Topic: Hhampuz embezzling signature campaign funds from BestMixer (Read 14707 times)

It's a sad day on Bitcointalk when shitheads like Quicksy can keep posting lies and make demands, while upstanding members like Hhampuz end up stepping away.

The owners of the company are almost certainly hiding from the government and/or are in jail (the former is more likely). The amount involved is smaller than what they are likely to want to care about. This does not change the fact that the theft of the money, as I strongly believe occurred, is any less wrong.

Further, there is blockchain evidence in the OP documenting that Hhampuz moved money from the Bestmixer signature campaign address and eventually moved it into a ChipMixer deposit address.

There is also blockchain evidence that Hhampuz took out a loan in an amount similar to the money missing from the BestMixer signature campaign shortly before the BestMixer campaign closed and the money went missing.

Not counting the loan, there is evidence that money was stolen from BestMixer the probability of which is more likely than not that money was stolen. The loan documents motive to steal the money.

Even further, you have left many ratings (the majority of your ratings) of which the person/entity who is purported to have lost money has not opened a scam accusation, nor otherwise complained. As such, I would refer you to these ratings to determine the legitimacy of this thread.

You should not assume guilt based on the lack of a response, however you should also not assume innocence based on the lack of a response -- you should weigh the available evidence and consider if there is sufficient evidence of guilt. Please note that in court, witnesses are presumed to be telling the trust, provided that testimony is not contradicted, and when someone says they know something, they can explain how they know said fact to possibly strengthen their credibility. If a defendant does not testify, and someone testifies that the defendant "could" have done "xx" this testimony should be disregarded as speculation.

As it stands now, there is evidence Hhampuz moved money belonging to BestMixer to a competing mixer after they closed down and were very unlikely to ever contact Hhampuz again looking for the money. There is also evidence that Hhampuz had an outstanding loan at the time.

Hhampuz's silence is not evidence of innocence, nor is it reason to believe speculation proposed by third parties who have made no claim to know the underlying facts.

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After some consideration, I have decided that I am willing to lock this thread if Hhampuz is able to do the following:
*deny stealing money from BestMixer, or from any other client of his
*explain that he moved the bitcoin belonging to BestMixer for xx reason -- he does not need to stipulate the address the bitcoin was moved to via ChipMixer
*confirm if the bitcoin has been returned to BestMixer, and if not, confirm that he is able and willing to return their money upon their public request

If 2 or 3 contradict with publicly available information, this thread will remain unlocked, and if additional information or complaints become public (that contradict with his answers to 2 or 3), the thread will become unlocked.

The above offer will remain in effect until 23:59 UTC Sunday July 7.

You can note that the question as to what happened to BestMixer's money was poised to Hhampuz over 24 hours prior to this thread being opened.

None of the speculation matters if the company does not open a scam accusation.

This thread should not have been made period. I've already stated in this thread it is in my best interest for Hhampuz to be scrutinized but If someone is going to try to crucify the guy they need a solid proof. Speculation is not solid proof.

I have no Ill will towards Hhampuz or the OP but there is 0 accusations from the company so let it go already. If an accusation pops up later then this thread is valid, until then shut the fuck up

Sorry we thought we were on the other thread replying to you.

Then we are on the same page for the most part it seems on the guilt/non guilt. ha well so to speak (not an intentional joke)


Think of it like this. Say you had children and you were considering getting a new dog. You don't mind and perhaps even enjoy to  hear from all the people that said hes a lovely dog, he can catch a stick, he shits outside straight in the poop bag, he  shakes paws with you. You REALLY MUST HEAR the person that shows you the video of that dog attacking a kid in the park and biting its fingers off. That is an extreme example to demonstrate 100's of good reports are null and void under certain circumstances where trust is required when 1 verified BAD report is presented.

When dealing with positions of trust or financial responsibility you want to hear ANY INSTANCES of wrong doing. Not be fooled/distracted by a ton of "good points".
Many scammers are good for a time that is how they gain trust. They can get plenty of character evidence.

When applying to work in the bank they do a criminal back ground check not ask you to bring your pals in who will tell you want a good laugh you are and generous at buying drinks.

Observable instances of prior wrong doing or supporting those that do wrong are very valid and important context for the reader to consider.

We are simply saying is hhampuz guilty of stealing or not? NOBODY BUT HHAMPUZ knows this, well perhaps bestmixer. Is there a chance he stole it. YES THERE IS. Our opinion is it is worth NOTING DOWN and placing in in the list of hhampuz other observable instances of shady looking or potentially shady looking behaviors.  

We get the point that others are claiming QS brought this to light because he was excluded from HH campaign. The motivation is irrelevant. Plus that may not be true.

1. it does not change if hhampuz stole the btc or not
2. it opens a new can of worms as to WHY hhampuz can exclude/include without giving clear detailed explanation that stands up to scrutiny and seems fair when matched against transparent and fair thresholds that are applied equally to all members.
3. does not alter the support of the dox of the forum treasurer
4. does not change what we believe is HHampuz prior support for observable scammers.

Yes... these irrelevant points should be discussed on a separate thread.

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Nothing.

You are doing the same.

All that we know so far come from presumptions towards either side.

So... character evidence?

What makes you assume we believe he is guilty? you are seemingly trying to put words in our mouth. We believe it "looks" bad but could have a believable and reasonable answer that would demonstrate it to be other wise.

We clearly said that in light of the OTHER instances of behavior that are far from optimal this should merely be NOTED down for further investigation at another time. Or to form part of the context in the future.

We believe that the reader should make up their own minds, but do so in the context of the other instances of sub optimal and what some would certainly term shady or untrustworthy behavior.

We believe it is possible or perhaps even probable but nobody knows hhampuz reason for liberating or moving the btc away from that address. Only hhampuz knows and he is choosing to remain silent. That is his own choice.


Are you claiming to believe he is innocent without doubt?  

Do you consider the supporting of doxing a forum treasurer a good thing?

Are you claiming that OTHER MEMBERS have not been given scam tags for FAR LESS?

Previously DT would likely just say, tell us what happened or red tag time. You know this attack first before the proof/explanation to protect others theory.

So then there we have it. No more regurgitated discussion because that's all we'll have without Hhampuz's reply... which I don't expect to come any time soon.

You can start the precedence of assuming guilt based on unanswered accusations now if you'd like.

The reader should look up a few posts to our prior informational post regarding your own history here. It is no advisable to take the word of one with such a dark looking history. Both hhampuz and tman and their pal lauda have VERY shady looking histories. Hhampuz is perhaps not look quite as bad as the other 2. But until the "truth" is known regarding the 0.5btc then it is best not to make any assumptions either way. The matter in our opinion when you consider the OTHER less than ideal behaviors looks CONCERNING.

Tman just repeating his known "pal" is fine and it's all bollocks along with his usual MO of childish swearing plus obsession with smelly vaginas and other hygiene issues that seem to crop up frequently in his posts means NOTHING.

This is one to take note of and observer future behaviors of transparent and fair campaign management and indeed any other financially related behaviors.

He hasn’t stolen shit, he moved funds (which anyone else with half a brain would also of done) just because QS has a hardon for HHampuz at the moment the thread was started, then all the smelly vagina buthurt pajeets are in posting. It’s bollocks, I’ve already offered to cover the amount “if” QS is correct, pretty sure if asked another 10 people would come in to offer the same reassurance. Snowfucker is safe as houses, shit he is holding some of my collectibles right now that pretty much cover this anyway, he maybe shit with money and takes a load of loans but that in no way makes him a bad bet with anyone else’s funds.

Nothing to see here other than some sig spamming (not you QS) and a load of smelly pajeet fucks, everyone else in here is speaking sense

Any proof yet?

This entire thread is a smear attempt by someone with a history of taking things out of context, claiming figments of imagination as 'proof', wrongfully accusing DT1 members for personal satisfaction and using alt accounts to manipulate discussions and threads.

Anyone is free to review his post history for themselves and make their own decision.

This post is a smear attempt by someone with a history of defending scammers in order to divert attention away from Hhampuz.

Anyone is free to review this thread for themselves and make their own decision.

FTFY

Voices in your head don't count.

Except there is evidence the money has been stolen, there is motive in the form of a loan, and multiple people have acknowledged there is ample evidence of wrongdoing on the part of Hhampuz.

Funny, I would think all the reasons Hhampuz would not want to publicly comment on the situation would involve him being guilty in this case. Also, since you have made your original statement, it has been shown that Hhampuz was in need of a loan similar in size to the amount of money that is unaccounted for not long prior to when the money went missing -- if anything this would change a reasonable person's opinion in favor of Hhampuz being guilty, as it documents motive to steal from BestMixer.

My opinion is you made your second post trying to increase the post count for that paid signature of yours, after forgetting what you had previously posted.

These are obviously assumptions and we also state false accusations.

The reader should be aware that TMAN has been involved in prior behaviors such as these mentioned by one of the most TRUSTED users on this forum ognasty. We quote ognasty below in red

Harassed user zeroxal as part of a confirmed and documented extortion scheme.

More details on the situation can be found here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/laudatmanminifrijironmarvel2owlcatz-extortion-attempt-1764757

TMAN used minerjones to anonymously auction a KIALARA and then attempted to manipulate the auction by stating, "wow this has to be a record low for a sub #100 serial. if I didn't have so many I would be snapping this up"
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19286369

Admission it was his auction:
"Dude I haven't crossed paths with OG in over 6 months, it wasn't until he derailed my auction hosted by MJ that this kicked off."
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19349060

He also claimed I was trying to "pretend" my casascius coins were loaded: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/my-cass-coin-collection-1945817

He then sent BTC to my publicly known address unsolicited and claimed I was trying to self escrow: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ognasty-self-escrowing-bets-and-not-listening-to-the-community-to-resolve-1946305

I don't trust this user, and his behavior on this forum in the time period from 6/2/17-6/4/17 should make that clear to anyone.


Along with these prior examples of shady behaviors Tman is vouching for hhampuz here. Let's not forget hhampuz is the person who supported the public dox of ognasty and refuses to be transparent regarding his hiring and firing during his campaign management.

When you have people like Tman showing up to "vouch" for you NOT stealing that is not essentially a good sign. Coupled with the other prior behaviors of hhampuz then it is reasonable NOT to just give him the benefit of the doubt. The truth would be better known and until it is then caution should be advised.

Tman is also making many other false claims regarding our own motivation for requesting hhampuz is TRANSPARENT in many areas. There is no personal affiliation with QS and visa versa.  QS has also made it clear our support is not appreciated since he does not approve of our more direct and at times less diplomatic methods. Sadly we take no council from any other members when it comes to supporting FAIR and TRANSPARENT rules that apply EQUALLY to ALL members.

If we believe QS is correct then we will support his argument regardless of his or anyone else wishes that we stay clear. If we believe he is INCORRECT or that his argument does NOT support a fair and transparent system we will refute his points. He seems to operate under the same MO. I don't believe it is reasonable to believe QS or ourselves are types that care for making friends. If something is correct then it gets supported. If it is incorrect then it gets opposed.

In this case although there is no PROOF of wrongdoing we feel it prudent that it was brought to light and that this can be added to the list of shady or unknown actions of hhampuz for a reference. Perhaps at another time hhampuz will be transparent over this matter.

@HCP

there was no parting pop shot. It is quite clear and sensible to suggest that a person that has gained what they want with the status quo will not push for changes that increase the competition. Stating human nature is human nature is not something I'm sure the reader will take as a revelation.

If you wish to deny that could be part of your motivation, then that is fine. It is possible. Perhaps you wish there were transparent rules for provably fair competition and fair distribution.

Feel free to DM me if you need to loan 0.5 BTC.

Yeah well, it seemed valid when first posted but after considering the entire situation and thinking about reasons why Hhampuz might not want to comment on this, I changed my stance.  I don't happen to think Hhampuz stole any funds, though I can't say what happened to them or why.  However, given that the mixer service was shut down on the drop of a pin, there are a lot of possibilities and I'm willing to give Hhampuz the benefit of the doubt on this one.

It's also not out of character for you, QS, to create a scam accusation like this out of spite.  That's all I'm saying.

Hhampuz hasn’t stolen shit. QS was just pissed off about being kicked from his campaign and now TAA is here as the fool has no mates and wants to impress QS.

If Hhampuz is proven to of stolen these funds from his employer I’ll pay the 0.5BTC, is that good enough for everyone who isn’t involved here? Or I suppose next someone will say I don’t have the funds and to prove it?