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Topic: [HAVELOCK] Mintspare (MS) Bitcoin Electronic Trade-in Service - Official Thread - page 3. (Read 35954 times)

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so is this dead?

no replies to any questions. no financial reports. nothing.

at what point does this thing de-list with funds in escrow going back to shareholders?

Im starting to guess never  Roll Eyes
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Good news everyone!  The value of your holdings has just been tripled!



legendary
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so is this dead?

no replies to any questions. no financial reports. nothing.

at what point does this thing de-list with funds in escrow going back to shareholders?

Im starting to guess never  Roll Eyes
newbie
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so is this dead?

no replies to any questions. no financial reports. nothing.

at what point does this thing de-list with funds in escrow going back to shareholders?
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The fact that they know it is illegal in those country's and still accept them, makes it conspiracy and aiding and abetting securities fraud.

Conspiracy charges are charges that a person has entered into an agreement with another person to commit a crime or an illegal act. A successful conviction for a conspiracy charge requires that an act was taken to begin carrying out the agreemetn. Before a defendant makes any final decisions about how to proceed with a conspiracy allegation, they should understand the nature of the charges, any possible defenses, and the penalties associated with the charge.

Aiding and Abetting Under the Federal Securities Laws

To establish a claim for aiding and abetting, the SEC must plead and prove: (1) the existence of a securities law violation by the primary  party; (2) the aider and abettor’s knowledge of the primary violation; and (3) “substantial assistance” by the aider and abettor in the achievement of the primary violation.

Panama is very extradition friendly with the USA as well. This also puts all U.S. security operators on Havelock at risk. I would like to know how they can explain this one.

http://books.google.com/books?id=hzM3AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA2851#v=onepage&q&f=false

They pretty much sealed their illegal actions with those statements and then allowing U.S. company's to list or allowing U.S. residents to list.

FYI, if your a U.S. citizen just because you have a offshore company does not give you impunity from U.S laws. Ex Buying a Shelf corp to skirt U.S. security laws.
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Legitimate business Cheesy

Lol their own terms of service specifically prohibit US persons from using their website:



https://www.havelockinvestments.com/havelock-tos.pdf

MintSpare is located in Miami, FL, US.  Mr. Mint is a US Person, issuing unregistered securities through an unlicenced exchange.  Havelock, in breach of its own TOS, has vetted, vouched for, solicited funds for and is still allegedly holding a portion of the raised funds.  All this for an American company, operated by a US person from US soil.
And is too cheap to give said funds back Angry

Please understand that I'm not against scamming, simply against artless, incompetent, lowbrow scamming that trips over its own shoelaces and contradicts itself with every word.
A man should strive to excel at his craft, regardless of whether he's building a skyscraper or conning some coin from clueless rubes.  
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@KarmaShark:  Did Havelock mention "end of the year" to you, or are you ad-libbing?

A half of a year is more than enough time to deal with this situation. Assuming Havelock wants to run a legitimate business through a model that doesn't impoverish its customer base or expose them to fraud, they will do something about this eventually. If they continue to remain silent they are making a much more powerful statement to their customers than any "we try our best to vet each company we bring you" canned response could ever make.
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@KarmaShark:  Did Havelock mention "end of the year" to you, or are you ad-libbing?
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I am sure Havelock will respond and take action on this as promised before the end of the year.
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Mintspare founder should be ashamed.
legendary
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Is no one going to respond to this? chop might troll but they do bring up a valid point.

Very valid point
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Is no one going to respond to this? chop might troll but they do bring up a valid point.
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... Not generating Havelock any profits...

Havelock is holding 100BTC from the IPO if we're to take his their word seriously.  It's sorta hard, 'coz...

...We don't disclose the exact amount of funds currently held in escrow for each of our Funds...

...and then disclose the amount currently held in escrow:

We are still holding 100 BTC in escrow for MS
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Last trade was on 2014-07-06


MS has a deadbeat operator, and no liquidity. Not generating Havelock any profits so I don't see why they bother to keep it up, only losing them face
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and now another week? is havelock really sitting on material information - for weeks?

someone's just gotta pull the plug on this one . . .
legendary
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Learning the troll avoidance button :)
Update is under review by Havelock.

Well a week has passed it does seem like a good time to ask for an estimate of when it will be updated
Happy 4th
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Update still under review? That's a long time for Havelock to sit on some pretty important information . . .
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^How's it going bro, all good?
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Update is under review by Havelock.
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