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Topic: HashFast launches sales of the Baby Jet - page 68. (Read 119626 times)

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August 08, 2013, 07:52:54 PM
#28
well, a scam is where a person or group of ppl are trying to collect money w/o actually trying to design or deliver a product.  that's different than just an outright failure or inability to deliver a product while delivering a good faith effort.

this is definitely not the former.  i'm convinced we won't have a problem with the latter.  the risk is more about timing.

No, look at BFL.  Clearly they "intended" to produce a unit.  However, they were able to delay and delay shipping products without ever telling anyone how much they'd sold - that kept the difficulty low in order to make their products look like good deals.

If you're planning on selling so many ASICs that your products never make ROI, then it's kind of a scam.

Selling an product that's not likely to make ROI is a bit on the scamy side, because you still have information your customers don't have access too.
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August 08, 2013, 07:52:04 PM
#27
Hi Everyone,

There are a lot of orders trying to go through at the same time.
We are working on it. Please be patient.

John
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August 08, 2013, 07:51:10 PM
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Delivery to Bulgaria (EU Country). Really?HuhHuhHuh??



Holy Moses, so that's how they get some extra money by overcharging on shipping? There's no way shipping to EU costs $750 Roll Eyes.
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August 08, 2013, 07:48:34 PM
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There is no much room in the pricing. If they are >4 weeks late (i.e. deliver late Nov) you are not gonna ROI. If they deliver on time, you will profit ~6k. This is with current difficulty slope and $/btc.

I actually doubt the difficulty slope will continue on the same exponential.  There's no natural exponential driver for this - it's all based on how many chip companies come out and how fast they ship their product.

If KnC actually succeeds in shipping all their Day 1 and Day 2 shipments in two days, plus the additional shipments in a couple days as well, you could be seeing 500Th to 1Ph come online in a couple days, for example.

There's also the problem of Labcoin, BTCGarden and of course those Avalon ASICs people are waiting for.
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August 08, 2013, 07:48:03 PM
#24
Delivery to Bulgaria (EU Country). Really?HuhHuhHuh??

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Thank you! Thank you! ...
August 08, 2013, 07:47:08 PM
#23
I don't see any refunds or discounts mentioned if you fail to make your shipping date (as every ASIC manufacturer before you has done).

Sorry, not interested.

I will ONLY consider placing pre-orders with companies that commit to discounts on late delivery. Anything else would be foolishly throwing money away.
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August 08, 2013, 07:45:50 PM
#22
How does anyone know this isn't a scam?  Endorsed by cypherdoc, ok.  But beyond that?

Simon, assuming you're not out to steal people's money (which, truthfully, I don't think you are, but I don't know you're not), what about your ability to deliver?  What if something goes wrong with the design?  It consumes more electricity than expected... ok, now what?  Does it mean a delay of several months for your customers while you re-engineer everything?  Or the chip just flat out doesn't work because of some overlooked hardware bug.  How long will it take to correct it?  Or you can't find a 28nm fab to squeeze you into their schedule.  What will you do?

well, a scam is where a person or group of ppl are trying to collect money w/o actually trying to design or deliver a product.  that's different than just an outright failure or inability to deliver a product while delivering a good faith effort.

this is definitely not the former.  i'm convinced we won't have a problem with the latter.  the risk is more about timing.
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August 08, 2013, 07:43:02 PM
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"Error creating bitpay invoice. Please try again or try another payment method."

 Huh

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August 08, 2013, 07:33:52 PM
#20
How does anyone know this isn't a scam?  Endorsed by cypherdoc, ok.  But beyond that?

Simon, assuming you're not out to steal people's money (which, truthfully, I don't think you are, but I don't know you're not), what about your ability to deliver?  What if something goes wrong with the design?  It consumes more electricity than expected... ok, now what?  Does it mean a delay of several months for your customers while you re-engineer everything?  Or the chip just flat out doesn't work because of some overlooked hardware bug.  How long will it take to correct it?  Or you can't find a 28nm fab to squeeze you into their schedule.  What will you do?
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August 08, 2013, 07:33:03 PM
#19
Is there hosting? This is water cooled.
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August 08, 2013, 07:31:31 PM
#18
There is no much room in the pricing. If they are >4 weeks late (i.e. deliver late Nov) you are not gonna ROI. If they deliver on time, you will profit ~6k. This is with current difficulty slope and $/btc.
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August 08, 2013, 07:30:27 PM
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Error creating bitpay invoice. Please try again or try another payment method.


I'll hit you up privately.

John
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August 08, 2013, 07:29:03 PM
#16
- 1 HashFast Golden Nonce (GN) Chip
 - Under 350 watt power draw*

Doesn't removing ~250W TDP from one single chip die seem like a significant engineering challenge?

What's the core voltage on that bad boy?  Sounds like you'd need to be supplying it with at least a couple hundred amps...
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August 08, 2013, 07:24:11 PM
#15
Error creating bitpay invoice. Please try again or try another payment method.
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August 08, 2013, 07:23:38 PM
#14
BitPay Payment seems broken.

I believe there are just a lot of people in line, please be patient.

John

Give me a jingle..
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August 08, 2013, 07:19:13 PM
#13
BitPay Payment seems broken.

yea another friend of mine reported that as well.. bitpay fail!
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August 08, 2013, 07:18:48 PM
#12
BitPay Payment seems broken.

We are having some trouble with BitPay right now. If you get an error, try the payment link a second time - this seems to fix it.
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August 08, 2013, 07:18:29 PM
#11
BitPay Payment seems broken.

I believe there are just a lot of people in line, please be patient.

John
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August 08, 2013, 07:17:13 PM
#10
So power consumption variance is +-20%, can we infer the same with hash rate then? Since usually more power  means more heat to dissipate.

Most commonly the power consumption of real silicon comes in better (lower) than the predictions from the Apache Redhawk tool we are using. The cooling system in the Baby Jet is massively over engineered, to give some margin, and to support overclocking.
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August 08, 2013, 07:15:10 PM
#9
BitPay Payment seems broken.
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