delivered FPGAs.

The reason black arrow is 'yes' and bitmine isn't is because there are reports that bitmine is refusing to refund. Sound familiar? Forgot to copy in KNC, I'll do it now.

Bitmine has asic, legitimate should be set to yes as they have delivered avalon clones.they also have protection plan in place.
Black Arrow dont have asic, but delivered fpga and asic miners based on bitfury( legitimate should be set to: yet to be seen), do not understand how they can be more reputitable then bitmine?

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Other then that, great guide!
Btw where is knc?