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legendary
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November 25, 2019, 07:39:04 PM
Ive recently discovered that holding is bad and not having an exit plan is very bad so ive tried trading and after a few days i loss my money but not all of it just the most of it. So right now im back in square where i hold my money because of the bearish market. Even though ive watched tons of tutorials about trading i always get scared when the market turns red now i know what FUD feels like.
When you are just new to trade then the feeling of being scared cant really be avoided but as you gain experience and do know the market well then these kind of emotions wont really be as severe when you are just starting.Hodling isnt bad if you do target out on years time on holding your coins but if you do talk about short term and missing out profits because you hold up then thats an another mistake.Same goes for not cutting loss when dump do happen but this do only applied on alts.

Deal with FUD and FOMO yet these would always exist on this kind of market.Do thing according to your likes as long you would able to profit.
full member
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November 25, 2019, 11:50:34 AM
sometimes holding does not have to be applied at any time, there must be an appropriate time for holding. because now holding sometimes makes us lose, market position cannot be stable and also market position is unpredictable. so I think we have to be careful what we do
legendary
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November 25, 2019, 10:11:16 AM
What I mean is that most trader spend their times monitoring the price for hours like 20 hours a day and 4 hours sleep in extreme way or let's say continuously monitoring the market 14 hours with less rest in it, that's the way people can re buy in the right time

But that explanation undermines your previous point

If you are looking into the market once or twice a week, you may see where the ship sails, and thus choose your entry and exit points (mostly, the latter).  Indeed, if you make a couple trades a week, this won't make you into a day trader (though opinions may vary), but that still makes you a trader, not a 100% holder

Technically, it is exactly the idea behind "hodling", i.e. to forget about your cryptocurrency investments for a few years (the longer the better). You can see such advices springing up here and here of the forum, especially when someone was unlucky to buy at or near the top. To sum it up, a hodler is essentially a failed trader
legendary
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November 25, 2019, 05:42:35 AM
If you, generally speaking, don't have time to check the prices once a week or so, maybe cryptocurrencies aren't for you after all. Maybe you should start looking into something else, for example, deposit accounts which you don't have to check months on end or even long-term treasuries like 30-year bonds which you can safely forget about for literally decades? Just my 2 sats
Ah you didn't get my points.

Just because you are holding 100% of the time , doesn't mean you can't check the market twice a week or even just once a week lol
Who the hell gonna let their investment forgotten for decades Cheesy
What I mean is that most trader spend their times monitoring the price for hours like 20 hours a day and 4 hours sleep in extreme way or let's say continuously monitoring the market 14 hours with less rest in it, that's the way people can re buy in the right time.
legendary
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November 24, 2019, 09:33:00 AM
I really don't get the mindset of all these people saying hodl 100% of the time. It is quite clearly more profitably to sell when the market is down, and rebuy when the market is up.

If you do that several times in a row you will end up with significantly more BTC than when you started with. Obviously this larger stack will then be worth a whole lot more if BTC ever reaches the moon as so many proclaim.

You could even throw in some shorting on the downturns and prediction markets for the upturns to increase your profits even further.

Mindlessly holding is now the way for a trader.
What about those people who have no time to spend hours or even days monitoring the latest market condition to know when the best time to sell and when to re-buy it?

Are you sure these people made the right investment choice?

I mean the right choice of investing in Bitcoin and crypto in general? If you, generally speaking, don't have time to check the prices once a week or so, maybe cryptocurrencies aren't for you after all. Maybe you should start looking into something else, for example, deposit accounts which you don't have to check months on end or even long-term treasuries like 30-year bonds which you can safely forget about for literally decades? Just my 2 sats
sr. member
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November 24, 2019, 08:51:43 AM
Ive recently discovered that holding is bad and not having an exit plan is very bad so ive tried trading and after a few days i loss my money but not all of it just the most of it. So right now im back in square where i hold my money because of the bearish market. Even though ive watched tons of tutorials about trading i always get scared when the market turns red now i know what FUD feels like.
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November 24, 2019, 08:15:44 AM
This was related to me right now.. 100% agree to people who says , just holding assets is can't make profit itself.. do trading with it.
But the problem is I didn't know how to trading , just know basic steps of trading.. mostly I do trading and lost about 10-15% of my assets and I stop it.
Maybe later I must learn more about trading , because this was important to gain more profits.
Let's create a trading group then. If the good traders will share some knowledge it will make some difference for the newbies.
Problem is, who's a good trader? 🤣
There are lots of trading group in TG or any social site if you want to join on them.
They are sharing on what experience on what it make in trading and getting some information on how to be a good traders.

And it is good also for the newbies if want to learn in trading and get more profit on trade some coins.



Some reason they don't actually share their experience and strategy to gain money in trading those, they want to share is almost lost and profitable not by their own new strategy that makes perfect in trading.
legendary
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November 24, 2019, 07:23:41 AM
I really don't get the mindset of all these people saying hodl 100% of the time. It is quite clearly more profitably to sell when the market is down, and rebuy when the market is up.

If you do that several times in a row you will end up with significantly more BTC than when you started with. Obviously this larger stack will then be worth a whole lot more if BTC ever reaches the moon as so many proclaim.

You could even throw in some shorting on the downturns and prediction markets for the upturns to increase your profits even further.

Mindlessly holding is now the way for a trader.
What about those people who have no time to spend hours or even days monitoring the latest market condition to know when the best time to sell and when to re-buy it ?

I don't think everyone can be a good trader , the fact that those people who doing sell on bearish and try to re-buy it on the bullish... most of the times they are failed.
That's why hold your bitcoin 100% of the time is a better choice! Most of the times!
And eventhough you want to sell it at certain point , just think for the long term investment to not sell all of them and making bitcoin as an asset that you should never release in the very near future , you need at least 1 bitcoin to hold forever and you'll be fine heading to the future.
sr. member
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November 24, 2019, 04:52:28 AM
This was related to me right now.. 100% agree to people who says , just holding assets is can't make profit itself.. do trading with it.
But the problem is I didn't know how to trading , just know basic steps of trading.. mostly I do trading and lost about 10-15% of my assets and I stop it.
Maybe later I must learn more about trading , because this was important to gain more profits.
Let's create a trading group then. If the good traders will share some knowledge it will make some difference for the newbies.
Problem is, who's a good trader? 🤣
There are lots of trading group in TG or any social site if you want to join on them.
They are sharing on what experience on what it make in trading and getting some information on how to be a good traders.

And it is good also for the newbies if want to learn in trading and get more profit on trade some coins.

sr. member
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November 22, 2019, 08:29:23 AM
There is no need to speak ill of holders as that might be their best strategy that has been working for them overtime. But on a general note holding is not as profitable as it used to be before,  many token fell below their IEO price and till now have not been able to pick up ever since, holders holding such coin would be in a huge loss by now.  If you must hold my advice for you to hold BTC which is less volatile and have the potentials to increase in price in the future.  Aside that if you holding altcoins make sure you sell at every ATH and buy back occasionally so as to make profit and at thesame time keep your
legendary
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November 22, 2019, 05:47:14 AM
Mindlessly holding is now the way for a trader

People have obviously burned their fingers

Many had probably tried the "trading routine" in the past, and if the price went their way, they quickly sold out without letting profits grow. On the other hand, if the price went against them, they were not so quick to sell and cut their losses short, so they unwillingly and reluctantly turned into "mindless holders". So either way, these wretched traders had essentially only one option ahead of them (well, a single option is not an option at all), and which was to hold
legendary
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November 21, 2019, 05:22:35 PM
I really don't get the mindset of all these people saying hodl 100% of the time. It is quite clearly more profitably to sell when the market is down, and rebuy when the market is up.

If you do that several times in a row you will end up with significantly more BTC than when you started with. Obviously this larger stack will then be worth a whole lot more if BTC ever reaches the moon as so many proclaim.

You could even throw in some shorting on the downturns and prediction markets for the upturns to increase your profits even further.

Mindlessly holding is now the way for a trader.
A non surprising thing yet that word HODL is just already a typical step for those people who dont want to risk on doing short trades.
When tending to accumulate more bitcoin then active trades is much more preferable but in exchange it would really have that certain risk.
Hodl for those people who dont want to risk and immediate trade are for those who are serious on accumulating their stuff.
There are many people in the crypto market that I think not everyone can trade directly and not everyone will only hold it for a long or medium time. So in this case we cannot assume that everyone has the same personality and interests in this space, so whatever method they employ ultimately has the same goal for a profit from trading and also investment.
legendary
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November 21, 2019, 04:32:54 PM
I really don't get the mindset of all these people saying hodl 100% of the time. It is quite clearly more profitably to sell when the market is down, and rebuy when the market is up.

If you do that several times in a row you will end up with significantly more BTC than when you started with. Obviously this larger stack will then be worth a whole lot more if BTC ever reaches the moon as so many proclaim.

You could even throw in some shorting on the downturns and prediction markets for the upturns to increase your profits even further.

Mindlessly holding is now the way for a trader.
A non surprising thing yet that word HODL is just already a typical step for those people who dont want to risk on doing short trades.
When tending to accumulate more bitcoin then active trades is much more preferable but in exchange it would really have that certain risk.
Hodl for those people who dont want to risk and immediate trade are for those who are serious on accumulating their stuff.
legendary
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November 21, 2019, 02:20:40 PM
I really don't get the mindset of all these people saying hodl 100% of the time. It is quite clearly more profitably to sell when the market is down, and rebuy when the market is up.

If you do that several times in a row you will end up with significantly more BTC than when you started with. Obviously this larger stack will then be worth a whole lot more if BTC ever reaches the moon as so many proclaim.

You could even throw in some shorting on the downturns and prediction markets for the upturns to increase your profits even further.

Mindlessly holding is now the way for a trader.
legendary
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November 21, 2019, 04:01:43 AM
It all started so innocently. Why not give crypto a try? All the guys at work are talking about it. Shitcoins, ICOs, Tethers, Smart Contracts. You wanted in. It was the Next Big Thing, you fucking idiot.

So you put a little money in the crypto market in 2018. How do you feel today? Portfolio in the red. You don’t even want to look at it. Hodl, they all said. It will come back after the FUD, they all said. And now you’re numb, and depressed, and can’t even afford a bottle of Jack to drown out the pain.

You’ve learned (hopefully) that hodling is bad.

Hodling is like prayer. A lot of people may believe in it, but it doesn’t fucking work. Your assets aren’t protected by God, and they do not respond to the intensity of your beliefs. No matter how hard you believe, crypto-assets just do whatever they do. The market and the universe remain indifferent to your convictions.

In the world of poker, there’s a saying: “If within the first 10 minutes, you can’t spot the sucker at the table, it’s you.” So you’ve been pwned by crypto, Mr. or Mrs. SmartyPants. Somebody else is having a nice Christmas this year with your (actual) money.

But every failure is a learning experience. Hopefully you’ve learned something too. Most successful investors eat shit at the beginning. You know why? Because the ones you’re trading against have already eaten it, and they know how to avoid the same mistakes.

Haha..This was an awesome post and could have gone to a lot of other conclusions.
ROFL @ "It was the next biggest thing, you fucking idiot". Not just shitcoins and ICOs but also Blockchain Logistics, Blockchain Bananas and Shrimps, Big Data and AI on blockchain...!!LOL..and of course, smart contracts.

I just want to say that this little guy who bought a fraction of a BTC in 2017-18 maybe an idiot but not the "fucking idiot" that the true hodler/ whale is. Its the people who keep propagating stuff about hyperbitcoinization and sortta lead the new guy to "believe" and hold on to their bags. The real BTC whales are themselves "trading" and moving the market in ICO's, IEO's etc. Who does all these pumps and dumps where the starry-eyed new bag-hodlers lose money?

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November 21, 2019, 03:22:13 AM
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November 06, 2019, 10:26:57 PM
Holding will only turn bitcoin into an asset not a currency. I also do not agree, Holding as you say that they hold without reason, whereas to hold you must understand the market, not hoping for a rise without a clear reason. Some users I know hold because they know market trends, I am also annoyed with the types of categories of users who do not know the market but advise others to stand by them.
Holding requires knowledge and before investing, set a price to sell to ensure your profit in the long term. The crypto market is often very volatile and absolutely cannot make you safe when investing. In fact, investing any coin needs to think carefully because you have to research this market the most carefully because any mistake will make you huge losses.

I have met a lot of investors who only make money and they do not understand the potential of this market because for them the crypto market is only a tool to make money so those investors often fail more.
sr. member
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November 06, 2019, 05:42:03 AM
I know trading is much better than Holding but at first, you have to ensure the price and market. when your price is more or less stable then you can say that not to hold, you have to know why people hold their Bitcoin, I think the main reason is the price volatility, We are all greedy and we are here for making a profit, so why we don't hold our Bitcoin, it's just an individual wise, So if this bitcoin and cryptocurrency platform would be stable then people do whatever they do as the fiat purpose, another thing is the lack of payment source, if Bitcoin would be accepted at randomly then people use as the payment tools, so the backlog should be removed then everything will be fine by the time.
Yes, I agree with your opinion even though trading is much better than holding back but the market situation really affects the user must take a stand.
and all will correct each other's differences of opinion to become better and wiser users, greed here just wants to have a big profit even though greed will turn into regret on the grounds that when prices go up don't sell them and hope prices will continue to go up, and reality
instead the price drops below the previous price and it is a regret experienced by all users for holding it for too long.
newbie
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November 06, 2019, 05:39:08 AM
I know trading is much better than Holding but at first, you have to ensure the price and market. when your price is more or less stable then you can say that not to hold, you have to know why people hold their Bitcoin, I think the main reason is the price volatility, We are all greedy and we are here for making a profit, so why we don't hold our Bitcoin, it's just an individual wise, So if this bitcoin and cryptocurrency platform would be stable then people do whatever they do as the fiat purpose, another thing is the lack of payment source, if Bitcoin would be accepted at randomly then people use as the payment tools, so the backlog should be removed then everything will be fine by the time.


Trading is better if you know how to trade and you are patient. In any other case it is safier to just Hold and wait for your coin to pump. Another thing is to know when you should quit with your gains.

I lost so much money because of my lack of patience Sad
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November 06, 2019, 04:05:58 AM
I know trading is much better than Holding but at first, you have to ensure the price and market. when your price is more or less stable then you can say that not to hold, you have to know why people hold their Bitcoin, I think the main reason is the price volatility, We are all greedy and we are here for making a profit, so why we don't hold our Bitcoin, it's just an individual wise, So if this bitcoin and cryptocurrency platform would be stable then people do whatever they do as the fiat purpose, another thing is the lack of payment source, if Bitcoin would be accepted at randomly then people use as the payment tools, so the backlog should be removed then everything will be fine by the time.
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