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sr. member
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March 02, 2017, 12:41:01 AM
What is so scary about contacting your own subconscious? I say we should let the truth about the mind be revealed, you will not be deceived by demons if you practice self-inquiry and self-hypnosis, both are proper tools in the life of the seeker but religions will normally work to supress the truth about personal power.

The danger is this. We have trouble finding truth with people. How are we going to determine truth if we contact spirits?

The inner mind has always held ways to contact spirits. The complexity of mind is one of the things that keeps spirits out. When we open up the parts of the inner to direct contact from our outer mind, we open up contact with the spirits.

We have very little control of inner mind. The spirits are often deceptive, teaching things outside of the realms of things that we can control easily. They can open us up to false things as well as true things, but we won't know the difference.

In addition, the complexity of the mind is so great that we don't easily understand what we are looking at when our inner mind feeds us some of its own data.

Stay away from contacting your inner self if you want to stay away from opening up a path for spirits to feed you their information. You won't be able to distinguish the truth from falsehood. Many people that have done this, have gone insane, or else lost control of their own thinking and belief system.

Cool

That is exactly the time when you lose your mind.  

There are no spirits.  That is the reality.

When you talk to God, you are religious.
When God talks back to you, you are insane.


When you think that God doesn't exist, you are religious.

When you don't accept the proof of the existence of God that nature and science show, you are insane.

Links to the proof:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.

Cool

There is no proof.  I am sane, you are not.


Are you like stats? Another joker who can't rebut the science, but says there is no proof? Go on. Systematically rebut and refute if you can. Otherwise, thanks again for helping to show that the proof stands, and that you have a religion in atheism.

Cool

Been rebutted.... you just fail to admit it.

Now it's your turn..... prove it!

@af_newbie  I am happy living in a world of truth and reality, how about you?

stats,

BADecker is a lunatic.  He convinced himself that his twisted half truths about entropy, cause and effect and Bible text are absolute proof that God exists, and he fails to accept the fact that Bible is a collection of writings by 40+ uneducated bronze age people, written over the course of 2500 years.  On top of that he denies evolution, the age of Earth and the age of the universe.  He conveniently ignores the fact that entropy here on Earth has been decreasing, thanks to the constant energy input from the Sun.

Basically, he is delusional.  He needs decades of deprogramming to get him out of that 'thinking framework' that his cult put him in.

I think the scientific discussion should end when a person says that Earth is 6000 years old, or that we did not evolved from monkeys.

When I confronted BADecker about the age of Earth by showing him pictures of 9000+ years old, LIVING trees in Sweden, he said that people who counted the rings made a mistake, then he implied that maybe the trees grew more rings per year in the past (because of entropy etc...).

When you show him evidence of neolithic sites that are 10000+ years old, he will ignore it and say that the age cannot be determined, wait for it, because Bible says the Earth is 6000 years old and the flood happened 4000 ago so it is not possible.

I think he sits on the fence about the flat Earth model as described in the Bible.  I'm not sure he has a story about that.  Probably will say that Bible describes accurately the whole universe. Just like Muslim morons claim that Quran has scientific truths etc.

All religious people are delusional, the question is how severe the delusions are.


You are mistaken about what I understand and the things that I believe. While there might be a few half-truths in the things that you say, you apparently haven't looked at my posts. Or, you are intentionally skewing the things that I have posted so that you can maintain your atheism religion.

Cool

The reality of the situation is that your arguments and links have been rebutted.

Just because you choose not to believe it does not make your beliefs correct and the rebuttal wrong.

@af_newbie.....  I agree..... he is delusional and needs a lot of deprogramming.

Thank you for rebutting my talk. Now rebut the proof that God exists:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.

Oh, that's right. You have failed miserably in the past. Why? Because God exists.

Cool

Has been rebutted but you do not recognise it.

Therefore, to use your exact same logic..... Your links are not proof. Give me proof.

The reality of the situation is that you are blinded by any other reality than what you believe and when it is rebutted, you simply say it isn't rebutted. Well the same principal will now apply and I will call it the "BADecker principle". Your links are not proof so give me proof.
legendary
Activity: 3906
Merit: 1373
March 01, 2017, 05:03:41 PM
What is so scary about contacting your own subconscious? I say we should let the truth about the mind be revealed, you will not be deceived by demons if you practice self-inquiry and self-hypnosis, both are proper tools in the life of the seeker but religions will normally work to supress the truth about personal power.

The danger is this. We have trouble finding truth with people. How are we going to determine truth if we contact spirits?

The inner mind has always held ways to contact spirits. The complexity of mind is one of the things that keeps spirits out. When we open up the parts of the inner to direct contact from our outer mind, we open up contact with the spirits.

We have very little control of inner mind. The spirits are often deceptive, teaching things outside of the realms of things that we can control easily. They can open us up to false things as well as true things, but we won't know the difference.

In addition, the complexity of the mind is so great that we don't easily understand what we are looking at when our inner mind feeds us some of its own data.

Stay away from contacting your inner self if you want to stay away from opening up a path for spirits to feed you their information. You won't be able to distinguish the truth from falsehood. Many people that have done this, have gone insane, or else lost control of their own thinking and belief system.

Cool

That is exactly the time when you lose your mind.  

There are no spirits.  That is the reality.

When you talk to God, you are religious.
When God talks back to you, you are insane.


When you think that God doesn't exist, you are religious.

When you don't accept the proof of the existence of God that nature and science show, you are insane.

Links to the proof:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.

Cool

There is no proof.  I am sane, you are not.


Are you like stats? Another joker who can't rebut the science, but says there is no proof? Go on. Systematically rebut and refute if you can. Otherwise, thanks again for helping to show that the proof stands, and that you have a religion in atheism.

Cool

Been rebutted.... you just fail to admit it.

Now it's your turn..... prove it!

@af_newbie  I am happy living in a world of truth and reality, how about you?

stats,

BADecker is a lunatic.  He convinced himself that his twisted half truths about entropy, cause and effect and Bible text are absolute proof that God exists, and he fails to accept the fact that Bible is a collection of writings by 40+ uneducated bronze age people, written over the course of 2500 years.  On top of that he denies evolution, the age of Earth and the age of the universe.  He conveniently ignores the fact that entropy here on Earth has been decreasing, thanks to the constant energy input from the Sun.

Basically, he is delusional.  He needs decades of deprogramming to get him out of that 'thinking framework' that his cult put him in.

I think the scientific discussion should end when a person says that Earth is 6000 years old, or that we did not evolved from monkeys.

When I confronted BADecker about the age of Earth by showing him pictures of 9000+ years old, LIVING trees in Sweden, he said that people who counted the rings made a mistake, then he implied that maybe the trees grew more rings per year in the past (because of entropy etc...).

When you show him evidence of neolithic sites that are 10000+ years old, he will ignore it and say that the age cannot be determined, wait for it, because Bible says the Earth is 6000 years old and the flood happened 4000 ago so it is not possible.

I think he sits on the fence about the flat Earth model as described in the Bible.  I'm not sure he has a story about that.  Probably will say that Bible describes accurately the whole universe. Just like Muslim morons claim that Quran has scientific truths etc.

All religious people are delusional, the question is how severe the delusions are.


You are mistaken about what I understand and the things that I believe. While there might be a few half-truths in the things that you say, you apparently haven't looked at my posts. Or, you are intentionally skewing the things that I have posted so that you can maintain your atheism religion.

Cool

The reality of the situation is that your arguments and links have been rebutted.

Just because you choose not to believe it does not make your beliefs correct and the rebuttal wrong.

@af_newbie.....  I agree..... he is delusional and needs a lot of deprogramming.

Thank you for rebutting my talk. Now rebut the proof that God exists:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.

Oh, that's right. You have failed miserably in the past. Why? Because God exists.

Cool
hero member
Activity: 574
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March 01, 2017, 04:54:34 PM
I had an IQ of 160 once upon a time. It's probably about 100 less now. I regard the religious as mentally ill. I have zero desire to procreate and think the world's a fuckhole. Hey, I guess you're right.

I doubt anyone with IQ over 100 and age over 16 would have written sober, that "world´s a fuckhole". Especially, if you were born and raised in first world country. It is important to believe into something. Smart people know that.

On a sidenote. Wise man once said, that people dont have ideologies, ideologies have people. Making your own personal dogma is thus the better way, as you wont end up property of someone else.
legendary
Activity: 1946
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March 01, 2017, 03:33:36 PM
...
When you talk to God, you are religious.
When God talks back to you, you are insane.


When you think that God doesn't exist, you are religious.

When you don't accept the proof of the existence of God that nature and science show, you are insane.
...
Cool

There is no proof.  I am sane, you are not.



Far be it for me to interject here but I am fairly confident you are both sane.
Here is a nice little quote on this topic from Tod Chamberlain. Maybe it will help?

What Is The Nature Of Reality?
https://philosophynow.org/issues/61/What_Is_The_Nature_Of_Reality

"What’s the problem? Isn’t it enough that things are as they are? No, because we are sometimes deceived. We need to tell the difference between hard ground and marsh that only looks hard. We need to know whether something is a bear or only a child with a bearskin rug over its head. We have evolved to tell the real from the false. Injure the brain and the victim may lose their sense of reality. When you have flu the familiar world can seem unreal. You might as well ask “What is the nature of ‘upright’?”

The real is the genuine, the reliable, what I can safely lean on. It is akin to truthful, valuable, even delightful. Its opposite is not illusion, but the fake, the counterfeit, that which can’t be trusted, has no cash value. Theatre, television, paintings, literature deal in illusion but can be real in the sense that they nurture and enlarge us, help to make sense of experience. When they fail in this, they feel unreal, they don’t ring true. They are false, they fail as art. Theatre and everyday life overlap – although the murderer in the play is not prosecuted. Psychotherapists know how people act out ‘scripts’ which they can rewrite to invent a new reality. It may not matter if the story of my life is real or invented, until a lawyer asks if I am really the person mentioned in my long-lost uncle’s will.

Electrons, energy, valency, spin are real in so far as the scientific structure they form part of explains what we experience. Phlogiston no longer makes sense, so it has lost its claim to reality, as a banknote which goes out of circulation becomes a piece of paper. Promises, agreements, treaties are real only so long as they can be trusted. Some plans and commitments are called unreal because we know they will come to nothing.

To take the big question: is God real? ‘Real’ I find more meaningful than the ‘existence’ question. We cannot prove the existence of the electron or alpha particles or even such matters as market forces, compassion or philosophy. But we see their effects, and assuming they are real makes sense of great swathes of our experience. God is at least as real as an idea like ‘compassion’."

sr. member
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March 01, 2017, 03:12:45 PM
I follow my religion and health practices and till now i am not worried about anything nor do i have any medical conditions that are serious.  I would rather not bother about these issues and look for a brighter thing that would soothe my brains .  Cheesy

If you think about it. These 2 really come hand in hand. Religion is pretty much the guidelines of the things that make you feel at peace. If you are not sure that you are at peace. Then you can't really say that you are free from stress. Well this is my take on this. Just saying..

I think you are right. And also health and religion affect each other sometimes. There are instances that health is affects religions, and religion affects health. And when think really hard, you will say, the health that affects the religion caused the religion affects health.
sr. member
Activity: 294
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February 28, 2017, 11:25:52 PM
What is so scary about contacting your own subconscious? I say we should let the truth about the mind be revealed, you will not be deceived by demons if you practice self-inquiry and self-hypnosis, both are proper tools in the life of the seeker but religions will normally work to supress the truth about personal power.

The danger is this. We have trouble finding truth with people. How are we going to determine truth if we contact spirits?

The inner mind has always held ways to contact spirits. The complexity of mind is one of the things that keeps spirits out. When we open up the parts of the inner to direct contact from our outer mind, we open up contact with the spirits.

We have very little control of inner mind. The spirits are often deceptive, teaching things outside of the realms of things that we can control easily. They can open us up to false things as well as true things, but we won't know the difference.

In addition, the complexity of the mind is so great that we don't easily understand what we are looking at when our inner mind feeds us some of its own data.

Stay away from contacting your inner self if you want to stay away from opening up a path for spirits to feed you their information. You won't be able to distinguish the truth from falsehood. Many people that have done this, have gone insane, or else lost control of their own thinking and belief system.

Cool

That is exactly the time when you lose your mind.  

There are no spirits.  That is the reality.

When you talk to God, you are religious.
When God talks back to you, you are insane.


When you think that God doesn't exist, you are religious.

When you don't accept the proof of the existence of God that nature and science show, you are insane.

Links to the proof:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.

Cool

There is no proof.  I am sane, you are not.


Are you like stats? Another joker who can't rebut the science, but says there is no proof? Go on. Systematically rebut and refute if you can. Otherwise, thanks again for helping to show that the proof stands, and that you have a religion in atheism.

Cool

Been rebutted.... you just fail to admit it.

Now it's your turn..... prove it!

@af_newbie  I am happy living in a world of truth and reality, how about you?

stats,

BADecker is a lunatic.  He convinced himself that his twisted half truths about entropy, cause and effect and Bible text are absolute proof that God exists, and he fails to accept the fact that Bible is a collection of writings by 40+ uneducated bronze age people, written over the course of 2500 years.  On top of that he denies evolution, the age of Earth and the age of the universe.  He conveniently ignores the fact that entropy here on Earth has been decreasing, thanks to the constant energy input from the Sun.

Basically, he is delusional.  He needs decades of deprogramming to get him out of that 'thinking framework' that his cult put him in.

I think the scientific discussion should end when a person says that Earth is 6000 years old, or that we did not evolved from monkeys.

When I confronted BADecker about the age of Earth by showing him pictures of 9000+ years old, LIVING trees in Sweden, he said that people who counted the rings made a mistake, then he implied that maybe the trees grew more rings per year in the past (because of entropy etc...).

When you show him evidence of neolithic sites that are 10000+ years old, he will ignore it and say that the age cannot be determined, wait for it, because Bible says the Earth is 6000 years old and the flood happened 4000 ago so it is not possible.

I think he sits on the fence about the flat Earth model as described in the Bible.  I'm not sure he has a story about that.  Probably will say that Bible describes accurately the whole universe. Just like Muslim morons claim that Quran has scientific truths etc.

All religious people are delusional, the question is how severe the delusions are.


You are mistaken about what I understand and the things that I believe. While there might be a few half-truths in the things that you say, you apparently haven't looked at my posts. Or, you are intentionally skewing the things that I have posted so that you can maintain your atheism religion.

Cool

The reality of the situation is that your arguments and links have been rebutted.

Just because you choose not to believe it does not make your beliefs correct and the rebuttal wrong.

@af_newbie.....  I agree..... he is delusional and needs a lot of deprogramming.
legendary
Activity: 3906
Merit: 1373
February 28, 2017, 10:36:54 AM
What is so scary about contacting your own subconscious? I say we should let the truth about the mind be revealed, you will not be deceived by demons if you practice self-inquiry and self-hypnosis, both are proper tools in the life of the seeker but religions will normally work to supress the truth about personal power.

The danger is this. We have trouble finding truth with people. How are we going to determine truth if we contact spirits?

The inner mind has always held ways to contact spirits. The complexity of mind is one of the things that keeps spirits out. When we open up the parts of the inner to direct contact from our outer mind, we open up contact with the spirits.

We have very little control of inner mind. The spirits are often deceptive, teaching things outside of the realms of things that we can control easily. They can open us up to false things as well as true things, but we won't know the difference.

In addition, the complexity of the mind is so great that we don't easily understand what we are looking at when our inner mind feeds us some of its own data.

Stay away from contacting your inner self if you want to stay away from opening up a path for spirits to feed you their information. You won't be able to distinguish the truth from falsehood. Many people that have done this, have gone insane, or else lost control of their own thinking and belief system.

Cool

That is exactly the time when you lose your mind.  

There are no spirits.  That is the reality.

When you talk to God, you are religious.
When God talks back to you, you are insane.


When you think that God doesn't exist, you are religious.

When you don't accept the proof of the existence of God that nature and science show, you are insane.

Links to the proof:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.

Cool

There is no proof.  I am sane, you are not.


Are you like stats? Another joker who can't rebut the science, but says there is no proof? Go on. Systematically rebut and refute if you can. Otherwise, thanks again for helping to show that the proof stands, and that you have a religion in atheism.

Cool

Been rebutted.... you just fail to admit it.

Now it's your turn..... prove it!

@af_newbie  I am happy living in a world of truth and reality, how about you?

stats,

BADecker is a lunatic.  He convinced himself that his twisted half truths about entropy, cause and effect and Bible text are absolute proof that God exists, and he fails to accept the fact that Bible is a collection of writings by 40+ uneducated bronze age people, written over the course of 2500 years.  On top of that he denies evolution, the age of Earth and the age of the universe.  He conveniently ignores the fact that entropy here on Earth has been decreasing, thanks to the constant energy input from the Sun.

Basically, he is delusional.  He needs decades of deprogramming to get him out of that 'thinking framework' that his cult put him in.

I think the scientific discussion should end when a person says that Earth is 6000 years old, or that we did not evolved from monkeys.

When I confronted BADecker about the age of Earth by showing him pictures of 9000+ years old, LIVING trees in Sweden, he said that people who counted the rings made a mistake, then he implied that maybe the trees grew more rings per year in the past (because of entropy etc...).

When you show him evidence of neolithic sites that are 10000+ years old, he will ignore it and say that the age cannot be determined, wait for it, because Bible says the Earth is 6000 years old and the flood happened 4000 ago so it is not possible.

I think he sits on the fence about the flat Earth model as described in the Bible.  I'm not sure he has a story about that.  Probably will say that Bible describes accurately the whole universe. Just like Muslim morons claim that Quran has scientific truths etc.

All religious people are delusional, the question is how severe the delusions are.


You are mistaken about what I understand and the things that I believe. While there might be a few half-truths in the things that you say, you apparently haven't looked at my posts. Or, you are intentionally skewing the things that I have posted so that you can maintain your atheism religion.

Cool
legendary
Activity: 3906
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February 28, 2017, 10:33:32 AM
What is so scary about contacting your own subconscious? I say we should let the truth about the mind be revealed, you will not be deceived by demons if you practice self-inquiry and self-hypnosis, both are proper tools in the life of the seeker but religions will normally work to supress the truth about personal power.

The danger is this. We have trouble finding truth with people. How are we going to determine truth if we contact spirits?

The inner mind has always held ways to contact spirits. The complexity of mind is one of the things that keeps spirits out. When we open up the parts of the inner to direct contact from our outer mind, we open up contact with the spirits.

We have very little control of inner mind. The spirits are often deceptive, teaching things outside of the realms of things that we can control easily. They can open us up to false things as well as true things, but we won't know the difference.

In addition, the complexity of the mind is so great that we don't easily understand what we are looking at when our inner mind feeds us some of its own data.

Stay away from contacting your inner self if you want to stay away from opening up a path for spirits to feed you their information. You won't be able to distinguish the truth from falsehood. Many people that have done this, have gone insane, or else lost control of their own thinking and belief system.

Cool

That is exactly the time when you lose your mind. 

There are no spirits.  That is the reality.

When you talk to God, you are religious.
When God talks back to you, you are insane.


When you think that God doesn't exist, you are religious.

When you don't accept the proof of the existence of God that nature and science show, you are insane.

Links to the proof:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.

Cool

There is no proof.  I am sane, you are not.


Are you like stats? Another joker who can't rebut the science, but says there is no proof? Go on. Systematically rebut and refute if you can. Otherwise, thanks again for helping to show that the proof stands, and that you have a religion in atheism.

Cool

Been rebutted.... you just fail to admit it.

Now it's your turn..... prove it!

@af_newbie  I am happy living in a world of truth and reality, how about you?

The step by step proof for the existence of God is laid out in the links, above. You have never expressed a step by step rebuttal of the proofs. You can't. Such rebuttal doesn't exist. God exists.

Cool
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February 28, 2017, 08:42:41 AM
I follow my religion and health practices and till now i am not worried about anything nor do i have any medical conditions that are serious.  I would rather not bother about these issues and look for a brighter thing that would soothe my brains .  Cheesy

If you think about it. These 2 really come hand in hand. Religion is pretty much the guidelines of the things that make you feel at peace. If you are not sure that you are at peace. Then you can't really say that you are free from stress. Well this is my take on this. Just saying..
sr. member
Activity: 294
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February 28, 2017, 08:15:18 AM
What is so scary about contacting your own subconscious? I say we should let the truth about the mind be revealed, you will not be deceived by demons if you practice self-inquiry and self-hypnosis, both are proper tools in the life of the seeker but religions will normally work to supress the truth about personal power.

The danger is this. We have trouble finding truth with people. How are we going to determine truth if we contact spirits?

The inner mind has always held ways to contact spirits. The complexity of mind is one of the things that keeps spirits out. When we open up the parts of the inner to direct contact from our outer mind, we open up contact with the spirits.

We have very little control of inner mind. The spirits are often deceptive, teaching things outside of the realms of things that we can control easily. They can open us up to false things as well as true things, but we won't know the difference.

In addition, the complexity of the mind is so great that we don't easily understand what we are looking at when our inner mind feeds us some of its own data.

Stay away from contacting your inner self if you want to stay away from opening up a path for spirits to feed you their information. You won't be able to distinguish the truth from falsehood. Many people that have done this, have gone insane, or else lost control of their own thinking and belief system.

Cool

That is exactly the time when you lose your mind. 

There are no spirits.  That is the reality.

When you talk to God, you are religious.
When God talks back to you, you are insane.


When you think that God doesn't exist, you are religious.

When you don't accept the proof of the existence of God that nature and science show, you are insane.

Links to the proof:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.

Cool

There is no proof.  I am sane, you are not.


Are you like stats? Another joker who can't rebut the science, but says there is no proof? Go on. Systematically rebut and refute if you can. Otherwise, thanks again for helping to show that the proof stands, and that you have a religion in atheism.

Cool

Been rebutted.... you just fail to admit it.

Now it's your turn..... prove it!

@af_newbie  I am happy living in a world of truth and reality, how about you?
full member
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February 28, 2017, 05:12:18 AM
I follow my religion and health practices and till now i am not worried about anything nor do i have any medical conditions that are serious.  I would rather not bother about these issues and look for a brighter thing that would soothe my brains .  Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 3906
Merit: 1373
February 27, 2017, 03:57:52 PM
What is so scary about contacting your own subconscious? I say we should let the truth about the mind be revealed, you will not be deceived by demons if you practice self-inquiry and self-hypnosis, both are proper tools in the life of the seeker but religions will normally work to supress the truth about personal power.

The danger is this. We have trouble finding truth with people. How are we going to determine truth if we contact spirits?

The inner mind has always held ways to contact spirits. The complexity of mind is one of the things that keeps spirits out. When we open up the parts of the inner to direct contact from our outer mind, we open up contact with the spirits.

We have very little control of inner mind. The spirits are often deceptive, teaching things outside of the realms of things that we can control easily. They can open us up to false things as well as true things, but we won't know the difference.

In addition, the complexity of the mind is so great that we don't easily understand what we are looking at when our inner mind feeds us some of its own data.

Stay away from contacting your inner self if you want to stay away from opening up a path for spirits to feed you their information. You won't be able to distinguish the truth from falsehood. Many people that have done this, have gone insane, or else lost control of their own thinking and belief system.

Cool

That is exactly the time when you lose your mind. 

There are no spirits.  That is the reality.

When you talk to God, you are religious.
When God talks back to you, you are insane.


When you think that God doesn't exist, you are religious.

When you don't accept the proof of the existence of God that nature and science show, you are insane.

Links to the proof:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.

Cool

There is no proof.  I am sane, you are not.


Are you like stats? Another joker who can't rebut the science, but says there is no proof? Go on. Systematically rebut and refute if you can. Otherwise, thanks again for helping to show that the proof stands, and that you have a religion in atheism.

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February 27, 2017, 01:35:22 PM
What is so scary about contacting your own subconscious? I say we should let the truth about the mind be revealed, you will not be deceived by demons if you practice self-inquiry and self-hypnosis, both are proper tools in the life of the seeker but religions will normally work to supress the truth about personal power.

The danger is this. We have trouble finding truth with people. How are we going to determine truth if we contact spirits?

The inner mind has always held ways to contact spirits. The complexity of mind is one of the things that keeps spirits out. When we open up the parts of the inner to direct contact from our outer mind, we open up contact with the spirits.

We have very little control of inner mind. The spirits are often deceptive, teaching things outside of the realms of things that we can control easily. They can open us up to false things as well as true things, but we won't know the difference.

In addition, the complexity of the mind is so great that we don't easily understand what we are looking at when our inner mind feeds us some of its own data.

Stay away from contacting your inner self if you want to stay away from opening up a path for spirits to feed you their information. You won't be able to distinguish the truth from falsehood. Many people that have done this, have gone insane, or else lost control of their own thinking and belief system.

Cool

That is exactly the time when you lose your mind. 

There are no spirits.  That is the reality.

When you talk to God, you are religious.
When God talks back to you, you are insane.


When you think that God doesn't exist, you are religious.

When you don't accept the proof of the existence of God that nature and science show, you are insane.

Links to the proof:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.

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February 27, 2017, 01:32:37 PM
Actually, Jesus told everyone EXACTLY how to differentiate between good teachers and bad teachers; it's just one of those things where your skill gets better with practice. Jesus also said that you could do greater things than he did, that means that you can strengthen your spiritual connection with Father, you can use trance as a tool to reach out to GOD, and because GOD IS GOOD, he will answer your call; it will not be a scenario where you are being deceived by a demon, BADecker. What stories have you been hearing, exactly? The mental training I am familiar with does not cause such bizarre side-effects AT ALL.

In fact, all methods for contacting GOD in prayer all involve the use of the inner mind, your will is your connection to GOD, so with persistence and a bit of discernment you can strengthen your connection; GOD HEARS THE CALL OF YOUR HEART; I disagree that accessing the subconscious is dangerous because I am not aware of any cases of advanced mental training leading to psychosis (which teachers? which methods? you provided no plain examples); some people are vulnerable and need counseling, but this is not the rule; rather, the rule is that practically all will find benefits from meditation; using hypnosis to contact evil spirits is an exception, not the rule. Using hypnosis to get closer to GOD is much easier than you think, just like prayer focuses attention on one's mind and heart, so does hypnosis; in truth there is no such thing as "inner mind"; by closing off this part of your being, it is like you are restricting yourself from the innermost parts of your temple.

Throughout the Old Testament God tells people to avoid contact with the spirits. Our contact is to be with God, Himself, spiritually, not other spirits, spiritually.

Everything that we do involves using the inner mind. Almost none of it involves direct, aware, observed, contact with the inner mind. It is all automatic. It is not observational contact.

Self-hypnosis opens up the observation of the inner mind, thereby taking away the automatics. This is where we let down the built-in safe-guards with regard to protection from what the spirits might tell us or suggest to us.

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February 27, 2017, 01:29:53 PM

There are no spirits.  That is the reality.




You assert about "reality", but what about these 40 cases which actually happened in reality?
http://www.aeces.info/Top40/top40-main.shtml

What "reality-based" explanation do you provide? Oh, I see, you will dismiss these cases as "merely a PDF on some website".
Get a grip, af_newbie! Reality is staring you right in the face!
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February 27, 2017, 12:25:13 PM
Actually, Jesus told everyone EXACTLY how to differentiate between good teachers and bad teachers; it's just one of those things where your skill gets better with practice. Jesus also said that you could do greater things than he did, that means that you can strengthen your spiritual connection with Father, you can use trance as a tool to reach out to GOD, and because GOD IS GOOD, he will answer your call; it will not be a scenario where you are being deceived by a demon, BADecker. What stories have you been hearing, exactly? The mental training I am familiar with does not cause such bizarre side-effects AT ALL.

In fact, all methods for contacting GOD in prayer all involve the use of the inner mind, your will is your connection to GOD, so with persistence and a bit of discernment you can strengthen your connection; GOD HEARS THE CALL OF YOUR HEART; I disagree that accessing the subconscious is dangerous because I am not aware of any cases of advanced mental training leading to psychosis (which teachers? which methods? you provided no plain examples); some people are vulnerable and need counseling, but this is not the rule; rather, the rule is that practically all will find benefits from meditation; using hypnosis to contact evil spirits is an exception, not the rule. Using hypnosis to get closer to GOD is much easier than you think, just like prayer focuses attention on one's mind and heart, so does hypnosis; in truth there is no such thing as "inner mind"; by closing off this part of your being, it is like you are restricting yourself from the innermost parts of your temple.
legendary
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February 27, 2017, 12:02:15 PM
What is so scary about contacting your own subconscious? I say we should let the truth about the mind be revealed, you will not be deceived by demons if you practice self-inquiry and self-hypnosis, both are proper tools in the life of the seeker but religions will normally work to supress the truth about personal power.

The danger is this. We have trouble finding truth with people. How are we going to determine truth if we contact spirits?

The inner mind has always held ways to contact spirits. The complexity of mind is one of the things that keeps spirits out. When we open up the parts of the inner to direct contact from our outer mind, we open up contact with the spirits.

We have very little control of inner mind. The spirits are often deceptive, teaching things outside of the realms of things that we can control easily. They can open us up to false things as well as true things, but we won't know the difference.

In addition, the complexity of the mind is so great that we don't easily understand what we are looking at when our inner mind feeds us some of its own data.

Stay away from contacting your inner self if you want to stay away from opening up a path for spirits to feed you their information. You won't be able to distinguish the truth from falsehood. Many people that have done this, have gone insane, or else lost control of their own thinking and belief system.

Cool
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February 27, 2017, 12:25:16 AM
What the Merging of Spirituality and Science means for you:
Science Finally Proves Meridians Exist
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February 19, 2017, 01:01:29 AM
What is so scary about contacting your own subconscious? I say we should let the truth about the mind be revealed, you will not be deceived by demons if you practice self-inquiry and self-hypnosis, both are proper tools in the life of the seeker but religions will normally work to supress the truth about personal power.
legendary
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February 18, 2017, 09:26:06 PM
Care to provide any reasonable connection between self-hypnosis and demons, at all?

I don't know of any. But that isn't what I said.    Cool
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