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Topic: [HAVELOCK] PETAMINE - 1,150 TH/S HASH RATE (1GH/S per Unit) - page 56. (Read 565829 times)

hero member
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Someone trying to accumulate, or someone who doesn't know how to trade, what's the verdict  Roll Eyes ?

LOL. How do you accumulate through asks ?


LOL. you set them up in batches from 0.6 to 0.4 and watch them get undercut.
take a guess what happens when the ask/bid spread thins out
legendary
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Looks like price is going to stabilize in 0.04 to 0.05 range as lots of people picked-up shares at these prices.

"Lots of people", volume is still very very low. Most shareholders will only see the light after a few more plummeting dividends, as they seem immune to math or reason. Check back in a month or so.
legendary
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Someone trying to accumulate, or someone who doesn't know how to trade, what's the verdict  Roll Eyes ?

LOL. How do you accumulate through asks ?

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Looks like price is going to stabilize in 0.04 to 0.05 range as lots of people picked-up shares at these prices. People hurt from previous panic sell are trying to get out but now is not the right time any more , not till next Friday divs at least.

Wrong. The price is going to drop below 0.02. The new DataTank technology is going to render PETA and many other mining operations unprofitable. Everybody is trying to get rid of PETA shares in order to get out and save some bitcoins for investing in DTMA when it is going to be availiable in a few days.

Actually you are WRONG as well. Bitcoin miners will themselves render Bitcoin mining unprofitable or just marginally profitable. Last December PETA was looked at the same way. The mine was to start in mid-January and everyone should have had their shares paid for in full just by dividends alone at this point. I am happy with the performance of the mine and I think Cryptx is doing an excellent job given that manufacturing delays are out of his control.

It will be the same with every mining technology that is the next greatest thing to come out. There are many problems that can occur with immersive cooling in addition to manufactures delays for the chips themselves. Hash power will continue to go up. DTMA has a timeframe of 3 to 6 months to get started. I would rather have 3 to 6 months of dividends from PETA, a currently proven successful mine, than a 3 to 6 month wait on something unproven.

Bitcoin mining has become like a dog chasing its tail. You can bet that as long as there are large margins that more miners will start up until the margins are gone. BTC mining as a whole currently sucks back 120 Megawatts of power. If the rates of increase continue by the time of next block reward halving it will consume the output of a Nuclear plant. In four years it would grow at a rate that would require a Nuclear plant to be built every month; just to supply power for BTC mining. Areas with cheap power will attract huge mining farms, until those very BTC farms begin causing shortages in those areas and the government begins enacting legislation to stop such activities or at least tax them for being wasteful.

I will probably pick up a few shares of DTMA myself, but I do not blindly believe it will be the end-point in mining.
hero member
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Someone trying to accumulate, or someone who doesn't know how to trade, what's the verdict  Roll Eyes ?
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Looks like price is going to stabilize in 0.04 to 0.05 range as lots of people picked-up shares at these prices. People hurt from previous panic sell are trying to get out but now is not the right time any more , not till next Friday divs at least.

Wrong. The price is going to drop below 0.02. The new DataTank technology is going to render PETA and many other mining operations unprofitable. Everybody is trying to get rid of PETA shares in order to get out and save some bitcoins for investing in DTMA when it is going to be availiable in a few days.

You should save these good lines for later, you will need them.
newbie
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Looks like price is going to stabilize in 0.04 to 0.05 range as lots of people picked-up shares at these prices. People hurt from previous panic sell are trying to get out but now is not the right time any more , not till next Friday divs at least.

Wrong. The price is going to drop below 0.02. The new DataTank technology is going to render PETA and many other mining operations unprofitable. Everybody is trying to get rid of PETA shares in order to get out and save some bitcoins for investing in DTMA when it is going to be availiable in a few days.
hero member
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This thread should be shut down, as it no longer serves any purpose.

I come to this thread for information, but there isn't any here anymore. CryptX has made it clear that they'll communicate with shareholders through Havelock, and that has consistently been once a week, every Friday, for a while now. Updates here are just copies of the Havelock updates.

Everything else is just speculation, and should be in the speculation thread here.



hero member
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Looks like price is going to stabilize in 0.04 to 0.05 range as lots of people picked-up shares at these prices. People hurt from previous panic sell are trying to get out but now is not the right time any more , not till next Friday divs at least.
legendary
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If it did reflect value, it would be at about .02 at the highest.

The current price reflects that somehow this security is going to become profitable in the long term. The mine hash speed has to get ahead of the bitcoin network hash curve... I just don't see how that can be achieved. Someone please step in and show me some numbers. I can take being wrong, but I just don't see it. The amount of risk in PETA is astronomical.

The only answer is drastically lower hosting costs and access to mining hardware at cost.


Hey newbie, stop making sense. Its not appreciated around here.
Wink
legendary
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1. The share price does not reflect value, it reflects emotion and opinion

Not too mention: ignorance, delusion and blind faith in the greater fool theory/

Now generally, I would actually agree that share price isnt that important, especially if you are a long term investor. But please do the math on what the long term could possibly offer you besides the current bid book. Maybe thats when your eyes will open.
newbie
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If it did reflect value, it would be at about .02 at the highest.

The current price reflects that somehow this security is going to become profitable in the long term. The mine hash speed has to get ahead of the bitcoin network hash curve... I just don't see how that can be achieved. Someone please step in and show me some numbers. I can take being wrong, but I just don't see it. The amount of risk in PETA is astronomical.

The only answer is drastically lower hosting costs and access to mining hardware at cost.


sr. member
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1. The share price does not reflect value, it reflects emotion and opinion

That's one of the reasons why it's not ~.02.  People simply can't come to terms with the scale of their mistake.
Hard to accept that so much of their coin has evaporated so fast.
It's called denial.  It's a stage.  It will pass.
newbie
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To all those who have sold their shares well below the initial IPO price, and to those who are selling anywhere near the initial IPO price:

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/239576320/hE1CB5DD4/

You are all being very weak minded, numbers and calculations are great, but you are forgetting many variables of outcome. I feel sorry for all those who have sold where they have yesterday and are selling at today. However, you have made many people happy. Hopefully the karma comes back on you all lol. As for people "who we shall not name" continue to spread FUD and harm this project for personal gain I question you all, did you have fun yet? (Rhetorical question, don't bother to answer.) In any case, stop being weak people, is this really all it takes to break the 'trust' in this project?


Be stronger than that. Things are no where near detrimental yet.  Cheesy



Sweet jesus, does anyone even look at the orderbook before freaking out?

The sum of the shares for sale under 0.07 is 2% of the total...

I don't really mind what happens too much (long run and all that), but let me say for the more nervous forum readers:

1. The share price does not reflect value, it reflects emotion and opinion
2. The shares for sale on Havelock are FAR below the amount of shares out there
3. The above means that a lot of people simply aren't even interested in selling their shares
4. There is a reason the Cryptx team stopped looking at this forum, too much BS
5. Use your brain, never sell or buy based on emotion. Take a day of thinking and research before you sell/buy unless you are a speculator (in which case, happy hunting these last few days)

I'm going to stop looking at this thread too, at least for a while. Too much panic and unconstructive argument for my taste.
sr. member
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0.04399999.  Back down you go, gentlemen.  I believe the correct technical jargon I'm looking for is "lol."
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I really enjoy this thread.
I sold at 0.08 some weeks ago before the new IPO.
Bought back in since some people here are obviously working on suppressing the price.

I left and bought my own miners because I thought I could outperform this project. I would like to tell you guys about my experience.
Although I got my hardware right away: It doesn't run well and needs constant supervision.

Result: If you want to invest in mining buying mining bonds is much better than buying hardware.
No maintenance, no hassle, just weekly returns...

In my opinion all Bitcoin related predictions are absolutely irrelevant.
The future of Bitcoin can not be predicted by any mathematical equations.
The future of mining is going to be projects like the Petamine. Since the management team of this project has proven to be trustworthy and professional I believe in the success of this project.

Another IPO is of course possible. Of course it is also possible that the share price remains low.
This is still a very small investment here. Difficulty increases will not continue at this rate forever.

Panic selling and panic buying... is what the sharks are profiting from.
Keep your cool and do your own homework.

You are right, I almost feel bad for what happened last night, a 50%+ drop in value turned out to be REALLY profitable for some of us. I said it before in this thread, graphs and numbers cant predict surprises and miracles. Play the game, stop talking about it!
newbie
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I really enjoy this thread.
I sold at 0.08 some weeks ago before the new IPO.
Bought back in since some people here are obviously working on suppressing the price.

I left and bought my own miners because I thought I could outperform this project. I would like to tell you guys about my experience.
Although I got my hardware right away: It doesn't run well and needs constant supervision.

Result: If you want to invest in mining buying mining bonds is much better than buying hardware.
No maintenance, no hassle, just weekly returns...

In my opinion all Bitcoin related predictions are absolutely irrelevant.
The future of Bitcoin can not be predicted by any mathematical equations.
The future of mining is going to be projects like the Petamine. Since the management team of this project has proven to be trustworthy and professional I believe in the success of this project.

Another IPO is of course possible. Of course it is also possible that the share price remains low.
This is still a very small investment here. Difficulty increases will not continue at this rate forever.

Panic selling and panic buying... is what the sharks are profiting from.
Keep your cool and do your own homework.
legendary
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Quick, everyone hurry up and sell so that jonsai/Puppet can buy your shares on the cheap.

I don't own shares of peta and never did and never will (maybe if i receive it for free). I don't even have any funds on Havelock. I stated that the price for ScryptX was overestimated and will only go down right from the IPO (do you thing I wanted to to buy lower IPO shares? ). My only motive is that I'm sick and tired of all this vampires sucking the blood of naive bitcoiner with this kind of "investment oportunities" , but no reason to trust me, do as you feel is best for you.
legendary
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Here's where my understanding differs.  
1. Block generation is probabilistic, so the generation time varies due to many factors.  <-- correct?
2. When someone else publishes a block, all work we've previously done is wasted and we need to base our calculations on the new block.  <-- half correct?
3. In addition, we wasted a small amount of effort (spent calculating on old data) that is proportional to latency <-- correct but usually insignificant?
4. Therefore, we are competing against the entire network hash, and our expected returns inversely varies closer to network hash than difficulty.  <-- this is what i'm unsure about
5. Even if the above reasoning is wrong, a thought experiment shows that the conclusion must be correct.  If network hash rate somehow doubles right after a difficulty adjustment, it is clear that our expected return will approximately halve even before the next difficulty adjustment.

Let me start by point 5, which is completely wrong. Your return will remain (virtually) identical for the next ~2000 blocks.  I gave you the formula, it doesnt change with network speed, nor block generation speed, all that matters is your hashrate vs current difficulty. That gives you the probability of solving a block, nothing else. Of course if you double the network speed, the next difficulty adjustment will increase by a factor of 2x and it will happen twice as fast. But until then, your revenue per GH remains the same. Difficulty trails network speed, and therefore, as long as the network grows, we are mining more than the "planned" 25 BTC / 10 minutes. As has been happening for years now.

The chance of producing an orphan or stale block always exists, but assuming a decent network connection, its on the order of <1% . I guess theoretically that number will increase if block generation speed increases, but thats not something you would ever experience and is completely statistical noise compared to all the rest. Besides, it would apply to everyone solving blocks, so it would again reduce block generation speed proportionally. TLDR; it doesnt matter. Difficulty and hashrate are all that matter.
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Maybe I'm wrong about this, but...  the difficulty level tells how hard it is to find a block; from this we can also calculate expected interval between finding blocks.  But this assumes that the network hashrate remains constant since the last difficulty adjustment.  In reality, the expected mining returns would trend more closely with network hashrate, especially if the hashrate increases significantly.  

Correct?

Its the other way round. Difficulty is a number that determines what the odds are to find a block with a given hashrate. Average time in seconds is: difficulty * 2^32 / hashrate.

Difficulty is tuned so the entire network on average will find one block every 10 minutes. But if the overall network hashrate is bigger than before the previous adjustment,  more blocks will be found than once every 10 minutes and so overall block generation time goes down, which will cause the next difficulty to rise.
This is also what I understand, up to this part.
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But your individual block generation time for your particular hashrate remains exactly the same until the difficulty changes.

Here's where my understanding differs.  
1. Block generation is probabilistic, so the generation time varies due to many factors.  <-- correct?
2. When someone else publishes a block, all work we've previously done is wasted and we need to base our calculations on the new block.  <-- half correct?
3. In addition, we wasted a small amount of effort (spent calculating on old data) that is proportional to latency <-- correct but usually insignificant?
4. Therefore, we are competing against the entire network hash, and our expected returns inversely varies closer to network hash than difficulty.  <-- this is what i'm unsure about
5. Even if the above reasoning is wrong, a thought experiment shows that the conclusion must be correct.  If network hash rate somehow doubles right after a difficulty adjustment, it is clear that our expected return will approximately halve even before the next difficulty adjustment.

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