Topic: Health and Religion - page 129. (Read 210900 times)

But you DID post it. And you know quite well you did post it. It is posted right above in one of your reply posts, if nowhere else. So, YOU DID post it after all. And you want to lie about it? And badmouth me on top of your lies?

Mwahahahahahaha. You can't get away with it, no matter how hard you try. Even deleting the post will only show you to be a liar more firmly.

Imagine for a moment that this is not an abstract philosophical question but a walk down a twisting and branching alleyway. First there is a single way with no choice but soon we come across a fork and from the single path we find two. To the right there is carefully laid cobblestone engraved with the words of theism. To the left there is newly pressed brick and a crisp printed sign labeled atheism.

As we walk down these paths we find the walls of our alleyway glowing with living and undulating writings. These are runic words and assumptions indeed the core of each choice. As we accept them they detach themselves from alley walls gently merging with and setting over us forming a fine film over our skin, eyes and ears. Their function is that of a filter interpreting and cataloging the world around us.

If we choose the brick road we soon come across a second fork. Here we see a dark and shadowy opening into nihilism and a large and particularly well worn path into hedonism. Small branches into esoteric philosophies can also be found. The road of hedonism leads to a smaller opening into ethical hedonism and finally a tiny path into utilitarianism. Here the road ends and we find ourselves facing a brick wall covered with the words and beliefs of the choice we have made. This is were my own journey took me the blind alley where I spent 15 years thinking I had arrived at end of the road.

Does rejecting atheism on purely utilitarian grounds bother me? On the contrary it is the purest, cleanest, and most liberating rejection of atheism, ethical hedonism and utilitarianism that I can possibly imagine. It is the final realization that the complex writings on the brick wall translate into a single sentence. "Wrong way turn around!"

The arguments in this thread should not be thought of as strong theist arguments. Indeed a true and strong believer will likely find them all a little off and a little odd like a TV whose tuning is sort of correct but just a bit wrong throwing static into the picture. They would correctly argue that it is through faith not through happiness that creates a true belief in God.

The words of faith, however, cannot reach those far along the brick road. They are blocked or interpreted as nonsensical by the filter of assumptions those on this road have adopted. To grasp these deeper arguments one must first turn around travel back to the original fork in the road. Only then as the assumptions of atheism peel away is possible to hear and truly consider the deeper arguments of faith.

The arguments herein will not prove convincing to all atheist as the filter each atheist had adopted is different. My sense of self preservation kept me far away from the shadowy road of nihilism but there are branches there that teach that life has no intrinsic meaning or value. That life is insignificant without purpose and that even continued existence is meaningless. For those that have fully accepted this belief it is possible that even utilitarian arguments of health and happiness will be filtered out as nonsensical.

My argument is that atheism is false. As for what is true I cannot help you for I have only taken a few steps down the cobblestone road and do not yet know where it will take me.

But, common knowledge and logical explanations can often decide the battle between a religious sect and an Atheist group.
It is highly ridiculous to disregard the fact that God does not exist when we have some common sense.

You know quite well I didn't post any Jesus pictures and yet you try to convince everyone that I did.

My point is you were either lying or covering up your own confusion or trying to confuse other people. You made things up and then back-peddled. Again.

Yes you are right. People should realize that Atheism comes from a lack of knowledge and information and misinterpretation of their understanding of what is and what is not.

@CoinCube - does it bother you that you're simply making Religion a utilitarian necessity? "If you follow a religion, you'll be happier. healthier, etc". It doesn't matter if there's a god or not, right, as long as you're better off in a religion?

And then that the reverse is also true -- that if you're unhappier and unhealthier in a religion, you'd be better off not being in a religion?

This is certainly one way of looking at the world. It's one of many conclusions one can reach about the universe especially if one chooses to adopt the assumptions of nihilism.

However, this is far from the only logical conclusion one can reach. There are reasons to think that the universe is far more complex then we currently envision indeed that for all our science our understanding remains infantile.


When you have two logical but competing and mutually exclusive intellectual structures both unfalsifiable from their starting assumptions what is the logical next step? How does one rationally choose between them?

One approach is to examine what happens to the individuals who chose to adopt these intellectual structures. This is approach that led me to gather the various data highlighted in the opening post.

You can't keep holding somebody's hand their entire life. That's what Christianity does. It protects you from the harsh truth of reality and how you're going to die alone. It gives them a sense of happiness. It's less scary knowing that you're going to paradise rather than knowing that NOTHINGNESS awaits you after you die.

As usual, you intentionally misunderstand.

In the picture of Jesus, above, the words are not quotes of Jesus found in the Bible.

The things in the referenced atheism site are the dogma of the atheism religion.

Do you have a point?

And you said they were quoting Jesus. Your point?

But you quoted it from the standpoint that sounded like you were agreeing with it, the things in the atheism website. Those things are part of the dogma of the atheism religion. And you seem to agree with them.

What? I quoted nothing except an excerpt from an atheism website. I'm certain none of it consists of Jesus' quotes.

You need to learn what atheism is not. The major thing it is not is, atheism is not truth.

In your picture, above, you have falsely quoted the things that Jesus said. Do you really know the things that Jesus said? Have you really gotten into the Bible?

Wake up. Your atheism dream religion (yes, religion; see the atheism dogma you quoted above) is the exact thing that is killing you.

Atheists are actually able to say "Jesus" and recite quotes from the bible -- it's not a solely Christian ability. You need to learn what an atheist is.

https://atheists.org/activism/resources/what-is-atheism

Alright! You are not an atheist then. What's the point? All your quoting doesn't prove or disprove the fact that atheism is poison. If it does, how? The quoting of Jesus shows that God exists.

    

This is not new... I have been quoting Jesus to you for months... since you clearly have no clue what the man said in the bible

Now you are touting a particular religion other than atheism?     Fickle.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect:
The two significant parts of the above are the word "concept" and the words "weather prediction." Have you ever noticed that the weatherman is only right on what seems like random occasion? Have you ever noticed that concepts are not laws, but only ideas? Are you fluttering around like a butterfly?

Yet they all revolve around the same basic dogma... that God doesn't exist. Some of them don't participate in discussion about it, just like some weaker people of other religions don't go to church. Some atheists get together with other atheists and set up methods in their minds about how all things came into being, and about what the purpose of their lives might be. All of it is just like religion. So, it is a religion.