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I have not examined the 40 cases you have listed.  Have you examined millions of cases of people dying never to be heard from again?

You used the wrong word to describe your position.  It is not obvious that there is life after death.

What is obvious that there is no life after death. Why? Because everyone lost a family member and they experienced the fact that loss is permanent.

That fact is obvious, not some 40 cases in a pdf file on some website.

I have not examined the 40 cases you have listed.  Have you examined millions of cases of people dying never to be heard from again?

You used the wrong word to describe your position.  It is not obvious that there is life after death.

What is obvious that there is no life after death. Why? Because everyone lost a family member and they experienced the fact that loss is permanent.

That fact is obvious, not some 40 cases in a pdf file on some website.

One more time, if you believe, hear or see something that other people don't see or hear, you are losing your mind.

Obviously false?  Really?  Please enlighten me.

qwik2learn I am curious I am honestly not familiar with data regarding the accuracy of the New Testament over time. However, if you are correct that "THERE ARE MORE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE VERSIONS OF THE NT THAN THERE ARE WORDS IN THE NT" why do you go forward from there to an embrace of this modern prophet Phoenix Journals rather then back to a text that has been demonstrated not to exhibit such variability?

The Greatest Archaeological Find of the 20th Century
https://lifehopeandtruth.com/bible/is-the-bible-true/proof-2-dead-sea-scrolls/

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I think it's all nonsense. I don't believe in God... This tale which allow to keep in slavery duped people.

I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong

To conquer fear is the beginning of wisdom.

The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.

Humanism asserts that man only has one life and that he lives it on Earth.

This is obviously false.

"The world in which we live is not the only one in which we shall live or have lived."



The most brilliant mathematician of our time has made an extraordinary claim about human life; we should pay attention! These ideas about re-birth are not only backed by evidence, they are derived from rigorous logic.

Humanism asserts that man only has one life and that he lives it on Earth.

This is obviously false.

"The world in which we live is not the only one in which we shall live or have lived."



The most brilliant mathematician of our time has made an extraordinary claim about human life; we should pay attention! These ideas about re-birth are not only backed by evidence, they are derived from rigorous logic.

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I think the arguments against "SAVIORS" in the Phoenix Journals are more convincing than your repetitive demand that I seek out the Bible as the SOLE SOURCE OF WISDOM (?).
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Had this Bible been accurately copied over generations then I suppose you would have a decent argument about historical preservation of cultural and theological information via this Bible
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IN FACT; HOWEVER, THERE ARE MORE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE VERSIONS OF THE NT THAN THERE ARE WORDS IN THE NT! How is that for "accuracy"?! This book has been re-written to suit an agenda and provably it happened thousands of times! It is little wonder that the phrase "I am not your master" was left out of the Bible! How can I trust your true facts about the Bible, BADecker? Your "good book" has been re-written by MAN!

The doctrine of inerrancy, as commonly understood, states: “Inerrancy is the view that when all the facts become known, they will demonstrate that the Bible in its original autographs and correctly interpreted is entirely true and never false in all it affirms, whether that relates to doctrines or ethics or to the social, physical, or life sciences.” This statement was articulated in the Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy 1974.

The Dead Sea Scrolls are universally proclaimed as the greatest archaeological find of the 20th century. The first scrolls were discovered quite by accident by a young Bedouin shepherd in the Qumran area near the Dead Sea in 1947. When tossing a rock into an open cave in the cliffs just above the Dead Sea, he heard the sound of a breaking pot.

Upon investigation, he and his fellow Bedouins discovered several clay jars that contained rolled-up scrolls. They took four of these scrolls to Bethlehem for testing. An antiquities dealer by the name of Kando confirmed their authenticity and purchased the original four scrolls for $150. He then sold them to Archbishop Samuel, head of the Syrian Orthodox Monastery of St. Mark in Jerusalem.

The Bedouins did not fully realize the value of their discovery and subsequently sold three additional scrolls to another antiquities dealer for an equivalent amount. This all took place in 1947.

Such a historic find could not be kept quiet for very long. When in 1948 Hebrew University Professor Eliezer Lipa Sukenik heard through an Armenian antiquities dealer of the scrolls’ discovery, he promptly looked into it.

He met secretly with the antiquities dealer in the British military zone near the Jerusalem border. The dealer provided a fragment for the professor to examine. Professor Sukenik realized that he was viewing an authentic ancient writing.

He wrote in his diary: “My hands shook as I started to unwrap one of them. I read a few sentences. It was written in beautiful biblical Hebrew. The language was like that of the Psalms, but the text was unknown to me. I looked and looked, and I suddenly had the feeling that I was privileged by destiny to gaze upon a Hebrew Scroll which had not been read for more than 2,000 years.”
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The treasure trove, now known as the Dead Sea Scrolls, includes a small number of near-complete scrolls and tens of thousands of fragments, representing more than 900 texts in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek.

The scrolls consist of two general types: the biblical text (including partial or complete copies of all the books of the Hebrew Scriptures with the exception of the book of Esther) and nonbiblical texts (including letters, hymns, prayers, calendrical texts and legal documents).
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What is so special about these scrolls, and how do they help us prove the Bible is true? Until the discovery of the scrolls, the oldest manuscripts of the Hebrew Scriptures dated from the 10th century, about 2,500 years after the time of Moses. How can we be assured of the integrity of a document after so much time?

Considering the carefulness of the copyists is one way to be assured of the accuracy of the preservation
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The Dead Sea Scrolls are generally dated from around 200 B.C. to A.D. 68. This is more than 1,000 years older than any manuscripts of the Hebrew Old Testament that we had before their discovery. Because of their age and close similarity with the Masoretic Text, we now have an objective basis for determining that the biblical text used in our modern copies of the Old Testament is accurate.

Norman Geisler is the author of several books on the subject of inerrancy: Inerrancy, 1978; General Introduction to the Bible, 1986; and From God to Us, 2012. Dr. Geisler says the Dead Sea Scrolls provide the best external evidence showing the validity of the Masoretic Text, proving that this text type was in fact accurately preserved over a period of about 1,000 years from the first century to the 900s A.D.

He concludes that we can be confident that the texts used to copy the Dead Sea Scrolls were of the same tradition or family as used in the Masoretic Text. He provides evidence from comparative studies of the Isaiah scroll revealing that a word-for-word identity exists in 95 percent of the text. That is a very high rate of similarity for documents that were copied 1,000 years apart.

Other scholars have commented on the similarities between the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Masoretic Text. Hebrew scholar Millar Burrows writes, “It is a matter of wonder that through something like one thousand years the text underwent so little alteration. As I said in my first article on the scroll, ‘Herein lies its chief importance, supporting the fidelity of the Masoretic tradition’” (The Dead Sea Scrolls, 1955).

The Dead Sea Scrolls provide an objective confirmation of the authenticity of the Masoretic Text, which is the basis for our modern copies of the Old Testament. Although we live in 2015, we can go back in time 2,000 years and read from the scroll of Isaiah discovered by a shepherd boy in a cave above the Dead Sea.

If I had to pick '-ism' I would pick humanism.  Sorry, religions offend my intellect.

The teachings are not different. They are simply said in different ways. Also, they are said to different groups of people, and to people with different outlooks and understandings in life. This is why they are said differently.

For example. If I were to try to explain proof for the existence of God to a tribe of Australian Aborigines, people who had not had any modern science schooling at all, it wouldn't make sense to talk to them about cause and effect and Newton's 3rd Law. I would have to go about it a different way.


Each blade of grass is important in the universe. The universe would be radically different if even one blade of grass that had been cause-and-effected to exist, simply did not exist.

If the Bible held all the important information in it, it might be bigger than the universe. That which is written is there for the saving of souls. That which is not written will add little towards the saving goal, and might even detract from it if added.



This is why God allows the Dead Sea Scrolls to exist... so that we can see which writings are infallible, by comparing the ancient to the new. Whatever is copied accurately by hand over thousands of years is something that has power. Since the Phoenix Project writings have only been around for a short while, and since they contradict the Bible in some places, they are probably demonic writings.

At the time of the judgment in the last day, all prophetic writings will become unimportant. They will be destroyed in the Lake of Fire following the judgment. The only book that will remain is the Word of God, Jesus, and those who follow Jesus.

Some of the other prophetic writings might help people live good lives here in this life, for the tiny hundred years that they live. Other writings might have Jesus salvation mentioned. But all the Jesus salvation writing comes first from the Bible. So, since we have the Bible with us, let's go directly to the source for salvation... the Bible.

The rise of a secular religion called Leftism or Liberalism was inevitable. It was inevitable because a vacuum of opinion on metaphysical matters is as impossible as erecting a mathematics without axioms. Without Christian metaphysics, first assumptions of secular metaphysics govern society.

Hence, in the modern period, the first assumptions of secularism entered into all the areas, hospitals, universities, family law, and public charities, which once had been controlled by canon law, and administered by the Church.

Those assumptions are that truth is subjective, that logic is a mere word game unrelated to reality, that virtue is relative, that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and that the mind exists as a side effect of matter in motion; that God is dead and therefore the impersonal forces of history are God; that Christ is but one wise man among many; and that man is but one animal among many, and like them, lacks dignity and lacks free will, and therefore liberty and equality are myths, and the brotherhood of man is a joke.

One form of secularism says that since men are unequal, the elite should rule the benighted; another says that since men are unequal, the master race should rule the inferior races.

The idea that all men deserve equal treatment under the law, and equal dignity despite their differences in talent, virtue, wealth and social position, and that all men are brothers under the skin, is an idea unique to Western Civilization. It has its roots in Jewish theology and Athenian philosophy, which are the two wellsprings from which Christendom flows, but it is an uniquely Christian artifact.

Perhaps in India, a member of the Brahmin caste can claim to be morally superior by birth to an Untouchable, on the grounds that Karma, in reward or penalty for deeds done in past lives, has raised or lowered the caste into which the soul is reborn in his life. That is not the Christian notion.

Perhaps in the ancient world, the patricians of Rome, counting their descent from Aeneas, and hence from divine Venus, knew themselves to be more beloved of the gods than barbarians and lesser races. Elysium was reserved for heroes and demigods.

The Christian notion is that a saved peasant goes to heaven and a damned rich man goes to hell. Each man is judged by his own deed, and taken naked before the Judgement Seat, without any worldly trappings, robes, crowns, or coins to be seen. The prince who did not repent is thrown on the lake of fire; the pauper who confessed his sins and confessed Christ as Lord is brought to the bosom of Abraham. Rank hath no privileges on Doomsday.

The concept has been abused by secularists claiming that true equality or social justice equality can only be achieved by the rule of the elite over the benighted or the master race over their inferiors, but no one should be foolish enough to mistake this false notion of equality, egalitarianism, for the reality.

The idea of equality is not the idea that difference of talent, virtue, wealth and social position do not exist. It is not the idea that these differences are undesirable and should expunged by a redistribution of wealth and a suppression of talent.

The idea of equality is the mystical Christian idea that DESPITE the obvious differences of talent, virtue, wealth and social position, all men are and should be judged each man on his own merit, and all men are equal in the sight of God, hence equal in the sight of the law.

That is all the word means and all it has ever meant.

The antichristian idea is precisely the opposite: it is the idea since men are not equal in rank and wealth, intelligence and talent THEREFORE they are not equal in dignity, not to be judged each man on his own merit, but to be judged collectively. By this logic, a man of the elite or of the master race has rights and privileges protected at law which those whom birth or matters outside human control place at a lower rank in their social hierarchy do not and can never enjoy.

If you are asking if I am an offensive person, then the answer is yes! I believe that some people find me offensive and brash. I am not afraid to admit my faults.

Happy to discuss my faults if it makes you feel better about your own.

I only ask that you do not try and tell me how and what I should believe in and make it out to be the truth.

I think that you are the one who are on this. You are the on who can survive with it. About your own aspects, you can decide whether you are doing right or wrong. If you are doing right, then you have to prove or don't be afraid to show them what you are, and who you are.

And what aspect of yourself are you offended by? Is it your inability to show compassion or empathy? Or your constant belittling of others for your own self justification?

Most people feel offended by aspects of themselves.

If I had to pick '-ism' I would pick humanism.  Sorry, religions offend my intellect.

Another option is to read Quantum Physics textbook, or read History books, read any books that talk about reality.

If you seek refuge in some Bronze Age or a 6-th century poetry, that is fine, just don't come out and say that this is 'the truth'.  Literature is fine as long as it is treated/interpreted as such.

Do you want to know the history of human kind, how it all started? Read this book:

https://www.amazon.com/Sapiens-Humankind-Yuval-Noah-Harari/dp/0062316095/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1485869151&sr=8-1&keywords=brief+history+of+human

For me, theology is a study of literature.  Like you, I have no interest in it.  

However, when someone comes out and says they have a talking, winged horse sitting on a unicorn in their backyard, I have to confront the BS.

You can read the Bible and see the vast differences between OT and NT, between the gospels and the teaching of Paul, etc; you can also read the book "Misquoting Jesus" and determine for yourself that NOT ALL of these men were DIRECTLY inspired by GOD. Therefore, how could the Bible be a DIRECT TEACHING FROM GOD???

You mention the Dead Sea Scrolls, but fail to mention the writings made by early Christians found at Nag Hammadi which are in opposition to the now-popular teachings of Paul. Actually, the history of the Bible is far more tangled than you have been led to believe; maybe you would be better off STUDYING THE WRITINGS OF BIBLE SCHOLARS WITH EXPERTISE? It seems like you are trusting in Paul's teaching but paying no heed to that of the Gnostics or even that of Deepak Chopra as in his book "The Third Jesus". In these Gnostic texts Jesus actually says "I am not your master"! Now where is that in the Bible!? Regarding the Dead Sea Scrolls, they only prove that there was more important information left out of the Bible, like the process for making MANNA:

Getting back to the main point: it seems kind of absurd to have such an important project (the WORD) for mankind in the hands of so many fallible men; GOD certainly works in mysterious ways but men are prone to corruption and certainly the Bible has the mark of man upon it. Can the same be said about the Phoenix Journals? These volumes are more lucid and go into every detail, and were written by just ONE scribe.

The excavation of Qumran, Judea revealed a complex system of conduits, channels and numerous water cisterns, some of which led directly from the Dead Sea. This salt-laden water was not suitable for drinking, but its high mineral content has been found to be a source of high quality m-state material for the processing of white gold powder.

Hatonn is: Gyeorgos Ceres Hatonn-Aton.  I write through a “Translator”; communications through pulsed short-wave transmission.  This is not “psychic channeling nor hocus-pocus”. This is purely “physics” of frequency transmission, receiver termination of transmission and translation of the signal into the English language.

I am Commander of the “Phoenix Project”, serving the Command of that ONE whom you refer to as “The Messenger, Christos, God, etc.”  The “Command Fleet” is from the sector Pleiades from which originated your ancestral lineage.  My mission is in preparation for the return of the “God” to reclaim His property.  He went forth and has prepared safe passage and “a place” for each of you who would come within His shelter.  The choice is individual for force is not of God and you have free-will for all choices.