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Topic: HashFast launches sales of the Baby Jet - page 66. (Read 119626 times)

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August 08, 2013, 10:32:42 PM
#68
Hi John and Simon,

I understand You're busy trying to negociate with UPS and have little time.

I would still like you to reply to a couple questions, if possible.

If not, could I pre-order the answers, please ?

PS : Stock is growing thin! Only 471 units now! Take a picture before you're out, else people might accuse you of selling pre-orders Sad
eve
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August 08, 2013, 10:28:13 PM
#67
No Consumers Protection? only bitcoin, No credit card payments, No Escrow, What guarantee delivery do you have as a customers. !! Stay Clear Please!! What is $14 per gh/s?? Others will be selling below $12 per gh/s and that is still consider very expensive. Stay away and Stay Clear..

Just to create interest and excitement that bitpay is down is a joke !!

Stay Clear and Stay away.
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August 08, 2013, 10:27:23 PM
#66
Delivery to Bulgaria (EU Country). Really?HuhHuhHuh??



Holy Moses, so that's how they get some extra money by overcharging on shipping? There's no way shipping to EU costs $750 Roll Eyes.

Shipping inside the US gives the option "Next Day Air Saver (UPS): $48.57"
It should not cost ten times that to ship to the EU !?  Shocked
erk
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August 08, 2013, 10:24:44 PM
#65


I even can buy -/+ 7 Block Erupter with the shipping fee to my place  Shocked

Can't you organize your own courier to pick up the order when it's ready?

legendary
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In Cryptocoins I Trust
August 08, 2013, 10:24:33 PM
#64
Shipping is $400+ ... jeez.

I'm guessing you don't live in the USA?
newbie
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August 08, 2013, 10:21:16 PM
#63
http://i.imgur.com/L01gc6g.png

I even can buy -/+ 7 Block Erupter with the shipping fee to my place  Shocked
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Gerald Davis
August 08, 2013, 10:02:03 PM
#62
Why does BitPay use such a low figure for USD/BTC? Also, I wish local pickup was an option.

Because MtGox price is for USD you can't withdrawal.  Not really useful for anything other than saying "look at the high number".  I am pretty sure bitpay price is ~= bitstamps price.
legendary
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August 08, 2013, 10:00:13 PM
#61
Why does BitPay use such a low figure for USD/BTC? Also, I wish local pickup was an option.

i bet it would be.  just ask them.  i think they'll be more than willing to please.
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August 08, 2013, 09:59:44 PM
#60
I don't believe the current babyjet image will be representative of the final product.

The image suggests 6 chips. Isn't this supposed to be a 1-chip solution?

It is a one cheap solution, but the core is a 6 tentaculed octopus trying to make it through the solid (don't worry) case.
You might need to throw a few shrimps through the fan, if you see a TH/s downspike, but don't try to feed it yourself, and DO NOT OPEN THE CASE. BECAUSE OF GUARANTEE.
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August 08, 2013, 09:59:11 PM
#59
Why does BitPay use such a low figure for USD/BTC? Also, I wish local pickup was an option.
sr. member
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August 08, 2013, 09:44:59 PM
#58
Seems legit  Roll Eyes
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August 08, 2013, 09:41:07 PM
#57
I don't believe the current babyjet image will be representative of the final product.

The image suggest 6 chips. Isn't this supposed to be a 1-chip solution?

Nice catch...
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August 08, 2013, 09:37:43 PM
#56
I don't believe the current babyjet image will be representative of the final product.

The image suggests 6 chips. Isn't this supposed to be a 1-chip solution?


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August 08, 2013, 09:32:44 PM
#55
Actually, I'd argue that GPU mining mostly leveled off when positive ROI was around 8 months, then the BTC price drove it to break-even with electricity.  I expect to see the same thing with ASICs - people will stop buying when it takes them more than 8 months to recover their initial investment.  The caveat is that preorders screw up the estimates, since no one really knows how much is on preorder, and so no one can properly estimate their break even points.  It could mean we accidentally shoot past the 8 month break-even window to something much longer.

Yeah, I used to think everyone would get scared off and not invest, keeping mining profitable. But at this point it looks like the market may end up completely flooded.

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Right now though, a HashFast unit would break even in 10 days.  At increased difficulty (quadrupled by BFL + this alone), you're still only looking at 40 days.  Difficulty would have to rise to 24 times its current rate in order to see the 8 month break even point.  I don't see that happening by October by any means.  Because of this, I think this is still a reasonable investment, should it be legitimate and they deliver on time.

Right now we have about 350Th/s.  Avalon is rumored to have 2 million chips on order, which is 700Th/s.  This sale is 250Th total. Labcoin expects to have 500Th/s by november, as does BTCGarden.  IceDrill plans to have 500Th/s on order from FastHash. Let's ignore BFL for now.

But you also have KnC.  We actually don't know how many units they've sold, but if they've sold 2,500 units that's going to be about 1PH just by itself.

That comes out to 3.5 petahash online by November

Which is when Cointerra starts to ship.

Now, maybe some of these companies won't ship.  However, if you're going to assume HashFast ships it doesn't make much sense to assume no one else does.  And I'm also ignoring ActiveMining and BFL.

So, if all that's online before you start, you might be looking at around $60/day, or $1800 a month, before further difficulty increases from newer, cheaper chips.

So yeah.  I think it'll take a long, long time to ROI if all the other competitors execute.
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August 08, 2013, 09:30:51 PM
#54

I am optimistic that they be able to execute on the chip (first go like KnC).

I think at one point they were mentioning that they were expecting their chips back from the fab to arrive in early October (or maybe we all inferred it from tape out schedule), so I think the end of October is going to be a very aggressive schedule.  The speed at which Intron and c-scape has been able to turn around useful designs from the bitfury chips gives me hope that with talented engineers, they could go from a near successful chip to successful miner in short order.  Everyone who has met with HashFast has said they were impressed with their technical capabilities...

These miners are currently the best price/performance leaders... but if they are more than a little late, it is very likely they will not earn back their costs.

I took the risk (but didn't cancel any of my other orders).
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August 08, 2013, 09:15:13 PM
#53
There is no much room in the pricing. If they are >4 weeks late (i.e. deliver late Nov) you are not gonna ROI. If they deliver on time, you will profit ~6k. This is with current difficulty slope and $/btc.

So... it's about the same type of deal as every other ASIC pre-order out there right now..

Is this surprising to you?!

Why would they sell for cheaper when they can just mine with them?

  need cost to pay bills.
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August 08, 2013, 09:14:51 PM
#52
We continue to to see problems connecting to bitpay, you may have to click on the pay now button several times to make a connection.
We apologize for the inconvenience.
John

Hi John!

I understand hoarding cash is a top priority (481 left in stock, way to go!)

I have a couple unanswered questions which your mates are ignoring.

Could you help me, please ?
legendary
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August 08, 2013, 09:09:47 PM
#51
There is no much room in the pricing. If they are >4 weeks late (i.e. deliver late Nov) you are not gonna ROI. If they deliver on time, you will profit ~6k. This is with current difficulty slope and $/btc.

So... it's about the same type of deal as every other ASIC pre-order out there right now..

Is this surprising to you?!

Why would they sell for cheaper when they can just mine with them?
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August 08, 2013, 08:55:06 PM
#50
  Will you ship out by USPS for Canada?

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August 08, 2013, 08:53:19 PM
#49
We continue to to see problems connecting to bitpay, you may have to click on the pay now button several times to make a connection.
We apologize for the inconvenience.

John
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