Topic: Haasonline Simple Trade Bot For BTCe and Bitstamp[Main topic] - page 89. (Read 416703 times)

anybody here who is willing to answer my question is welcome to reply - this is not just directed at Stephan as there are many savvy members here who understand the bot and particularly its indicators well enough to answer my relatively simple question(s).

I am using the latest version 0.0.9.6 beta.

I am trying out the indicator called 'stochastic indicator' ...

I have some questions and hope somebody can answer them.

1. The "interval length" (default = 30) - is that supposed to be set to the same number as the "update timer" setting for the bot or is there no relation?
Perhaps the interval length of this indicator must simply be a multiple of the interval length? What is the relation between the two - if any?

2. I see it says "buy at 80 or higher" and "sell at 20 or lower" ... so I'm assuming that this indicator is the exact opposite of the traditional indicator called Stochastic RSI?  (it has buy at <= 20 and sell at >= 80)

3. If so, why not just use the standard Stoch RSI indicator that everybody loves and knows?

I also have some Q's regarding the MACD indicator:
1. It comes with two default params of SMA short length = 12 and SMA long length = 26. If I compare that to the MACD indicator shown on http://bitcoinwisdom.com : which has three MACD parameters of 26, 12 and 9. So two of the params correspond, but any idea what the extra param of 9 is for on bitcoinwisdom?
Are these two indicators the same?? Because i find this one on bitcoinwisdom seems to fit my trading requirements best - particularly when the data is collated into 1 hour intervals...

2. As you will know, bitcoinwisdom can show the data in intervals of 1m, 3m, 5m, 15m, 30m, 1h, 2h, 4h, 6h, 12h, 1d, 3d, 1w
and so my next question is what is the link between these intervals on bitcoinwisdom and the simple bot, i.e. HOW do i tell the bot to apply the data and indicators in terms of intervals of data corresponding to any of the above intervals shown in bitcoinwisdom charts?
At first I thought perhaps it was the "update timer" parameter in the bot, but this doesn't make sense as that is simply the time period between data refreshes - it has nothing to do with intervals for the purpose of collating data?

3. Some of the Bot indicators have interval type params - are those perhaps the same as the interval setting in bitcoinwisdom charts?

maybe it is the program, maybe I am an idiot... but I don't get a positive outcome/profit. Can someone please confirm the following.

1) trading with 0.9.0.5 is not possible anymore, bot signals do not get translated in trade signals

2) for version 0.9.0.6 : for LTC/EUR : MACD-MA on standard settings, min raise/drop safety = off: 8/9 trades are made with an "negative profit" meaning stuff get's sold lower than it is bougth. Did anyone have (on avarage) a positive outcome with this setup?

3)  For version 0.9.0.6 : for LTC/EUR : RIS on standard settings, min raise/drop safety = on. All trade result in "negative profit". Did anyone have (on avarage) a positive outcome with this setup?

Maybe LTC/EUR is currently just a realy bad coin pair for tecnical anlysis..

could you please also awnser these questions if a positive outcome was achieved.
a)What coin pair was used?
b)Where there settings used not standard?


thanks for any help!

Stephan224
PPC/USD pair added on btc-e.com.

Also bugreport.

I`m settin bot to trade 30 LTC. Here is log.

Bot did not bought 30.000 LTC. It`s 29.94 (0.02% fee is 0.06 LTC)
When sell trigger was allowed bot tries sell 30.000 LTC (but in my wallet was only 29.94). Ofcourse trade was stopped and i had to sell LTC manually. Please fix trade fee calculating.

And more. Bot thinks that he does well. In fact, this is not happening. (screen from benchmark)


I suspect that bot calculating proffit also incorrect because the calculation does not take fee.

Hi Mevius,
Curious if you'd share what do you use for indicators?

Also, what is your timeout on the buy/sell reset?

Thanks,

BTC V

If you work at "price change" consider it split in 2 separate indicators: One for buy at and below and other to sell at and above
Is more flexible to use and people wanting whole 2 things can add both indicators.
I agree also  w/ MBTY : Timeout is a very good feture to have but should act on exceptional circunstances: reset last buy/selling  at cycle end works better but probably MBTY problem is solved directly with the indicator alone "sell at or above".

About  new things: sell an buy now are very nice things and help me solve on spot a "distracted" bot: thank you
I haven't lose too much money trying MACD-MA due this buttons. I agree w/CADGuy: Seems this BOT function vs Bitcoinwisdom MACD-MA on 3 minutes interval have differences w/ same parameters.

Stephan224

I thought that this setting resets the counters by timer. I need to reset was performed after one cycle of buying and selling. No matter how long it takes. Apparently I'm wrong translated into my language description of this function.

(i`m using google translate)

hey just a quick suggestion of something you could add in there

could you add the current interval next to the "last update" time at the bottom left

Thats easy, the drop-loss price looks to the current price and once it sees the current price is crossing the drop-loss price it will try to sell the coins. At a drop you want to sell for the current prices so thats what the software does, it looks for the current sell price and it creates a order based on that.

So the difference you see is normal, it is a minor draw-back that will almost ensure your coins being sold. If the software would have tried to sell for the higher price it is almost fully to be expected your order will not get filled. (in other words, you will be getting much bigger losses)

@all:
There is a minor bug detected into the "Price Change" indicator. I do recommend NOT to use this indicator. The indicator, as it is now, will allow a buy signal to soon. So unless you use more indicators you could get to high buy prices.

The problem is fixed already for the new release, but there are 2 other things i will have a look at first before i put the new release online. I do not want to keep updating unless it is absolutely needed.

Well, I see why it happens, but it breaks any kind of profitability analysis you might want to do. Adding 2 extra variables to store the last buy/sell prices when that function is triggered should do the trick.


I assume price went below 24.5, which caused the drop-loss to trigger, and then it sold at 'market price', which was currently 24.988.

Could someone explain the drop-loss feature to me? When I have a drop-loss price of 24.5 why does the programm sell at 24.988?

Create some benchmark files for yourself (let it run for 24 hours straight, do it for a couple of days). Benchmark your settings on all files you got and write everything down and calculate the averages. Change the value's in an orderly fashion and just test, test and test.

You should come up with some good value's, it just requires time to find them .

Hi CADguy, I have the exact same problem! with an MACD-MA 8/9 are unprofitable. also with price change indicator this is the case(I don't know about other ones). If the indicator would gives an inverse signal the 8/9 would have been proffitable.. Your example chart got me thinking... I use LTC/USD but maybe LTC/BTC has to be used for now. a loss of LTC means a win of BTC wich in turn is not so bad I think. But again I am not sure.

Haasonline can help us for sure ;-)

hey!


so ive been playing with the EMA values for hours and i cant seem to come anywhere near what i'd like

im trying to get the ema to come close/match the ones on bitcoinwisdom (they use 7 &30) http://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/btce/ltcbtc

preferably the ones from the 5 or 15 or 30 min graphs, the EMAs in the bot are wayy off from these, any idea how i could fix this? ive tried a ton of values for 20,80 and 140 second steps, any help would really make me happy

i seem to able to find the perfect EMA's to loose a ton of money so if there's anyway to reverse the indicater (buy means sell and sell means buy) that could work as well

cheers

Has anyone actually made some profit with this? Is it any better then day trading?

Maybe I'll consider purchasing one, for trading while I'm sleeping 

@madpoet:
I agree this is not wanted and i (ahum, sinds today it is we) are working on solving this issue.

@kalross:
Is must be load related, i have no other explanation for it. Except for BTCChina, where i still see reserved value due the 0% fee.
i will have a look at the restart issue, this sound odd.

@MBTY:
Use the new last buy/sell price reset in the advanced settings.

@CryptoMaster:
This is normal, also you might not expect it, i agree. Once the reset happens the last buy and sell prices are reset. The bot does require a last buy price and sell price to calculate any profit.

I will have a look if i can do something about it, but i am not sure.

Benchmarking doesn't seem to be working for me.  I set the indicator and the last buy/sell prices, then hit Benchmark button.

A timestamp with resets shows in the logs, then nothing.  No updates to the charts, no additional updates in the logs.

There seems to be a problem in the Benchmark function when the new "Last buy and sell price reset" option is used. The profit (or lack thereof) is not calculated correctly.

I have highlighted the problematic fields, as you can see they show earnings as 0.0 rather than than the value. I guess it happens only when that new function is triggered as there are other working values there.

Stephan224
Please add Advanced option Last Sell and buy reset after 1 buy/sell cicle.
When I used the RSI indicator (default) and reseted these values to 0 manually, it gave a good profit.

Reversed Buy Sells could be to do with the lag and server load issues I think.

Problems are all clearly Cryptsy load related.  Since being in Wall Street Journal, they have new servers/programmers etc coming in.

I still don't understand why the bot can't get my BTC balance from Cryptsy though, since it can retrieve all others?  Problematic as I need to trade between BTC.  Might move back to BTC-E.

Oh...might not be relevant...but API keys only worked for Cryptsy when I deleted BTC-E keys and restarted software???

K

Update:

Screen cap showing stuck open order in 906:

If we have to uninstall/reinstall then we lose all of our current history, etc; right?  Was hoping for some kind of drop-in upgrade.