I've been trying very hard to stay out of this, umm, "discussion", but just wanted to chime in... no, this is not troll food, so please, trolls, pay no attention.
You've all trusted Havelock Investments for over a year, you could come to our office and talk with us, you could pick up the phone and call us.. and _many_ of you did. When the Panama Fund acquired Havelock Investments from the original owners (myself and my business partner), we made sure to vette the purchaser (who we already had a pre-existing business relationship with) and required them to have contact information available. One of the reasons you trusted Havelock to begin with was because we were a bricks and mortar office with a real phone number at our real address manned by real people. The same continues to apply today, whether its in Canada or Panama makes no difference. If you have doubt, please, call, visit the office, check out the new owners in "real life"... if you're not willing to get off your ass and venture away from your computer chair in your parents basement, you probably shouldn't be in the Securities forum. Taking part in securities (virtual or not) always requires you to do your own due diligence... actual due diligence. not just a few google searches.
James
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Read havelocks post history. All the info is there.
If it is possibly a scam, you can't simply trust the potential scammer - you need external evidence to give confidence. 
But we are not talking about some random guy asking for money. We are talking a well established bitcoin exchange merged with a legally registered private investment company in panama which is not anonymous meaning they cannot just take the coins and run as there are names to be held accountable. Anyone could find out more info if they want by looking at havelocks history or contacting them on the forums/phone/in person at their offices.
Can you please help those of us who think that this has the potential to be a scam to disprove this notion by pointing us to any evidence that the panama fund really exists? I don't know anything about panama, but in the UK, you can look up registered companies & their directors. Can this be done for them?
This may not be a scam, but to see it as an impossibility without anything substantial to back it up this seems a bit naive.
If you hate people considering the possibility that this is a scam, please provide real information & reasoning to reduce suspicions.
Read havelocks post history. All the info is there.
But we are not talking about some random guy asking for money. We are talking a well established bitcoin exchange merged with a legally registered private investment company in panama which is not anonymous meaning they cannot just take the coins and run as there are names to be held accountable. Anyone could find out more info if they want by looking at havelocks history or contacting them on the forums/phone/in person at their offices.
Can you please help those of us who think that this has the potential to be a scam to disprove this notion by pointing us to any evidence that the panama fund really exists? I don't know anything about panama, but in the UK, you can look up registered companies & their directors. Can this be done for them?
This may not be a scam, but to see it as an impossibility without anything substantial to back it up this seems a bit naive.
If you hate people considering the possibility that this is a scam, please provide real information & reasoning to reduce suspicions.
All you people on this forum are insane to trust a whole currency created by some anonymous guy. Seems WAY too shady. Please provide me the real identity of Satoshi Nakamoto or I call this whole Bitcoin business a huge scam. TYVM!
Lol, you really don't understand life in general, do you? People don't use bitcoin because they trust Satoshi. They use it because they understand hash functions, they understand that thus far, SHA 256 (created by U.S. National Security Agency) and the bitcoin network as a whole have not been shown to have any easily exploitable flaws.
The aforementioned, of course, does not imply that you can throw your coin at anyone who ask for it, and shit will magically work out.
This is bitcoin, not Equestria
If you think bitcoin scams are not possible, you're in the wrong neighborhood.
But we are not talking about some random guy asking for money. We are talking a well established bitcoin exchange merged with a legally registered private investment company in panama which is not anonymous meaning they cannot just take the coins and run as there are names to be held accountable. Anyone could find out more info if they want by looking at havelocks history or contacting them on the forums/phone/in person at their offices.
As for crumbs this is the last time I will reply to your FUD. As you contribute nothing I have to add you to the ignore list.
All you people on this forum are insane to trust a whole currency created by some anonymous guy. Seems WAY too shady. Please provide me the real identity of Satoshi Nakamoto or I call this whole Bitcoin business a huge scam. TYVM!
Lol, you really don't understand life in general, do you? People don't use bitcoin because they trust Satoshi. They use it because they understand hash functions, they understand that thus far, SHA 256 (created by U.S. National Security Agency) and the bitcoin network as a whole have not been shown to have any easily exploitable flaws.
The aforementioned, of course, does not imply that you can throw your coin at anyone who ask for it, and shit will magically work out.
This is bitcoin, not Equestria
If you think bitcoin scams are not possible, you're in the wrong neighborhood.
All you people on this forum are insane to trust a whole currency created by some anonymous guy. Seems WAY too shady. Please provide me the real identity of Satoshi Nakamoto or I call this whole Bitcoin business a huge scam. TYVM!
Seriously. Lets all stop using bitcoins because of anonymity.
Why come to a forum where it is well known and accepted to work with anonymity and complain that they are anonymous??
That is besides the fact that havelock is no longer anonymous after over a year of bullshitless operating and anyone wanting to find out real info about them can fly down to their offices or even just call them.
Or we could just create FUD based on speculation.
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As i have said before, just because there are people who won the lotto, it does not mean that "investing" in lottery tickets is smart
Essentially what you are doing is going to a forum for lottery tickets and telling everyone there how stupid they are for playing the lotto..
crumbs, please stop feeding the troll.
he is either trolling or is hopelessly stupid.
who wanted to read the truth can do it, who wants to throw his money to scammers will do it anyway, no point in continuing this.
he is either trolling or is hopelessly stupid.
who wanted to read the truth can do it, who wants to throw his money to scammers will do it anyway, no point in continuing this.
You are the one who has been trolling this thread from the very beginning. I've just checked your posting history in this thread. Your first post in this thread is a complaint regarding their listing fees. Based on this complaint alone, it's pretty safe to say you are totally clueless on some many levels.
The Havelock listing fee was 5BTC prior to being acquired by Panama Fund. It is now 1BTC. In the meantime I advise you to go check the Nasdaq listing fees and fees paid to the underwriters.
crumbs, please stop feeding the troll.
he is either trolling or is hopelessly stupid.
who wanted to read the truth can do it, who wants to throw his money to scammers will do it anyway, no point in continuing this.
he is either trolling or is hopelessly stupid.
who wanted to read the truth can do it, who wants to throw his money to scammers will do it anyway, no point in continuing this.
All you people on this forum are insane to trust a whole currency created by some anonymous guy. Seems WAY too shady. Please provide me the real identity of Satoshi Nakamoto or I call this whole Bitcoin business a huge scam. TYVM!
You're confused.
If you would happily hand over millions of dollars to a Panamanian shelf company without even knowing the name of the guy who's taking it from you... I'm sorry to say you're the "clueless 'financial expert'" you claim this forum is full of.
It pains me to see the quality of bitcoin cons fall to such jaw-dropping lows, but i will not stop you from giving away your coin.
Peace.
If you would happily hand over millions of dollars to a Panamanian shelf company without even knowing the name of the guy who's taking it from you... I'm sorry to say you're the "clueless 'financial expert'" you claim this forum is full of.
It pains me to see the quality of bitcoin cons fall to such jaw-dropping lows, but i will not stop you from giving away your coin.
Peace.
Neo&Bee is probably most established crypto stock right now and they can vouch for these guys, as I was saying. You can pick up the phone and call them. I don't think they'd shy away for giving out their names. Remind me again what's one of best selling stocks in here? Who's friedcat? Do you know who he is? Can you call him on the phone? I rest my case.
I didn't buy their stock so I didn't really look into it in detail. What I'm saying should give you pause because you'll probably end up looking foolish when more info surfaces about these guys.
Lol, you actually worry about me looking foolish on the off chance this proves *not* to be a scam?
If you're investing to make yourself look clever, you're doing it wrong
As far as who's friedcat: He's the guy whose stock i'm happy as shit i ain't holdin'. It tanked
Do you do anything besides create FUD?
He's warning you, but you are free to gift your money to scammers, np.
Jimothy, you just don't understand how life works. The burden of proof is always on the guy with his hand reaching for my pocket, not the other way around. If you want to make the trip worth my while, pay my air fair, expenses, plus a nominal consideration for my time, please shoot me an offer. I will consider it
Besides the fact that there is plenty of proof. Anyone interested could take a look at havelock's post history.
Bro, you're not even trying. Would someone who ran a reputable business misspell its name in the prospectus? Twice?! In two different alternative spellings?!!
I'm not trying because it is clearly a waste of time. Next you will be telling me because havelock is not wearing matching socks they are definitely a scam.
Conspiracy theories don't ever disappear, they just keep changing and adapting to the new info given.
Goodbye.
On behalf of everyone in this subforum, thank you and don't come again. Jimothy, you just don't understand how life works. The burden of proof is always on the guy with his hand reaching for my pocket, not the other way around. If you want to make the trip worth my while, pay my air fair, expenses, plus a nominal consideration for my time, please shoot me an offer. I will consider it
Besides the fact that there is plenty of proof. Anyone interested could take a look at havelock's post history.
Bro, you're not even trying. Would someone who ran a reputable business misspell its name in the prospectus? Twice?! In two different alternative spellings?!!
Edit: Now you're just spamming. Goodbye.
Jimmothy, i hate repeating this, but you insist:
Thus far, if you have invested in bitcoin securities, you are either deeply regretting it, or you're a raving lunatic. I want scammers and idiots to stop shitting up my bitcoin. I'm tired of being embarrassed to admit to being a bitcoiner. I'm tired of people assuming that i'm someone ... like you.
Thus far, if you have invested in bitcoin securities, you are either deeply regretting it, or you're a raving lunatic. I want scammers and idiots to stop shitting up my bitcoin. I'm tired of being embarrassed to admit to being a bitcoiner. I'm tired of people assuming that i'm someone ... like you.
Unless you invested in AM or one of the other companies that did not fail... Why are you wasting your time here? Your conspiracy theories that are constantly addressed and put to rest contribute nothing besides FUD.
You will notice you are in fact alone in all your conspiracy theories.
Jimothy, no matter how many times you repeat "conspiracy theories," no matter how you underline it, you're still dead wrong.
As i have said before, just because there are people who won the lotto, it does not mean that "investing" in lottery tickets is smart. It's not. Only idiots and suckers do it. Please stop. I hate feeling sorry for people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory
Changing your reasons to call havelock a scam every week is exactly how conspiracy theories work. As soon as more evidence is revealed, a new theory from you will pop up until yet again it has to be disproven.
Jimmothy, i hate repeating this, but you insist:
Thus far, if you have invested in bitcoin securities, you are either deeply regretting it, or you're a raving lunatic. I want scammers and idiots to stop shitting up my bitcoin. I'm tired of being embarrassed to admit to being a bitcoiner. I'm tired of people assuming that i'm someone ... like you.
Thus far, if you have invested in bitcoin securities, you are either deeply regretting it, or you're a raving lunatic. I want scammers and idiots to stop shitting up my bitcoin. I'm tired of being embarrassed to admit to being a bitcoiner. I'm tired of people assuming that i'm someone ... like you.
Unless you invested in AM or one of the other companies that did not fail... Why are you wasting your time here? Your conspiracy theories that are constantly addressed and put to rest contribute nothing besides FUD.
You will notice you are in fact alone in all your conspiracy theories.
Jimothy, no matter how many times you repeat "conspiracy theories," no matter how you underline it, you're still dead wrong.
As i have said before, just because there are people who won the lotto, it does not mean that "investing" in lottery tickets is smart. It's not. Only idiots and suckers do it. Please stop. I hate feeling sorry for people.
Jimothy, you just don't understand how life works. The burden of proof is always on the guy with his hand reaching for my pocket, not the other way around. If you want to make the trip worth my while, pay my air fair, expenses, plus a nominal consideration for my time, please shoot me an offer. I will consider it
Besides the fact that there is plenty of proof. Anyone interested could take a look at havelock's post history.
Jimmothy, i hate repeating this, but you insist:
Thus far, if you have invested in bitcoin securities, you are either deeply regretting it, or you're a raving lunatic. I want scammers and idiots to stop shitting up my bitcoin. I'm tired of being embarrassed to admit to being a bitcoiner. I'm tired of people assuming that i'm someone ... like you.
Thus far, if you have invested in bitcoin securities, you are either deeply regretting it, or you're a raving lunatic. I want scammers and idiots to stop shitting up my bitcoin. I'm tired of being embarrassed to admit to being a bitcoiner. I'm tired of people assuming that i'm someone ... like you.
Unless you invested in AM or one of the other companies that did not fail... Why are you wasting your time here? Your conspiracy theories that are constantly addressed and put to rest contribute nothing besides FUD.
You will notice you are in fact alone in all your conspiracy theories.
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You have literally no evidence that panama fund SA is not a legit company. Besides your own speculation and reasoning based on your intense googling skills.
You have literally no evidence that panama fund SA is not a legit company. Besides your own speculation and reasoning based on your intense googling skills.
You're pitiably naive if you think that it's reasonable to give your money to strangers unless i prove, to your satisfaction, that they are scammers. Most adults play thing differently -- they don't hand over their money *until the company proves its legitimacy*.
But hey -- buy buy buy
I dare you to go down to panama and visit their offices like havelock suggested you do. You will probably find a registered private exchange doing exactly everything havelock said. Or you would find an empty office and their "scam" would collapse. Either way you wont do it because you would much rather use your "reasoning".
Jimothy, you just don't understand how life works. The burden of proof is always on the guy with his hand reaching for my pocket, not the other way around. If you want to make the trip worth my while, pay my air fair, expenses, plus a nominal consideration for my time, please shoot me an offer. I will consider it
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Asicminer. Case closed. Not to mention havelock has been around for more than a year and runs anonymously... Although I suppose it is no longer anonymous as it was aquired by the panama fund which has to be registered to someones name.
Asicminer. Case closed. Not to mention havelock has been around for more than a year and runs anonymously... Although I suppose it is no longer anonymous as it was aquired by the panama fund which has to be registered to someones name.
If Havelock was indeed sold, it goes to reason that the new owner != the old owner. The new owner, a Panamanian shelf company, has no track record here. So your allusion to "more than a year" is simply nonsense. And jimmothy, since you obviously know nothing about The Panama Fund, why the attitude?
FUD and more FUD.
Havelocks entire team merged with the panama fund team so new owner = old+new.
No track record according to that site which I have no idea what it is. It is known that panama fund is a private investment company. Meaning no public website or public trading.
Crumbs literally the only person coming up with these conspiracy theories daily is you. It is time you take a break.
You don't understand what "sold" means, do you? When you sell something, you no longer own it. The new owner may keep you on as hired help, but he sure isn't going to consult your ethics. I'm afraid the track record's gone. Under new management.
I'm far from alone in calling this a scam -- Deprived voiced a similar sentiment, offhand
Consider reading more than just the last post before typing.I don't even need to respond to your conspiracy theories. Anyone can just look at havelocks post history and count the number of your conspiracy theories he has had to respond to.
I would just love to know what exactly you do here in the securities forum? You clearly don't invest in any of these companies because to you they are all scams.
Jimmothy, i hate repeating this, but you insist:
Thus far, if you have invested in bitcoin securities, you are either deeply regretting it, or you're a raving lunatic. I want scammers and idiots to stop shitting up my bitcoin. I'm tired of being embarrassed to admit to being a bitcoiner. I'm tired of people assuming that i'm someone ... like you.
...
You have literally no evidence that panama fund SA is not a legit company. Besides your own speculation and reasoning based on your intense googling skills.
You have literally no evidence that panama fund SA is not a legit company. Besides your own speculation and reasoning based on your intense googling skills.
You're pitiably naive if you think that it's reasonable to give your money to strangers unless i prove, to your satisfaction, that they are scammers. Most adults play thing differently -- they don't hand over their money *until the company proves its legitimacy*.
But hey -- buy buy buy
I dare you to go down to panama and visit their offices like havelock suggested you do. You will probably find a registered private exchange doing exactly everything havelock said. Or you would find an empty office and their "scam" would collapse. Either way you wont do it because you would much rather use your "reasoning".
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