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June 29, 2017, 05:18:25 AM
Well, Health and Religion(itself) IS NOT Correlated to any form or any way
but rather than relating it to religion we must correlate Health to Faith (brain/believing power) since there are phenomenon like Placebo Effect.

Yes and no.

If it works, it is not placebo effect anymore.

Also do read about very real health effects of the fact, that believers do reflect on teaching, that their body is temple of God  Wink

Or are you going to argue, that smoking, drinking alcohol and injecting drugs into your veins has nothing to do with your health? Mainline religions scoffed on all of those way before modern medicine grew out of shadow of christian Europe.
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June 29, 2017, 04:59:32 AM
Personally, I have nothing against religion, if it does not harm myself and other people. And health does not depend on religion, it depends on the way of life of a person.
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June 29, 2017, 04:53:46 AM
The Bible said that our body is the temple of the Holy Ghost, so taking care of our body...which incudes eating well to stay healthy is part of our service to God
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June 28, 2017, 08:21:24 PM
Well, Health and Religion(itself) IS NOT Correlated to any form or any way
but rather than relating it to religion we must correlate Health to Faith (brain/believing power) since there are phenomenon like Placebo Effect.
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June 28, 2017, 02:07:06 PM
A report from a women who made the unusual journey from secular radical feminism to Orthodox Judaism.

How Radical Feminism Turned Me Into an Orthodox Jew
http://www.chabad.org/theJewishWoman/article_cdo/aid/3715087/jewish/How-Radical-Feminism-Turned-Me-Into-an-Orthodox-Jew.htm
Quote from: Chava Hinsey
When certain guidelines about gender are accepted and valued by men and women due to their divine origin, these models can become a source of strength, power and inner calm. Although Radical Feminism (as do most forms of feminism) assumes that challenging traditional gender roles must be part of the liberation and equality of the genders, I had come to believe this is not necessarily so. My experience in a community where people tried to challenge those roles had left me feeling empty and frustrated.
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June 28, 2017, 08:05:58 AM
UCLA study proves Mormons live longer.

Mormon men live 10 years longer than other U.S. white males.Mormon women live more than five years longer than other U.S. white females.Those are the among the results of a 25-year study into the health habits and the longevity of the Mormon lifestyle by non-Mormon UCLA professors James E. Enstrom and Lester Breslow, who summarized their research with the conclusion: "Several healthy characteristics of the Mormon lifestyle are associated with substantially reduced death rates and increased life expectancy."The study, conducted from 1980 to 2004, included information from questionnaire responses by more than 9,800 faithful Mormon couples and concluded that practicing Mormons in California had the lowest total death rates and the longest life expectancies ever documented in a well-defined U.S. cohort. The authors concluded the findings suggest a model for substantial disease prevention in the general.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705377709/UCLA-study-proves-Mormons-live-longer.html
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June 28, 2017, 02:03:58 AM
Defending the Faith: Is religion good for your health?
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865681606/Is-religion-good-for-your-health.html

Quote from: Daniel Peterson
Until his retirement, Andrew Sims, former president of the United Kingdom’s Royal College of Psychiatrists, was professor of psychiatry at the University of Leeds. Having also served as founding editor of “Advances in Psychiatric Treatment” (1993-2003) and of “Developing Mental Health” (2002-2005), he knows something about psychiatry and mental health.

He is also a committed Christian, and his book “Is Faith Delusion? Why Religion is Good for Your Health” (Continuum, 2009) brings those two facets of his life together to confront a common prejudice.

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Indeed, one of the major themes of his book is that “religious belief tends to be associated with better health, both physical and mental.”

“The advantageous effect of religious belief and spirituality on mental and physical health is one of the best-kept secrets in psychiatry, and medicine generally," he writes. "If the findings of the huge volume of research on this topic had gone in the opposite direction and it had been found that religion damages your mental health, it would have been front-page news in every newspaper in the land!”

Moreover, Sims contends, “churches are almost the only element in society to have offered considerate, caring, long-lasting and self-sacrificing support to the mentally ill,” which is one of the reasons why “religious involvement results in a better outcome from a range of illnesses, both mental and physical.”

Generally too, he observes, “religion encourages a broadly healthy lifestyle and members of a church or other faith groups are more likely to co-operate with medical treatment.”

“There is no evidence to suggest that seeking religious affiliation for its potential health benefits alone would be advantageous,” he said.

Still, Sims summarizes, in the majority of scientific studies, religious involvement correlates with enhanced well-being, happiness and life-satisfaction; greater hope and optimism, even when facing serious diseases, such as breast cancer; a stronger sense of purpose and meaning in life; higher self-esteem; better responses to bereavement; greater social support; less loneliness; lower rates of depression and faster recovery from depression; reduced rates of suicide; decreased anxiety; better coping with stress; less psychosis and fewer psychotic tendencies; lower rates of alcohol and drug abuse; less delinquency and criminal activity; and greater marital stability and satisfaction. A strong faith and the positive relationships and thinking associated with church membership fortify the immune system, “thus reducing the risk of cancer, improving general health and protecting the cardiovascular system.”

“When looking at the overall effects of religious belief and practice on whole populations,” he writes, “there is substantial evidence that religion is highly beneficial for all areas of health, and especially mental health.”

Indeed, correlations between religious faith and improved well-being “typically equal or exceed correlations between well-being and other psychosocial variables, such as social support.” And, he adds, this substantial assertion is “comprehensively attested to by a large amount of evidence.”

“In one well-conducted study,” Sims reports, “almost 3,000 women who regularly attended church services were assessed for health status, social support and habits. When they were followed up 28 years later, their mortality over that period was found to be more than a third less than the general population.”

Furthermore, “An inverse relationship has been found between religious involvement and suicidal behaviour in 84 per cent of 68 studies. That is, those with religious belief and practice are less likely to kill themselves. This association is also found for attempted suicide; believers are less likely to take overdose or use other methods of self-harm.”

“The nagging question we are left with is, why is this important information” — “epidemiological medicine’s best-kept secret,” he calls it — “not better known?”

“It is a mystery why … government and other authorities are opposed to seeking help from religious organizations.” Also, “it is extraordinary and tragic that the findings of this large body of research … are not better known. If it were anything other than religious belief or spirituality resulting in such beneficial outcomes for health, the media would trumpet it and governments and health care organizations would be rushing to implement its practice.”
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June 27, 2017, 04:07:20 PM
Today, more and more often there are talks that people should be accompanied by science and have some kind of proof of each other. But if you remember what kind of danzig there was in ancient times, when the Inquisition of all people who were more or less intelligent or engaged in some science, then one can definitely answer that they beat and science has nothing in common.
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June 27, 2017, 01:48:41 PM
Government Fails Jewish School Over Lack of ‘Correct’ LGBT Teaching
http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2017/06/27/government-fails-jewish-school-over-lack-of-correct-lgbt-teaching/
Quote from: Simon Kent
A London Jewish school has been failed three times by government inspectors because it fell short of requirements set out in the Equalities Act to teach LGBT principles in general and homosexuality/gender reassignment issues in particular.

The Vizhnitz girls’ school in north London caters to 212 students and has been visited by the UK’s Office for Standards in Education, Children’s Services and Skills (Ofsted) to determine if it taught LGBT issues such as “sexual orientation. ” Because it had not, it was gauged to have declined giving its pupils who are aged up to eight years old, a “full understanding of fundamental British values” and therefore the school is in breach of equality laws, according to the Daily Telegraph.

“This restricts pupils’ spiritual, moral, social and cultural development and does not promote equality of opportunity in ways that take account of differing lifestyles,” the Ofsted inspectors reported, pointing out that the students are being “shielded from learning about certain differences between people, such as sexual orientation.” As a result, “pupils have a limited understanding of the different lifestyles and partnerships that individuals may choose in present-day society.”

At the same time, the inspectors also noted that “the school’s culture is, however, clearly focused on teaching pupils to respect everybody, regardless of beliefs and lifestyle.”

Schools that do not come up to Ofsted’s requirements must improve or face closure.

David Kurten AM, the UKIP Education spokesman, said  the state should not be forcing its own ideology on children at the very youngest ages.

“Primary school children are far too young to be exposed to ideas such as the details of non-reproductive sexual acts and gender fluidity. Children deserve a childhood and the guise of ‘inclusion’ and ‘anti-bullying’ is being used to expose them to damaging ideas far too early, and to undermine and close down faith schools in favour of secularism.

“Yet secularism is not a neutral blank canvas of a worldview. Humanist and secularist groups have actively campaigned against faith schools for over a century. 99% of faith schools are Christian schools, and have done an excellent job of education children and young people in the UK since Augustine’s time in the 6th Century.

“Ofsted is now part of the red blob which is pushing cultural Marxism.”

Six other religious schools in the UK have also failed the same inspections in recent weeks.
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June 27, 2017, 12:48:20 AM
Religious Coping and Glycemic Control in Couples with Type 2 Diabetes

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jmft.12241/abstract
Quote from: Frank D. Fincham
Abstract

This study examines the role of religious coping in couples’ diabetes management processes. Eighty-seven couples where one spouse had type 2 diabetes were surveyed. The relationships between religious coping (positive and negative), shared glycemic control activities (e.g., planning a healthy diet), and glycemic control were examined using repeated measures ANOVA and SEM. Findings show spousal engagement in shared activities is significantly associated with glycemic control. Furthermore, the use of negative religious coping by the diabetic spouse, and positive religious coping by the nondiabetic spouse, related to lower levels and higher levels of shared glycemic control activities, respectively. Religious coping and shared glycemic control activities appear integral to couples managing type 2 diabetes and, may serve as useful points of intervention.
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June 23, 2017, 05:25:09 PM
Never seen this table before and the relation with religion. It's interesting, but funny at the same time, i don't trust it at all.

It is always good to be skeptical and look at presented data for flaws and biases. I drew the tables in the opening post from three sources. These were:
1) Gallup.com
2) Pewresearch.org
3) Jewishpolicycenter.org

Here are links to articles that discuss each table in depth.

In U.S., Very Religious Have Higher Wellbeing Across All Faiths
http://www.gallup.com/poll/152732/religious-higher-wellbeing-across-faiths.aspx

Mormons more likely to marry, have more children than other U.S. religious groups
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/05/22/mormons-more-likely-to-marry-have-more-children-than-other-u-s-religious-groups/

Israel’s Demographic Miracle
https://www.jewishpolicycenter.org/2013/02/28/israel-demographic-miracle/

I'm curious what conclusions people make when looking through these statistics and tables? The reality is that the gallery has a very beneficial effect on a person and on his well-being. Of course I understand that you do not need to be a fanatic in a particular religion, but in general I see a very good balance of good and evil in this matter.
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June 23, 2017, 09:40:40 AM
Never seen this table before and the relation with religion. It's interesting, but funny at the same time, i don't trust it at all.

It is always good to be skeptical and look at presented data for flaws and biases. I drew the tables in the opening post from three sources. These were:
1) Gallup.com
2) Pewresearch.org
3) Jewishpolicycenter.org

Here are links to articles that discuss each table in depth.

In U.S., Very Religious Have Higher Wellbeing Across All Faiths
http://www.gallup.com/poll/152732/religious-higher-wellbeing-across-faiths.aspx

Mormons more likely to marry, have more children than other U.S. religious groups
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/05/22/mormons-more-likely-to-marry-have-more-children-than-other-u-s-religious-groups/

Israel’s Demographic Miracle
https://www.jewishpolicycenter.org/2013/02/28/israel-demographic-miracle/
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June 22, 2017, 10:32:11 PM
Never seen this table before and the relation with religion. It's interesting, but funny at the same time, i don't trust it at all.
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June 22, 2017, 04:55:09 PM
I had an IQ of 160 once upon a time. It's probably about 100 less now. I regard the religious as mentally ill. I have zero desire to procreate and think the world's a fuckhole. Hey, I guess you're right.
Religion and IQ. I see these two are not related to each other. You have a high IQ and you do not need to follow a religion. And religion does not mean IQ is low. It's ridiculous!

I need to align the religion and IQ of a person. The fact is that since ancient times, the intellect has those people who are very good at reasoning on different topics. In ancient times, philosophers were very intelligent people, and they also treated differently. As for today's man, it is measured in a completely different way, not as it happened to be the last centuries.
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June 22, 2017, 09:45:54 AM
I had an IQ of 160 once upon a time. It's probably about 100 less now. I regard the religious as mentally ill. I have zero desire to procreate and think the world's a fuckhole. Hey, I guess you're right.
Religion and IQ. I see these two are not related to each other. You have a high IQ and you do not need to follow a religion. And religion does not mean IQ is low. It's ridiculous!
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June 21, 2017, 11:18:23 PM
The Morality Crisis | Dennis Prager and Stefan Molyneux

What happens to morality with a decrease in religiosity and a rise in secularism? Dennis Prager joins Stefan Molyneux to discuss the recent Prager University video "If There Is No God, Murder Isn't Wrong," the moral values communicated through religion, the fall of free will in the face of secular determinism, the difference between charity and the forces retribution of wealth and the future of the western experiment.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uZpjdHTWsfM

Thank you so much, man. I had no idea, that Prager and Molyneux know each other. It is treat to watch them together.

The Morality Crisis | Dennis Prager and Stefan Molyneux

What happens to morality with a decrease in religiosity and a rise in secularism? Dennis Prager joins Stefan Molyneux to discuss the recent Prager University video "If There Is No God, Murder Isn't Wrong," the moral values communicated through religion, the fall of free will in the face of secular determinism, the difference between charity and the forces retribution of wealth and the future of the western experiment.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uZpjdHTWsfM

These persons who were all finishes whatever degree in college and considered theirselves to be geniouses have always something to say about morality and about religion.  If it feels like it is wrong, due to our free will, then I think it is wrong.  That is the reason why persons have that conciousness a guilt feeling  something we called conscience.

Perhaps you meant "people", not "persons". The two in question can back their claims by numbers and when we talk about future of society - western society, hard cold numbers are more important than your personal feelings about people, who publish those numbers.
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June 21, 2017, 02:57:45 PM
The Morality Crisis | Dennis Prager and Stefan Molyneux

What happens to morality with a decrease in religiosity and a rise in secularism? Dennis Prager joins Stefan Molyneux to discuss the recent Prager University video "If There Is No God, Murder Isn't Wrong," the moral values communicated through religion, the fall of free will in the face of secular determinism, the difference between charity and the forces retribution of wealth and the future of the western experiment.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uZpjdHTWsfM

These persons who were all finishes whatever degree in college and considered theirselves to be geniouses have always something to say about morality and about religion.  If it feels like it is wrong, due to our free will, then I think it is wrong.  That is the reason why persons have that conciousness a guilt feeling  something we called conscience.
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June 21, 2017, 02:39:24 PM
The Morality Crisis | Dennis Prager and Stefan Molyneux

What happens to morality with a decrease in religiosity and a rise in secularism? Dennis Prager joins Stefan Molyneux to discuss the recent Prager University video "If There Is No God, Murder Isn't Wrong," the moral values communicated through religion, the fall of free will in the face of secular determinism, the difference between charity and the forces retribution of wealth and the future of the western experiment.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uZpjdHTWsfM
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June 21, 2017, 12:38:47 AM

Yes, I think that is part of reason why Jesus life and death resonates with so many. He saved people from damnation - and slavery by corrupt clergy regardless if it cost him his life and even regardless, if the freed commoners saw his sacrifice for what it was: Selfless act of love. The kind that is at best of times shown by parents to their children.

Christianity played huge role in knightly culture that developed in the west later on. For the first time in history, people felt, that they can be both just, protective and selfless, yet fierce warriors. Life and death of Christ humanized warrior culture and gave it meaning.




Nice picture, so romantic... the knight in armor is the protector, the savior, the hero. The woman look up to this Godly warrior as her savior - you can see the gratefulness on her face, her God saved her (by killing a few, or few hundred or even a few thousand human beings, not much different than the woman herself). No wonder God is a "he" a male figure. Poor females, they will have to bow the knee to their manly Gods. GOD be with them the day their heros aren't in such a good mood and want to take it out on his loyal subject(s).



You need to judge a system in comparison to the system it replaced not by the moral standards of a thousand years later. Chivalry emphasized bravery, military skill, generosity in victory, piety, and courtesy to women.

It was a tremendous improvement over the ethics of prior eras and a powerful testament to the civilizing power of ethical monotheism and Christianity.

This is the prior "ideal" it replaced. The veneration of the conquering alpha warrior.




Poor dippididodaday. Hasn't figured out that all people die, yet. Wants to blame the inner destructive qualities of mankind on God. So blind that he can't see that God is simply manipulating some of man's own destructive qualities to save some people from themselves... for eternal salvation.

So we see that it is essentially people like dippididodaday who promote destruction. But I will give him this. He may not know that he is doing what he is doing. But, don't count on it.

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You still don't get it. God has nothing to do with the killings. It is people who do all the bad stuff because of their religion.  Religious ideology is making otherwise normal people do some pretty insane things.

Religious ideas make people insane.

You still don't get it, do you. God has something to do with everything.

However, you are right about people. They do what they do because of their personal religion.

It is even your religious ideology that keeps you thinking that God doesn't exist.

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It does not matter what I think or what you think.  What matters is who gets killed because of the religion.
Harm the religious thinking causes is real.  Currently, Islamism and Jihadism kills people as we type these messages.

BTW, I do not play your 'game'.  I think only you think that 'not playing a sport' is a 'sport'.

Atheism is a religion like abstinence is a sexual position.


According to the dictionary, religion is, among other things, "... something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience."

If you want to change the meaning of religion, go ahead. But if you want to be honest about it, explain your definition.

If you are talking about the religions that are organized as religions, say it. Others will want to use the dictionary definition, since the dictionary definition is generally what is accepted without special meanings being given.

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BADecker,

our "atheist" friends here seem to be stressed, that knights as idealists replaced enslavers and misogynists, that they for some reason mistake for alpha males.

Alpha males protect their loved ones and dont treat them like property.

Perhaps these "atheists" should instead find enjoyment in Islam as it caters to their dark, controlling needs.
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June 20, 2017, 09:46:52 PM

Why do we (you and I) live in this spiritual desert?
http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2017/06/why-do-we-you-and-i-live-in-this.html?m=1
Quote from: Bruce Charlton
Since nothing is random or uncaused, and God is our loving Father; and since this modern world is a spiritual desert - then why are we here-and-now?

Why were we placed here, why - perhaps - did we choose to be placed here and at this most unspiritual and antireligious of times?

What possible spiritual benefit can a modern life bring us?

The answer, in a nutshell is: Living here and now compels us to reach inward to our true, divine self; because other (past) sources of Christian guidance are (for nearly all of the people in the world) either absent or corrupted.

We must become active agents, we must become spiritually - Christianly - autonomous to a degree not seen before.

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Our faith tells us that God would not allow any of his beloved children to be placed in this era and situation unless there was a very good reason: something of which we, personally, have great need.

Yet this situation is one in which the Christian religion is absent (from many parts of the world), or essentially abandoned and corrupted (in the developed nations). All the usual sources of guidance are tainted - tradition, scripture, hierarchical authority, philosophy... all are much more likely to do us harm than good if we go to what is most available and accept it uncritically.

We can get nowhere without discernment. 

Therefore spiritual passivity is - for us, here and now - ruled-out.

When the human aspects are all tainted or unobvious, then a policy of subordination and obedience are much more likely to do us harm than good; because we would probably be serving the Enemy rather than God.

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In modernity we are brought to a state of utter isolation of our selves, and a loss of confidence in the reality of the world and of that self which is all we can experience. And our self and the world is dead, inert, passive and perceived as unliving - an accident, merely an illusion or delusion of our own limitations. We cannot perceive God, Jesus, angels; and even other people are merely shadowy entities justified only be the comfort or pleasures they provide.

We have so decisively lost the ability to know the external environment, that we regard it as a product of our minds; yet our minds are (in mainstream understanding) merely temporary, contingent, arbitrary collections of brain circuits - unreliable, prone to malfunction and doomed to extinction.

This is the state of nihilism when nothing is really-real and despair is inevitable and ineradicable.

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So why are we here and now?

When there is no reliable external guidance, we must look within: and must means must, because there is no alternative.

Our Loving Father, the Creator would not have placed us here unless we had the resources to attain salvation and to make steps towards theosis (becoming more divine).

Since these resources are not to be found outside us, then everything we need must be found within -  and by invisible, spiritual means of communication.

Specificially, what we need to begin is found within, and everything else follows as consequnces.

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We must look within to find and feel our internal spiritual compass - that which is divine and eternal within each of us; that in us which is a child of God (still merely a child, but certainly that!).

Once we have located that inner reality; then - and only then - we can look outside; look (that is) not by our senses but directly to the world of spirit: open our real selves to to direct knowing and personal revelation from God, and the personal friendship of Jesus Christ.

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That is why you and I are here and now; because what we personally most need, is to learn to find God within us.

Modernity is, indeed, a harsh spiritual lesson - but presumably that was the only kind of lesson that you and I were capable of learning.

(Earlier people in earlier generations, or people in different parts of the world, have other things that they need to learn . I am here talking about a reason why living in The West, the developed nations - is the best realistically-possible thing for some people; people such as you and me.) 

And of course this is a lesson each and every one of us absolutely needs to learn if we are ever to develop from the passive state of being immature, externally-driven, dependent-children of God into what he hope for us to become: active, agent, autonomous grown-up 'friends' of God (and ultimately perhaps spiritual parents in our own right); at a level where we can fully participate - Son or Daughter of God - in the great and endless divine work of love and creation.
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