Topic: [HAVELOCK] (HIF) Havelock Investments Fund - page 14. (Read 70071 times)

I love how you gave me negative trust because you and I disagree that havelock is a scam. Let this be a lesson to everyone wanting to do business with you. The lesson being don't do business with or you face the risk of insults/negative trust from this troll.

Go troll and FUD elsewhere. Nobody here is buying it.

My prediciton for HIF value as soon as open market order opens:



Simple, basic & expectable (since that's pretty much what happened with all other securities on HIF...)

RULE N°1: THE BEST INVESTMENT IN BITCOINS IS... BITCOINS! (and maybe some other cryptocurrencies...)

That's a simple mecanical process as bitcoin value increase (and assuming it wont stop at least for now), assets' value delivered in bitcoin decrease to keep on matching approximatively its original price in fiat currency... pure logic

But good luck to HIF investors. They may need it

PS: i am not arguing  whether or not HIF is serious or legit, just saying that investing in bitcoin whilst no one knows WHEN & WHERE BTC price will stabilize is lost in advance if you are betting on an likely upward trend... If bitcoin falls we are all screwed anyway 

lol.
gg!

(HIF) Open Market Orders will begin November 27th, 2013 @ 12 PM EST

Any future updates will be distributed exclusively through the HavelockInvestments.com website.

We would like to take this opportunity and thank the countless people from around the world that have placed their trust in us and supported our effort.

Thank you,

HavelockInvestments.com

So while the IPO was successful, Havelock was posting actively. Now that they failed, you don't see a word from them, just from potential sock-puppets.

Why is there no clear information on what will happen now? Are they trying to find some loophole to just call it successful and move on?

OHAI Herp.

Let me explain how this works:

When i post, i never ask anyone to trust me -- everything i say is verifiable and could be refuted if false.  I do not ask for money, and when money is offered to me by Havelock, i turn it down.

When Havelock & socks post, all they do is ask for money & ask you to trust them, while failing to offer any information, claiming that they might be KIDNAPPED if they did.

As far as "other exchanges" -- you mean shit like this?  https://mcxnow.com/

Protip:  If knowing that every exchange that ever existed in the BTC world turned out to be fail & AIDS makes you want to "invest," please do so.

To the rest:  Please read the entire thread before making a decision.

There is one BTC/LTC exchange about to open soon. Another BTC exchange opened recently. Perhaps someone is trying to pave the way for them by bashing the competition.

Crumbs is just trying too hard and it shows.

DefaultTrust means exactly ZERO.
Remember TF had a very high trust?

That's great to hear.  Do you know why they're so shady & vague with their information?

Yes. The passthrough is run by TAT who has been running passthroughs on every exchange. Even if havelock were to shut down the shares are backed by direct shares so it is definitely safe.

Are ASICMINER shares on Havelock safe?

My user account does not mention Havelock until a few months ago because I have only used them since August 2012. I wanted to see how good the service they provided was before I would comment positively or negatively about them on the forum.

Yes I do like Havelock, you obviously do not. So what is your recommendation for a better investment firm for BTC based funds? I am always open to trying out other firms if they have something better to offer. You seemed to have glossed over this question in your response. Any suggestions?

Your user account never mentions Havelock until a two-month gap, at which point almost *every one of your posts shills Havelock*.
In different threads.  
In unrelated contexts.
Nothing but Havelock.  You could've throw in a few non-Havelock posts for variate's sake, but NO.  Havelock Havelock Havelock.
You're not even a talented amateur, dood.  You're an embarrassment to shills and socks everywhere.
You do know that your whole post history is right there for everyone to see, at a click of a button, right?
Buy another account, they're a dime a dozen.
Now GTFO. 

crumbs,

What I have said in my post is true. My past experience to date with Havelock has been positive. I have not been posting on this forum consistently because I have a life outside this forum and there was nothing much for me to comment on. Also, I live in Canada and the summer months are short so I do not waste too much time posting in the summer (IE July and August). If you have had a negative experience with Havelock then please give us some details about what you have experienced.

As Korbman said in his post, Havelock is now owned by TPF and is structured more as VC to get around the tight US securities rules. If you know of a better BTC securities exchange than Havelock, then please let us know what it is so that we can all go check it out!

I have nothing against scamming, but these guys are just so ghetto about it.
Kids have to learn to take PRIDE in what they do

Edit:  Just in case it's not common knowledge, aged user accounts are sold in this forum, no need to hack.  An account of that age is ~.001BTC.  The accounts are both cheap and available, openly advertised on this forum.
Buying and selling accounts is *not* against the forum's rules -- stated or unstated.

You've never bought yourself someone else's identity from hacked server?

You have traded on Havelock for over 15 months.
Your account is half that age.
After a post in May, you disappear for 2 months from the forum, and when you return, almost all of your posts are white knighting Havelock, which you have not mentioned *once* before.
Could you offer a plausible backstory?

Here's how I see it, and *please* correct me if I'm wrong or if I missed anything, since most of what I know is based on U.S. regulations and I'm not sure how it translates to Panama.

Based on what I've read so far, there seems to be some confusion between the Havelock Exchange and the Havelock that we see now, since people are assuming they're the same thing.

The Havelock that acted as a securities exchange is technically no more. The business was sold to the Panama Fund, which took over all operational activities. Now, the legality of running an exchange is a bit murky for me, but I do know that in order to run it properly all securities hosted by the exchange must be abiding by rules and regulations of their jurisdictions, as well as where the exchange is located. In any case, achieving that is extremely hard to do as it is so complex and expensive, which I'm sure ties into why BitFunder and BTCT shut down.

To get around this, TPF restructured the operation as a Venture Capital Fund, which is much easier to set up to comply with regulations (at least here in the States). It allows them to work with a variety of businesses to raise capital, and they can open up investing to both accredited investors and "knowledgeable" investors.

In any case, the original owners we've grown accustomed to (Lightbox and his business partner) aren't the ones in charge anymore. HIF is playing out in somewhat the same way as CFIG, if anyone remembers how that went. If HIF is able to attract outside investors (outside of the Bitcoin community), then the fund may do well. Relying on raising capital from just the Bitcoin community requires quite a bit more transparency than what's been provided.

Ok, I can't speak to the date that TPF was founded.  I should have limited the scope of my statement to "older than havelockinvestments.com", since that's easily verifiable in whois.  I stand corrected.  

But it doesn't change the fact that I've been around long enough to have established myself as a legitimate operation -- even if a small one --  in the eyes of my customers.  Whether you trust me or the statements I've made is your problem..  I've simply added my voice to the mix, and confirmed that TPF does have an office at the address they provided, and that I have seen it, and that I have met and exchange Bitcoin with the leadership.  You don't know if you can trust me anymore than I know if I can trust you.  We don't trust anyone in common either that I'm aware of.

So, until you or someone you trust comes to Panama, you'll never know for sure if TPF is legitimate or not.  But until that happens, you should shut your pie hole and quit making claims you can't back up.  Claiming he's a fake because you can't be bothered to pay him a visit is trollish at best.  I or TPF or anyone else could just as easily say they live at 5114 Heather Drive, Welcome, Texas, 76953-3994, but until someone you trust goes there and knocks on the door, you can't verify that it's true OR FALSE.  It doesn't matter if he provides a complete, detailed address, or just instructions on how to get to the building and ask at the front desk, you're not going to know unless you verify it for yourself.

With the high price of Bitcoin people it seems are more cautious than ever with what they invest in. That being said you will never get any guarantees especially for VC type investments. Bitcoin and any business trying to create a service based around it are still considered VC.

I have invested with Havelock for over 15 months now and never have had any issues with getting my BTC. On some funds I gained BTC, on some funds I lost BTC, but that is the free market at play especially for Bitcoin based VC!! They seem very professional and genuine in trying to provide a good site for trading. I can understand that some business information must remain private. If they simply stated all their prospective clients for 2014, then their competitors could simply approach those people and attempt to influence them.

Havelock already has tens of thousands of BTC of investors money in their funds. Obviously they already have a certain level of trust in the community. As to the valuation of Havelock for the IPO, people need to make their own determination and invest accordingly. At this point in time saying they are trying to create a scam with HIF is unproven and in my opinion slanderous.

Bernie Madoff knew many of the people he scammed very well. They knew his address. He was well trusted. That did not stop him from running a Ponzi scheme with their money. In total they lost Billions!! There are never guarantees.

I have never personally met any of the guys running Havelock, so the above is my assessment as a Venture Capital (VC) investor.