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cypherdoc

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Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on August 09, 2013, 03:05:02 PM

Quote from: Simon Barber on August 09, 2013, 03:01:37 PM

Quote from: cypherdoc on August 09, 2013, 02:19:39 PM

i actually had a question. will the water cooling system come with the home models. did i mistakenly see somewhere where it will only be for commercial rigs?

Unfortunately we can't offer any models for home use during initial sales. The reason is FCC certification. To sell a product for home use we need FCC class B certification, and this takes 1 or 2 months, after our chips become available. As a result we cannot endorse or sell any of our early products for home use. We may offer a product certified for home use later on, but our early products are sold for use in commercial environments.

The Baby Jet will come with the fully sealed, maintenance free liquid cooling system.

For those who want to read between the lines I will say what they are unwilling to. AFAIK no BTC miner is designed for "residential use" as nobody has FCC certification, although plenty of people are operating them in their "residences". That being said it isn't like the device has a GPS unit that will self destruct if you bring it inside a house. It just means the company is selling it for commercial use, if you buy a commercial product then you are indicating you are buying it for commercial use. What you actually do with it once you get it is up to you.

Simon has also indicated to me that one could expect to run 4-5 of these off a standard residential outlet if they wanted given the 350W per unit consumption. no one is recommending this of course.

Simon Barber

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Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on August 09, 2013, 02:51:52 PM

Well you need a fan but it doesn't need to be noisy. However you are right in the longer context. Water "cooling" is actually a misnomer. The water is merely a heat transfer system. Much like a copper heat sink is a heat transfer system. Nobody would call that "copper cooling". Note this isn't a dig at HashFast the term is "water cooling" it just happens to be inaccurate.

HOWEVER the advantage of water cooling is that water is an amazingly good heat transfer system (transfers about 25x the heat per volume of fluid). So you can move the heat to a much larger areas like a radiator with 1000x the surface area of the chip and use fewer larger slower fans. No noise is a mismoner but it can be much quieter.

The Baby Jet will ship with an oversized liquid cooling system, that has much more capacity than needed to run the chip at 400GH/s. This means that the fans will be able to throttle back, and run quite slowly, and thus quietly. I don't yet have any noise figures, but the intention is that this system will result in the lowest noise possible.

DeathAndTaxes

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Gerald Davis

Quote from: Simon Barber on August 09, 2013, 03:01:37 PM

Quote from: cypherdoc on August 09, 2013, 02:19:39 PM

i actually had a question. will the water cooling system come with the home models. did i mistakenly see somewhere where it will only be for commercial rigs?

Unfortunately we can't offer any models for home use during initial sales. The reason is FCC certification. To sell a product for home use we need FCC class B certification, and this takes 1 or 2 months, after our chips become available. As a result we cannot endorse or sell any of our early products for home use. We may offer a product certified for home use later on, but our early products are sold for use in commercial environments.

The Baby Jet will come with the fully sealed, maintenance free liquid cooling system.

For those who want to read between the lines I will say what they are unwilling to. AFAIK no BTC miner is designed for "residential use" as nobody has FCC certification, although plenty of people are operating them in their "residences". That being said it isn't like the device has a GPS unit that will self destruct if you bring it inside a house. It just means the company is selling it for commercial use, if you buy a commercial product then you are indicating you are buying it for commercial use. What you actually do with it once you get it is up to you.

Simon Barber

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Quote from: cypherdoc on August 09, 2013, 02:19:39 PM

i actually had a question. will the water cooling system come with the home models. did i mistakenly see somewhere where it will only be for commercial rigs?

Unfortunately we can't offer any models for home use during initial sales. The reason is FCC certification. To sell a product for home use we need FCC class B certification, and this takes 1 or 2 months, after our chips become available. As a result we cannot endorse or sell any of our early products for home use. We may offer a product certified for home use later on, but our early products are sold for use in commercial environments.

The Baby Jet will come with the fully sealed, maintenance free liquid cooling system.

pacojones

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Quote from: cypherdoc on August 09, 2013, 02:19:39 PM

Simon,

i actually had a question. will the water cooling system come with the home models. did i mistakenly see somewhere where it will only be for commercial rigs?

I'm wondering why the "home" and "commercial" versions! I can't find any mention of a home version on the site and the fact that this is "commercial" only is a bit confusing - it's like saying this vacuum cleaner is commercial only (but there's nothing to keep you from using it at home). Any explanation would be appreciated!

DeathAndTaxes

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Gerald Davis

Quote from: mrb on August 09, 2013, 01:15:07 PM

Quote from: cypherdoc on August 08, 2013, 05:54:43 PM

And let me not forget one other significant thing; this unit has water cooling. NO MORE NOISE. There is a God!

That's a common misconception... You still need a noisy fan to cool down the radiator in a water cooling setup. Unless you have a fancy setup hooked to swimming pool or other large body of permanently cool water.

Well you need a fan but it doesn't need to be noisy. However you are right in the longer context. Water "cooling" is actually a misnomer. The water is merely a heat transfer system. Much like a copper heat sink is a heat transfer system. Nobody would call that "copper cooling". Note this isn't a dig at HashFast the term is "water cooling" it just happens to be inaccurate.

HOWEVER the advantage of water cooling is that water is an amazingly good heat transfer system (transfers about 25x the heat per volume of fluid). So you can move the heat to a much larger areas like a radiator with 1000x the surface area of the chip and use fewer larger slower fans. No noise is a mismoner but it can be much quieter.

HashFast

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Quote from: Loredo on August 09, 2013, 11:55:41 AM

Quote from: cypherdoc on August 09, 2013, 11:28:48 AM

you know what? i absolutely agree. they should be here talking more but i guess that's why they brought me on board to handle all the flack.

Yes, and CEO-level: understandable. But where's Sedockis, or whatever his name is: the marketing guy?

It seems to me, particularly on the day that Team Avalon has announced their ("temporary") implosion, it is even more necessary to put forward a balanced, credible, front.

I'm here. Was sleeping after a very long day. What can I do for you?

Coco888

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I already see how HashFast fucks every buyer like BFL is doing everyday.

Xian01

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Christian Antkow

This endorsement feels cheap, shallow, and whore-ish.

I'm really not a fan of all these pre-order schemes in Bitcoin space, and am calling "Shenanigans" on you, and anyone else delivering 28nm before 2014.

Make me a believer.

cypherdoc

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Simon,

i actually had a question. will the water cooling system come with the home models. did i mistakenly see somewhere where it will only be for commercial rigs?

Simon Barber

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I'd like to confirm that HashFast will offer refunds on orders that are not shipped by Dec 31st.

As cypherdoc alluded to, we are also finalizing a further guarantee for miners who purchase our equipment. We want to make sure our customers are successful. We are putting together the final touches to this program right now. When launched we will offer it to all existing purchasers at no additional charge.

We are currently having trouble with integrating BitPay, but we are actively working on that.

MrTeal

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Quote from: mrb on August 09, 2013, 01:15:07 PM

Quote from: cypherdoc on August 08, 2013, 05:54:43 PM

And let me not forget one other significant thing; this unit has water cooling. NO MORE NOISE. There is a God!

That's a common misconception... You still need a noisy fan to cool down the radiator in a water cooling setup. Unless you have a fancy setup hooked to swimming pool or other large body of permanently cool water.

You just need a bunch of suckers to foot the bill for you.
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/analysis/vancouver-water-cheap-unmetered-208927231.html

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And it's all publicly owned and operated, despite a modest increase in annual water tax bills. Metro Vancouver estimates that the average household in its 22 municipalities now receiving treated water will pay a mere $148 this year for unmetered water.

mrb

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Quote from: cypherdoc on August 08, 2013, 05:54:43 PM

And let me not forget one other significant thing; this unit has water cooling. NO MORE NOISE. There is a God!

That's a common misconception... You still need a noisy fan to cool down the radiator in a water cooling setup. Unless you have a fancy setup hooked to swimming pool or other large body of permanently cool water.

HashFast

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Hi Everyone,

Due to technical problems in processing orders, we are temporarily suspending sales until the issues are resolved.
I apologize for the frustration that this has caused. We will be contacting those of you who have attempted a purchase.

Thanks for your patience,

John

bbxx

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cryptoshark

Quote from: cypherdoc on August 09, 2013, 12:33:19 PM

Quote from: pmorici on August 09, 2013, 12:27:06 PM

I was going to buy a BFL product last fall (Nov 2012) before it became apparent that they were full of crap. I had made up my mind to do it any everything except that for what ever reason their payment form was broken. After a couple tries I just gave up, in hind sight it was a sign and saved me a load cash. I wonder if hashfast's site being broken now is a similar sign. It's a shame it seems the people involved have a lot of street cred.

they're pretty much all technical guys. which is why i liked them from the start. Simon and his technical team are at the frontend with Uniquify on the back end. there is a great synergy there.

i didn't see that with other companies.

unfortunately we're seeing the consequences of that too. but they are working to rectify the situation.

yeah really working
just login by ssh, mcedit php.ini, change allowed memory size to 512M, display_errors to off, /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
job done (below minute).

please dont be silly that they are able to design, tape-out chip, develop miner, case, power, ship in 10 weeks from now.
people are not stupid.

cypherdoc

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Quote from: pmorici on August 09, 2013, 12:27:06 PM

I was going to buy a BFL product last fall (Nov 2012) before it became apparent that they were full of crap. I had made up my mind to do it any everything except that for what ever reason their payment form was broken. After a couple tries I just gave up, in hind sight it was a sign and saved me a load cash. I wonder if hashfast's site being broken now is a similar sign. It's a shame it seems the people involved have a lot of street cred.

they're pretty much all technical guys. which is why i liked them from the start. Simon and his technical team are at the frontend with Uniquify on the back end. there is a great synergy there.

i didn't see that with other companies.

unfortunately we're seeing the consequences of that too. but they are working to rectify the situation.

pmorici

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I was going to buy a BFL product last fall (Nov 2012) before it became apparent that they were full of crap. I had made up my mind to do it any everything except that for what ever reason their payment form was broken. After a couple tries I just gave up, in hind sight it was a sign and saved me a load cash. I wonder if hashfast's site being broken now is a similar sign. It's a shame it seems the people involved have a lot of street cred.

Kouye

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Cuddling, censored, unicorn-shaped troll.

Quote from: cypherdoc on August 09, 2013, 11:59:54 AM

you're right too. i'm gonna call his ass right now.

That's exactly the kind of language I'd love my admitedly paid shills to use, if I had such a serious company to run, too.

cypherdoc

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Quote from: Loredo on August 09, 2013, 11:55:41 AM

Quote from: cypherdoc on August 09, 2013, 11:28:48 AM

you know what? i absolutely agree. they should be here talking more but i guess that's why they brought me on board to handle all the flack.

Yes, and CEO-level: understandable. But where's Sedockis, or whatever his name is: the marketing guy?

It seems to me, particularly on the day that Team Avalon has announced their ("temporary") implosion, it is even more necessary to put forward a balanced, credible, front.

you're right too. i'm gonna call his ass right now.

Loredo

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Quote from: cypherdoc on August 09, 2013, 11:28:48 AM

you know what? i absolutely agree. they should be here talking more but i guess that's why they brought me on board to handle all the flack.

Yes, and CEO-level: understandable. But where's Sedockis, or whatever his name is: the marketing guy?

It seems to me, particularly on the day that Team Avalon has announced their ("temporary") implosion, it is even more necessary to put forward a balanced, credible, front.

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