Topic: HashCоins - Blockchain technologies that work - page 12. (Read 331281 times)

rule number 1 we all should have learned, never pre-order Miner.

I can't produce an actual invoice because (insert bogus legal reason here). Where I have heard that before?

This is BS. Estonia does not have a law that forbids it. And I live here.

HashCoins Terms of Sale of Products
https://www.hashcoins.com/company/terms/

Just to clarify it again, in case it is not clear enough, I am not supporting this company in any way. I just purchased a product and I plan to share the final outcome of it. People presented their arguments against the company and I presented my reasons. I’m being attacked and I defended myself. Nothing more, nothing less. I remark this, as I am realizing that Bicknellski is insisting on the idea that I am a shill account of the company one time, and other, and other just to create that sensation and convince a mod to ban my account and delete my posts.

I will not continue this debate until I know the final outcome. I will make updates as soon as I have them. But this debate is pointless and I don’t have infinite time to it. And above everything, I value my peace of mind and my ability to sleep well by night, and this things affect me: I am serious on everything I write, the same as it was a verbal debate. I will only answer 2 things of notlist3d as I respect him a lot:


No I didn't say that data centers exist, I just suggested that as a possibilility. If they mainly ended in non-western markets I think it will be difficult to find reviews or pics, as Google do not index all chinesse pages, for example.


Both purchases were made by BTC transfer, and my original idea was to post them as well. However, as it was delicate info and I pretended to do things correctly, I asked them permission to disclose that info. They allowed me to publish the order confirmation and invoices, but not the btc transfer because <>. It is really a pity I am not allowed to do so, and personally I don't think is the right way to do things, but in any trade agreement both parts have to agree to disclose that info. So it is their decision. Besides, by doing it I would break the terms and conditions, thus risking my purchase. And remember: in this stuff MY money is the only thing at risk.

Finally, I think I will not post anymore in the forum for a time. After I was treated here, I think that this community doesn’t deserve my help and my ideas. Frankly, I expected much more. I will make this follow-up of the purchase, just because I said I would do it. But I think I am mostly done here. I am really sad.

Happy mining, guys

I still question the purchase. So far 2 have shown purchases and show just a draft letter basically saying about a order.  Both had low activity, not well known

I want to see proof of payment such as someone paying in BTC, where we can trace it.  I find it funny that a letter they want us to accept as they ordered it.

I'm not looking for a review of the Scrypt machine you Pre-Ordered (Assuming you did, which is funny how many low level accounts claim this....)

But take me up on the challange.  You say Zeus is real and on market?  You say it's running in data center full of them!

Find me one review that shows a Zeus working, and I will say I am wrong. FIND IT  I challenge you. Don't talk in circles and not admit you cant find one.  It just does not exist.

And yet you have still only purchased a couple of cheap $500 Scrypt blades.

TBH I don't care about scrypt hardware that someone rebadges and sells as their own, the problem with the scrypt hardware relating to hashcoins is that is ALL that they have and they are using it to give validity to their company so that they can con people into shelling out for the much more expensive SHA256 hardware.

Suckers are born every minute, and if what I write will make someone hesitate for a second and think about whether this is a good idea and whether they can afford to lose $3-4K minimum then its worth it for me to do that. Because I've seen so many people get burned on products that looked a HELL of a lot more real that this load of fantasy hardware.

No one has any idea because it is VAPORWARE and anyone that believes otherwise is shilling for HashCoins to be brutally honest and having seen this ploy before we all know what will happen in the end. These newb accounts will fade into the background never to be seen again as this company fails to deliver them the product.

Prove it exists or just fuck off already. Is that inappropriate? Sorry but if one less person puts money on this "product" because people are calling it bullshit then good. You have ALTERNATIVES why risk it on this? Insanity.\

Here is the newb with 13 posts everyone should listen to except about the cloud there is no money in that either:

dogie: you've got an inner quote tag too many

For what it's worth, 'this product' in this context would have been Apollo/Zeus.  No idea what they're supposed to be using in whatever the Uranus will end up being.  The HashFast Golden Nonce is 28nm.  Afaik the only claim to a 20nm chip is KnCMiner's Neptune.

Let me stop you there.

You are now on ignore you add no value to these forums if you continue to support a company that has no product to be reviewed you are suspect and people have a clear right to call anyone out that is trying to bullshit the community that this is somehow a good deal or smart deal. Do not buy from these people that is the best advice to be given here.

Keep pushing this company all you like but no one is going to buy this product. This is NOT a GOOD deal for anyone.

Pre-order. No thanks.
Over priced. No thanks.
Newb pushing product. No thanks.
No product available for review. No thanks.
Dogie didn't even get a review unit even though he signed and NDA. No thanks.

Those are the facts.

And all the respect in the world to TheRealSteve but if this whole product hinges on Hashfast chips being salvaged via liquidation you are really grasping at some very very very fine straw there. Why not buy an Antminer used? Shit why not from the scammers at Avalon with their overpriced no way to ROI quiet units that Dogie is trying to sell everyone on? Really is anyone buying this? Holy crap.

Here is a suggestion anyone still thinking about buying miners:


Please get the irony of me sending people to buy miners in a thread called... "Turning off miners"

Not the first time its happened, won't be the last. When you put down such a huge chunk of money upfront in huge batches of chips, its not surprising that some companies simply don't have the money to turn them into miners once they arrive. Even ASICMiner did that on BE200, all the miners we saw sold over a 12 month period were from the same batch!

No, I'm not angry at all, don't worry! We are just debating But this debate it's driving me to act as the attorney of Hashcoins, and that is far far away from my intentions. Hashcoins will have to prove they are legit, and in my case this will happen once I recieve the boards I ordered. If I recieve them I will be very happy, I'll share pics here, I'll write a nice review and even I will order more boards. If not, I will publish that here, I will create a thread "Hashcoins  have ****ed us!!!!" and I will make good use of the European Union laws of costumers protection.

But yes, there is one that have made me angry:

Bicknellski, your behaviour is far beyond the acceptable even for a forum, where you can hide behind your nickname to defame people. I have been using arguments, including a proof of purchase, even offering to include more proofs of identity, relating to my posting history where you can find long and high quality threads (maybe the hashrate analysis was too complex to you?). But you have ignored all the arguments and took the easy way of trolling: not mentioning my name, speaking in generic about shill marketing like including me on that and even using a quotation from Hamlet to dress your post with style. And the concerning thing is that you are a Hero member of the forum that run a guide of Trustworthyness that claims to be ethic. You are trolling a newbie user, what makes you twice evil. If I was you I would be ashamed to use my condition to such things.

At this point, I am not sure if you are simply a troll that eventually is a hero member and eventually tries tu run a company guide. Or maybe you have a secret agenda and particular economic interests in this forum. Maybe you are a happy HC costumer that wants to prevent more people to buy and thus prevent an increse of demand and thus of prices. Or more simply, you are in this forum not to help people, but to manipulate them to drive them to buy gear from a particular company (no need to mention which) where you have economic interests. In any case, refusing to use arguments makes me thing you have something behind the scenes

In defense of that proposal - keep in mind that HashFast liquidated assets (or still are, no idea).
Their boards (well, their chips with maybe updated boards) ended up being used in e.g. Pepper Mining's Habanero (you can poke at MrTeal on that ) and Bitcrane's T-110 and T-720.
From bankruptcy documents, they certainly claimed to have plenty of assets left over to build miners; don't recall if "1000's" applies, though

LOL, use your logic, the Zeus was a miner with 5 Hashfast boards in it, boards and chips from a company that went bankrupt over 6 months ago, a company that couldn't even supply its own customers let alone a third party. You think there are 1000's of Zeus miners sitting in a warehouse waiting to be sold by two unverified scam accounts on alibaba? LOL sorry but this is so "scraping the bottom of the barrel" that I can't even believe you tried it. Either you are just blindly trying to justify throwing away your money, or you are part of the problem.

Perhaps so, but a realistic one.

Anybody can come on here (or the web at large) and say "We've got a great new product!  Here's the specs, here's a nice render, and here's our site where you can order it - using anything but covered payment methods - for the equivalent of a good chunk of money, and we'll get it to you!*
*at some point in the future (there may be delays for which we can't be held accountable, please see our terms)"

Should the default position at that point be to presume that it is a legit company with a legit offering, and not comment on it unless actually having placed an order?  Or should the position be that they should put forth more detailed information and - if push comes to shove - send out a unit for review (doesn't have to be a freebie - I've never liked that approach - just have it mailed back ... and presumably without NDAs attached) if they want to be taken seriously?

To tie that into your Prospero X1.5 post - imagine if your post only read "I received one, it's working fine".. how much weight would you lend to such a post, compared to the one you made?
( as an aside, I didn't see anybody accusing you of being a scammer in there - maybe the one that complained about the title and the pointing to BA's site came accross as such, but that poster didn't read your post very clearly.  Maybe you're referring to a PM, though. )

Just to clarify, my default stance isn't "they're a scam until proven otherwise" - mine is that they should at least provide information that they easily can.  In the case of HashCoins / Uranus, if they have a unit in hand by now, taking a few more pictures doesn't hurt; it doesn't necessarily prove anything, but you have to wonder why they won't take such minimal steps.  But there's plenty of others who do take that stance, and thus a company will find themselves labeled a scam.  Is that unjustified?   Maybe so - but, again, easily addressed.

Of course if they don't particularly care what people say, as long as their customers are happy, fair enough - but then this thread should be a non-issue to both them and said customers.

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks" - Queen Gertrude.


Again bottom line. Overpriced. No working models to be had and independently verified. Pre-orders. Ouch.

Avoid this company save yourself the hassle there are actual units shipping for less currently available. Insanity prevails in some minds I guess.

These repeated attempts at shill marketing in the hardware section are really easy to pick out compared to 'honest' fabricator threads especially now NOTHING can ROI.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-shill-marketing.htm


Variants on these forums are the

"HELP ME I AM NEWB AND MY BFL/TECHNOBIT/ANTMINER/AVALON UNIT AIN'T WORKING"

then Miracle of Miracles the unit is fixed with a snip of code, firmware update or "Did you try restarting it?"

or you as you see here in this thread 2 times now

"I AM A NEWB I JUST ORDERED THE GREAT NEW ADVANCED HASCOINS BOX O' FANS."

You are not fooling anyone guys not just in this thread but a significant number of hardware threads this is going on right now.

No one is buying these pre-orders and giving this person the benefit of the doubt is not how it works given the YEARS of BULLSHIT that have passed through these forums. Nope no one is buying your pre-order no matter how many pretty pictures you post and you'd better have something to review and the right people to review it or at the very least using a REAL NAME and not be an anon with 30 posts.

Just go buy a hardly used BCT account and try again you won't be the first person to try that tact.

Can they be scams?  Yes... they are still using stock photos.  Can you find pictures of a Zeus that is not stock photo? Find one out in wild.... I have not seen one.  I would love to be wrong and see it.

I don't see why you are so angry over questions being asked.  Instead of a page long answer find pictures of Zeus that is not stock.  Or better yet find one single review Zeus.  Just one review that shows it working and I will say I was wrong.

That it is not completely true. Some examples I found on a simple Google search:

- https://bitcointa.lk/threads/hashfast-0-7-th-hashcoins-apollo-miner-for-sale.337630/ Someone selling his Apollo miner on a different forum, overpiced, but selling it.

- http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/HashCoins-Zeus-3-5-TH-s_50016105616.html A malaysian distributor reselling Zeus in batches of 50 on Alibaba

- http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/HashCoins-Zeus-3-5-TH-s_50015407806.html . An australian distributor reselling Zeus in batches of 3 on Alibaba

Can they be scams as well? They can, but as Alibaba acts as an escrow I see it pointless. Are they using mining chips from other companies? No doubt, they are probably simple OEMs, but actually I don't care as long as they sell a functional miner. Are out there many previous gen miners? Clearly not: maybe they manufactured few units, or sold them in bulk to few costumers, or simply they werent able to sell them due to high prices and they are using the stock for the cloud mining facility apparently they own.

Is everything a big and long term elaborated scam? It may be as you are the experts and me the poor scammed costumer. Or maybe not and I will recieve my orders. At this point we don't know: there are points that suggest they are legit, and points that suggest they have no real activity. At this point we can't discern it, so maybe is pointless keep discussing it. So by my side, I will just wait and update in this thread any news about my orders. But...


... I simply reject that idea, I don't aprove that. Personally I find it destructive for the community. Do we have to be cautionous? Of course! But accusing of scam any new company of user just because they arrive with something new favors only the stablished companies. In the time I've been here (28 posts) I have been already acussed 2 times. one in this thread and other one just because I wrote a guide of the Prospero X-1.5 miner.

Following that principle, I should mistrust users that accuse companies of scam, because they can be scamming in turn the company. I should mistrust reviews and opinions because they can be attemps to manipulate new users. I should mistrust the whole Bitcoin Talk because it could be an elaborated manipulation to stablish a duopoly Bitmain-Spoondolies. Very destructive attitude

There were a few independent reports on the original batch of Apollos which was a looooooong time ago. Their second batch (the one I reviewed) was much later.


I never received anything, no.