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March 06, 2016, 08:51:44 AM
Atheism can send the wrong message across to people, especially those weaker in faith but brushed off and laughed at by every religious sect out there. It is not a religion, just a group of non believers.
Yes you are right. People should realize that Atheism comes from a lack of knowledge and information and misinterpretation of their understanding of what is and what is not.
But, common knowledge and logical explanations can often decide the battle between a religious sect and an Atheist group.
It is highly ridiculous to disregard the fact that God does not exist when we have some common sense.
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March 06, 2016, 04:41:07 AM
Alright! You are not an atheist then. What's the point? All your quoting doesn't prove or disprove the fact that atheism is poison. If it does, how? The quoting of Jesus shows that God exists.

    Cool

Atheists are actually able to say "Jesus" and recite quotes from the bible -- it's not a solely Christian ability. You need to learn what an atheist is.

https://atheists.org/activism/resources/what-is-atheism

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WHAT IS ATHEISM?

No one asks this question enough.

The reason no one asks this question a lot is because most people have preconceived ideas and notions about what an Atheist is and is not. Where these preconceived ideas come from varies, but they tend to evolve from theistic influences or other sources.

Atheism is usually defined incorrectly as a belief system. Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods. Older dictionaries define atheism as "a belief that there is no God." Some dictionaries even go so far as to define Atheism as "wickedness," "sinfulness," and other derogatory adjectives. Clearly, theistic influence taints dictionaries. People cannot trust these dictionaries to define atheism. The fact that dictionaries define Atheism as "there is no God" betrays the (mono)theistic influence. Without the (mono)theistic influence, the definition would at least read "there are no gods."

Why should atheists allow theists to define who atheists are? Do other minorities allow the majority to define their character, views, and opinions? No, they do not. So why does everyone expect atheists to lie down and accept the definition placed upon them by the world’s theists? Atheists will define themselves.

Atheism is not a belief system nor is it a religion. While there are some religions that are atheistic (certain sects of Buddhism, for example), that does not mean that atheism is a religion. Two commonly used retorts to the nonsense that atheism is a religion are: 1) If atheism is a religion then bald is a hair color, and 2) If atheism is a religion then health is a disease. A new one introduced in 2012 by Bill Maher is, "If atheism is a religion, then abstinence is a sexual position."

The only common thread that ties all atheists together is a lack of belief in gods and supernatural beings. Some of the best debates we have ever had have been with fellow atheists. This is because atheists do not have a common belief system, sacred scripture or atheist Pope. This means atheists often disagree on many issues and ideas. Atheists come in a variety of shapes, colors, beliefs, convictions, and backgrounds. We are as unique as our fingerprints.

You need to learn what atheism is not. The major thing it is not is, atheism is not truth.

In your picture, above, you have falsely quoted the things that Jesus said. Do you really know the things that Jesus said? Have you really gotten into the Bible?

Wake up. Your atheism dream religion (yes, religion; see the atheism dogma you quoted above) is the exact thing that is killing you.

Cool

What? I quoted nothing except an excerpt from an atheism website. I'm certain none of it consists of Jesus' quotes.



But you quoted it from the standpoint that sounded like you were agreeing with it, the things in the atheism website. Those things are part of the dogma of the atheism religion. And you seem to agree with them.

Cool

And you said they were quoting Jesus. Your point?

As usual, you intentionally misunderstand.

In the picture of Jesus, above, the words are not quotes of Jesus found in the Bible.

The things in the referenced atheism site are the dogma of the atheism religion.

Do you have a point?

Cool


You know quite well I didn't post any Jesus pictures and yet you try to convince everyone that I did.

My point is you were either lying or covering up your own confusion or trying to confuse other people. You made things up and then back-peddled. Again.







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March 06, 2016, 04:25:25 AM
Atheism can send the wrong message across to people, especially those weaker in faith but brushed off and laughed at by every religious sect out there. It is not a religion, just a group of non believers.
Yes you are right. People should realize that Atheism comes from a lack of knowledge and information and misinterpretation of their understanding of what is and what is not.
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March 05, 2016, 08:55:53 PM
@CoinCube - does it bother you that you're simply making Religion a utilitarian necessity? "If you follow a religion, you'll be happier. healthier, etc". It doesn't matter if there's a god or not, right, as long as you're better off in a religion?

And then that the reverse is also true -- that if you're unhappier and unhealthier in a religion, you'd be better off not being in a religion?

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March 05, 2016, 07:09:41 PM

Have you considered that the universe is a scary and cold place, and considering it in its true nature does not make one happy?  
  
What makes a child happier: 1.) Believing a magical elf brings presents from the North Pole because of good behavior, or 2.) Understanding that presents come from mom and dad's hard work, and when you hear them worrying about money or fighting over it - you know in some small way you are a part of that stress?  
  
The truth rarely bring happiness, merely a sense of intellectual relief.  It also usually creates more questions than it answers, despite any temporary enlightenment.  How many of us would ever leave the womb, if given the choice?  It is warm and safe in there - and everything is taken care of.  But outside that womb is where life happens and things get complicated.  
  
Religion is like the intellectual womb - except this is one you have to choose to leave, and it's scary and takes strength of character to do so.
You can't keep holding somebody's hand their entire life. That's what Christianity does. It protects you from the harsh truth of reality and how you're going to die alone. It gives them a sense of happiness. It's less scary knowing that you're going to paradise rather than knowing that NOTHINGNESS awaits you after you die.

This is certainly one way of looking at the world. It's one of many conclusions one can reach about the universe especially if one chooses to adopt the assumptions of nihilism.

However, this is far from the only logical conclusion one can reach. There are reasons to think that the universe is far more complex then we currently envision indeed that for all our science our understanding remains infantile.


Quantum Mechanics offers us a deep insight that the world is not as it appears to our senses. It is quantum mechanics that leads us to the conclusion that we may actually be living in a Holographic Universe. The idea the the the world around us indeed the entire universe is simply the projection of a deeper reality.  

In his essay The Universe Anonymint draws our attention to the the holographic principle. Specifically the fascinating notion that when you combine the the holographic principle with the thermodynamic quantities of heat and mechanical work it is relatively straightforward to derive Newton’s classical equation of gravity.

These ideas are difficult to grasp and at this stage they remain theoretical physics. However, there are a growing number of scientist who are taking them very seriously.

Below is a great introductory video on the topic. I recommend it to anyone who has difficulty accepting the possibility of a deeper fundamental truth and reality.  
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMBt_yfGKpU

When you have two logical but competing and mutually exclusive intellectual structures both unfalsifiable from their starting assumptions what is the logical next step? How does one rationally choose between them?

One approach is to examine what happens to the individuals who chose to adopt these intellectual structures. This is approach that led me to gather the various data highlighted in the opening post.


Atheism is the acceptance of the following assumption:

Theism cannot be definitively and empirically proven and is therefore untrue.

This assumption leads to the rejection of religion when individual atheist decide that they are unconvinced by the available data. Acceptance of this assumption is an error for the following reasons:

1) Metaphysically because the choice (in isolation) voids the existing moral structure rendering the decision itself morally incoherent.

2) Biologically because a sound moral structure is necessary for a healthy life and rejecting traditional structures appears to reduce health, happiness, and fertility.

3) Anthropologically because religion is a critical and perhaps primary mechanism for overcoming our species-specific upper limit to group size which is set by purely cognitive constraints.

In addition we must consider that the assumption itself may simply be false. Specifically:

Theism may be correct and true even if it cannot be definitively and empirically proven.

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March 05, 2016, 03:26:09 PM

Have you considered that the universe is a scary and cold place, and considering it in its true nature does not make one happy? 
 
What makes a child happier: 1.) Believing a magical elf brings presents from the North Pole because of good behavior, or 2.) Understanding that presents come from mom and dad's hard work, and when you hear them worrying about money or fighting over it - you know in some small way you are a part of that stress? 
 
The truth rarely bring happiness, merely a sense of intellectual relief.  It also usually creates more questions than it answers, despite any temporary enlightenment.  How many of us would ever leave the womb, if given the choice?  It is warm and safe in there - and everything is taken care of.  But outside that womb is where life happens and things get complicated. 
 
Religion is like the intellectual womb - except this is one you have to choose to leave, and it's scary and takes strength of character to do so.
You can't keep holding somebody's hand their entire life. That's what Christianity does. It protects you from the harsh truth of reality and how you're going to die alone. It gives them a sense of happiness. It's less scary knowing that you're going to paradise rather than knowing that NOTHINGNESS awaits you after you die.
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March 05, 2016, 02:58:17 PM

What? I quoted nothing except an excerpt from an atheism website. I'm certain none of it consists of Jesus' quotes.



But you quoted it from the standpoint that sounded like you were agreeing with it, the things in the atheism website. Those things are part of the dogma of the atheism religion. And you seem to agree with them.

Cool

And you said they were quoting Jesus. Your point?

As usual, you intentionally misunderstand.

In the picture of Jesus, above, the words are not quotes of Jesus found in the Bible.

The things in the referenced atheism site are the dogma of the atheism religion.

Do you have a point?

Cool
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March 04, 2016, 10:59:55 PM

What? I quoted nothing except an excerpt from an atheism website. I'm certain none of it consists of Jesus' quotes.



But you quoted it from the standpoint that sounded like you were agreeing with it, the things in the atheism website. Those things are part of the dogma of the atheism religion. And you seem to agree with them.

Cool

And you said they were quoting Jesus. Your point?
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March 04, 2016, 10:01:25 PM

What? I quoted nothing except an excerpt from an atheism website. I'm certain none of it consists of Jesus' quotes.



But you quoted it from the standpoint that sounded like you were agreeing with it, the things in the atheism website. Those things are part of the dogma of the atheism religion. And you seem to agree with them.

Cool
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March 04, 2016, 09:04:24 PM


Now you are touting a particular religion other than atheism?  Huh   Fickle.

This is not new... I have been quoting Jesus to you for months... since you clearly have no clue what the man said in the bible

Alright! You are not an atheist then. What's the point? All your quoting doesn't prove or disprove the fact that atheism is poison. If it does, how? The quoting of Jesus shows that God exists.

    Cool

Atheists are actually able to say "Jesus" and recite quotes from the bible -- it's not a solely Christian ability. You need to learn what an atheist is.

https://atheists.org/activism/resources/what-is-atheism

Quote
WHAT IS ATHEISM?

No one asks this question enough.

The reason no one asks this question a lot is because most people have preconceived ideas and notions about what an Atheist is and is not. Where these preconceived ideas come from varies, but they tend to evolve from theistic influences or other sources.

Atheism is usually defined incorrectly as a belief system. Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods. Older dictionaries define atheism as "a belief that there is no God." Some dictionaries even go so far as to define Atheism as "wickedness," "sinfulness," and other derogatory adjectives. Clearly, theistic influence taints dictionaries. People cannot trust these dictionaries to define atheism. The fact that dictionaries define Atheism as "there is no God" betrays the (mono)theistic influence. Without the (mono)theistic influence, the definition would at least read "there are no gods."

Why should atheists allow theists to define who atheists are? Do other minorities allow the majority to define their character, views, and opinions? No, they do not. So why does everyone expect atheists to lie down and accept the definition placed upon them by the world’s theists? Atheists will define themselves.

Atheism is not a belief system nor is it a religion. While there are some religions that are atheistic (certain sects of Buddhism, for example), that does not mean that atheism is a religion. Two commonly used retorts to the nonsense that atheism is a religion are: 1) If atheism is a religion then bald is a hair color, and 2) If atheism is a religion then health is a disease. A new one introduced in 2012 by Bill Maher is, "If atheism is a religion, then abstinence is a sexual position."

The only common thread that ties all atheists together is a lack of belief in gods and supernatural beings. Some of the best debates we have ever had have been with fellow atheists. This is because atheists do not have a common belief system, sacred scripture or atheist Pope. This means atheists often disagree on many issues and ideas. Atheists come in a variety of shapes, colors, beliefs, convictions, and backgrounds. We are as unique as our fingerprints.

You need to learn what atheism is not. The major thing it is not is, atheism is not truth.

In your picture, above, you have falsely quoted the things that Jesus said. Do you really know the things that Jesus said? Have you really gotten into the Bible?

Wake up. Your atheism dream religion (yes, religion; see the atheism dogma you quoted above) is the exact thing that is killing you.

Cool

What? I quoted nothing except an excerpt from an atheism website. I'm certain none of it consists of Jesus' quotes.

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March 04, 2016, 08:29:31 PM


Now you are touting a particular religion other than atheism?  Huh   Fickle.

This is not new... I have been quoting Jesus to you for months... since you clearly have no clue what the man said in the bible

Alright! You are not an atheist then. What's the point? All your quoting doesn't prove or disprove the fact that atheism is poison. If it does, how? The quoting of Jesus shows that God exists.

    Cool

Atheists are actually able to say "Jesus" and recite quotes from the bible -- it's not a solely Christian ability. You need to learn what an atheist is.

https://atheists.org/activism/resources/what-is-atheism

Quote
WHAT IS ATHEISM?

No one asks this question enough.

The reason no one asks this question a lot is because most people have preconceived ideas and notions about what an Atheist is and is not. Where these preconceived ideas come from varies, but they tend to evolve from theistic influences or other sources.

Atheism is usually defined incorrectly as a belief system. Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods. Older dictionaries define atheism as "a belief that there is no God." Some dictionaries even go so far as to define Atheism as "wickedness," "sinfulness," and other derogatory adjectives. Clearly, theistic influence taints dictionaries. People cannot trust these dictionaries to define atheism. The fact that dictionaries define Atheism as "there is no God" betrays the (mono)theistic influence. Without the (mono)theistic influence, the definition would at least read "there are no gods."

Why should atheists allow theists to define who atheists are? Do other minorities allow the majority to define their character, views, and opinions? No, they do not. So why does everyone expect atheists to lie down and accept the definition placed upon them by the world’s theists? Atheists will define themselves.

Atheism is not a belief system nor is it a religion. While there are some religions that are atheistic (certain sects of Buddhism, for example), that does not mean that atheism is a religion. Two commonly used retorts to the nonsense that atheism is a religion are: 1) If atheism is a religion then bald is a hair color, and 2) If atheism is a religion then health is a disease. A new one introduced in 2012 by Bill Maher is, "If atheism is a religion, then abstinence is a sexual position."

The only common thread that ties all atheists together is a lack of belief in gods and supernatural beings. Some of the best debates we have ever had have been with fellow atheists. This is because atheists do not have a common belief system, sacred scripture or atheist Pope. This means atheists often disagree on many issues and ideas. Atheists come in a variety of shapes, colors, beliefs, convictions, and backgrounds. We are as unique as our fingerprints.

You need to learn what atheism is not. The major thing it is not is, atheism is not truth.

In your picture, above, you have falsely quoted the things that Jesus said. Do you really know the things that Jesus said? Have you really gotten into the Bible?

Wake up. Your atheism dream religion (yes, religion; see the atheism dogma you quoted above) is the exact thing that is killing you.

Cool
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March 04, 2016, 07:14:05 PM


Now you are touting a particular religion other than atheism?  Huh   Fickle.

This is not new... I have been quoting Jesus to you for months... since you clearly have no clue what the man said in the bible

Alright! You are not an atheist then. What's the point? All your quoting doesn't prove or disprove the fact that atheism is poison. If it does, how? The quoting of Jesus shows that God exists.

    Cool

Atheists are actually able to say "Jesus" and recite quotes from the bible -- it's not a solely Christian ability. You need to learn what an atheist is.

https://atheists.org/activism/resources/what-is-atheism

Quote
WHAT IS ATHEISM?

No one asks this question enough.

The reason no one asks this question a lot is because most people have preconceived ideas and notions about what an Atheist is and is not. Where these preconceived ideas come from varies, but they tend to evolve from theistic influences or other sources.

Atheism is usually defined incorrectly as a belief system. Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods. Older dictionaries define atheism as "a belief that there is no God." Some dictionaries even go so far as to define Atheism as "wickedness," "sinfulness," and other derogatory adjectives. Clearly, theistic influence taints dictionaries. People cannot trust these dictionaries to define atheism. The fact that dictionaries define Atheism as "there is no God" betrays the (mono)theistic influence. Without the (mono)theistic influence, the definition would at least read "there are no gods."

Why should atheists allow theists to define who atheists are? Do other minorities allow the majority to define their character, views, and opinions? No, they do not. So why does everyone expect atheists to lie down and accept the definition placed upon them by the world’s theists? Atheists will define themselves.

Atheism is not a belief system nor is it a religion. While there are some religions that are atheistic (certain sects of Buddhism, for example), that does not mean that atheism is a religion. Two commonly used retorts to the nonsense that atheism is a religion are: 1) If atheism is a religion then bald is a hair color, and 2) If atheism is a religion then health is a disease. A new one introduced in 2012 by Bill Maher is, "If atheism is a religion, then abstinence is a sexual position."

The only common thread that ties all atheists together is a lack of belief in gods and supernatural beings. Some of the best debates we have ever had have been with fellow atheists. This is because atheists do not have a common belief system, sacred scripture or atheist Pope. This means atheists often disagree on many issues and ideas. Atheists come in a variety of shapes, colors, beliefs, convictions, and backgrounds. We are as unique as our fingerprints.
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March 04, 2016, 02:09:28 PM


Now you are touting a particular religion other than atheism?  Huh   Fickle.

This is not new... I have been quoting Jesus to you for months... since you clearly have no clue what the man said in the bible

Alright! You are not an atheist then. What's the point? All your quoting doesn't prove or disprove the fact that atheism is poison. If it does, how? The quoting of Jesus shows that God exists.

    Cool
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March 04, 2016, 01:00:42 PM


Now you are touting a particular religion other than atheism?  Huh   Fickle.

This is not new... I have been quoting Jesus to you for months... since you clearly have no clue what the man said in the bible
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March 04, 2016, 12:48:59 PM


Now you are touting a particular religion other than atheism?  Huh   Fickle.
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March 04, 2016, 11:49:11 AM
Not knowing what a reality is at different parts of the universe doesn't change that reality for me or the universe or you.

You are ignorant of the Butterfly Effect.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect:
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The Butterfly Effect is a concept that small causes can have large effects. Initially, it was used with weather prediction but later the term became a metaphor used in and out of science.

The two significant parts of the above are the word "concept" and the words "weather prediction." Have you ever noticed that the weatherman is only right on what seems like random occasion? Have you ever noticed that concepts are not laws, but only ideas? Are you fluttering around like a butterfly?

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March 04, 2016, 11:44:28 AM
Atheism can send the wrong message across to people, especially those weaker in faith but brushed off and laughed at by every religious sect out there. It is not a religion, just a group of non believers.

Yet they all revolve around the same basic dogma... that God doesn't exist. Some of them don't participate in discussion about it, just like some weaker people of other religions don't go to church. Some atheists get together with other atheists and set up methods in their minds about how all things came into being, and about what the purpose of their lives might be. All of it is just like religion. So, it is a religion.

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March 04, 2016, 08:05:25 AM
Atheism can send the wrong message across to people, especially those weaker in faith but brushed off and laughed at by every religious sect out there. It is not a religion, just a group of non believers.
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March 04, 2016, 06:56:31 AM
Not knowing what a reality is at different parts of the universe doesn't change that reality for me or the universe or you.

You are ignorant of the Butterfly Effect.
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