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Re: Hodler, you motherfucker.
May 06, 2019, 06:55:43 AM
#124
Quote from: Pattart on May 04, 2019, 09:48:52 PM
if you don't have any strategy and patience in holding, of course holding will only waste your time and money, look at what happened last year, many newbies do holding without clear knowledge and strategies, then when prices fall and stay low in long time and then makes many of them give up and do cutlose, it is a form of waste time and your money
They are still same people coming on this platform to pour their anger because of their lack of knowledge, strategy and patience, instead of them to learn from the older ones on how they were able to manage through all the storms they went through before bitcoin reaches its ATH last time.

When did they invest that they would not let the peace of bitcoin be, we have some matured investors that would even buy shares in a company in the real life, leave it there for even up to 30 years before they even think of asking about it, which they don’t usually regret after going back to it. So, we really need to be patient for our investment to really grow by holding.
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Re: Hodler, you motherfucker.
May 06, 2019, 06:28:13 AM
#123
Quote from: DKREBEL86 on May 05, 2019, 07:25:28 AM
Quote from: deisik on May 05, 2019, 12:30:31 AM
Quote from: Indamuck on March 16, 2019, 03:12:45 PM
Trading is a losing game for the majority of people.  If people all took your advice then the possible profits to made would shrink to practically nothing just like how the stock market became super efficient.  The truth is holding is a valid strategy for the majority of people that don't want the constant stress of day trading

How can it possibly be a valid strategy?

And I'm not even sure what you mean by valid (or invalid) here, care to explain? A trading strategy can be profitable or unprofitable, and that's in essence all that counts and makes sense in the end. I don't know how it can be "valid" if it brings only losses, and for those who bought at anything higher than 10k, it is a losing game as of yet. So instead of daily stress these people received perpetual pain and suffering. Myself, I'd rather stick with the stress

I totally agree with you. My opinion is that too many crypto buyers (I don't dare to call them investors) don't understand why the prices of the assets go up or down. The words of the guy who's against trading strategies are the words of someone who doesn't even know what an exit strategy is or how an hedging strategy works... sad
Majority of them do really have this kind of mentality or in short doesn't really have much idea on what they are doing with trading which they do simply put up money and wait for the outcome
either it would be a loss or profiting one.

Some would really be just dragged out with they hype when they do saw lots of people been profiting without even realizing that it isn't really that simple or it doesn't work that way to easy.
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Re: Hodler, you motherfucker.
May 06, 2019, 06:03:49 AM
#122
Quote from: bitgolden on May 06, 2019, 05:38:19 AM
The problem is what people are being told. Some people that lost their money in bitcoin today, it wouldn’t have happened if they were given the right information. Some of them just hopped in because they thought that bitcoin is a place for a quick money, but what they met was different . When giving information to people , it’s best that we let them know the risks involved in cryptocurrency, it’s not just about making profit , you can as well lose your money . So if you’re hodl, then do so what you can afford to risk.

Quote from: deisik on May 05, 2019, 12:30:31 AM
Quote from: Indamuck on March 16, 2019, 03:12:45 PM
Trading is a losing game for the majority of people.  If people all took your advice then the possible profits to made would shrink to practically nothing just like how the stock market became super efficient.  The truth is holding is a valid strategy for the majority of people that don't want the constant stress of day trading

How can it possibly be a valid strategy?

And I'm not even sure what you mean by valid (or invalid) here, care to explain? A trading strategy can be profitable or unprofitable, and that's in essence all that counts and makes sense in the end. I don't know how it can be "valid" if it brings only losses, and for those who bought at anything higher than 10k, it is a losing game as of yet. So instead of daily stress these people received perpetual pain and suffering. Myself, I'd rather stick with the stress
I think you’re not getting what he’s trying to say. It’s not everyone of us that knows how to trade , so there are lots f people that lose their money in trading because they don’t know how to trade, it happens to a lot of people everyday. Hodl is a way out for those that don’t know how  and wouldn’t like to stress themselves much with all the stress and risks that comes with being a day trader. Day trading is good if you know how to trade at least you will be making profits on a daily , unlike Hodl where you will have to wait for like months or even up to a year.

Holding is not a strategy.

Assuming that you buy and hold but don't know how to trade, how can you possibly exit your investment? The majority of the shitcoins are not exchangeable for fiat... so what will you do? Go on facebook and post a stupid question? Maybe your smart cousin will help you? The sad truth is that you don't even know what an exit strategy is, that's why you consider the mere holding as a strategy.
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Re: Hodler, you motherfucker.
May 06, 2019, 05:38:19 AM
#121
The problem is what people are being told. Some people that lost their money in bitcoin today, it wouldn’t have happened if they were given the right information. Some of them just hopped in because they thought that bitcoin is a place for a quick money, but what they met was different . When giving information to people , it’s best that we let them know the risks involved in cryptocurrency, it’s not just about making profit , you can as well lose your money . So if you’re hodl, then do so what you can afford to risk.

Quote from: deisik on May 05, 2019, 12:30:31 AM
Quote from: Indamuck on March 16, 2019, 03:12:45 PM
Trading is a losing game for the majority of people.  If people all took your advice then the possible profits to made would shrink to practically nothing just like how the stock market became super efficient.  The truth is holding is a valid strategy for the majority of people that don't want the constant stress of day trading

How can it possibly be a valid strategy?

And I'm not even sure what you mean by valid (or invalid) here, care to explain? A trading strategy can be profitable or unprofitable, and that's in essence all that counts and makes sense in the end. I don't know how it can be "valid" if it brings only losses, and for those who bought at anything higher than 10k, it is a losing game as of yet. So instead of daily stress these people received perpetual pain and suffering. Myself, I'd rather stick with the stress
I think you’re not getting what he’s trying to say. It’s not everyone of us that knows how to trade , so there are lots f people that lose their money in trading because they don’t know how to trade, it happens to a lot of people everyday. Hodl is a way out for those that don’t know how  and wouldn’t like to stress themselves much with all the stress and risks that comes with being a day trader. Day trading is good if you know how to trade at least you will be making profits on a daily , unlike Hodl where you will have to wait for like months or even up to a year.
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Re: Hodler, you motherfucker.
May 05, 2019, 07:25:28 AM
#120
Quote from: deisik on May 05, 2019, 12:30:31 AM
Quote from: Indamuck on March 16, 2019, 03:12:45 PM
Trading is a losing game for the majority of people.  If people all took your advice then the possible profits to made would shrink to practically nothing just like how the stock market became super efficient.  The truth is holding is a valid strategy for the majority of people that don't want the constant stress of day trading

How can it possibly be a valid strategy?

And I'm not even sure what you mean by valid (or invalid) here, care to explain? A trading strategy can be profitable or unprofitable, and that's in essence all that counts and makes sense in the end. I don't know how it can be "valid" if it brings only losses, and for those who bought at anything higher than 10k, it is a losing game as of yet. So instead of daily stress these people received perpetual pain and suffering. Myself, I'd rather stick with the stress

I totally agree with you. My opinion is that too many crypto buyers (I don't dare to call them investors) don't understand why the prices of the assets go up or down. The words of the guy who's against trading strategies are the words of someone who doesn't even know what an exit strategy is or how an hedging strategy works... sad
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Re: Hodler, you motherfucker.
May 05, 2019, 12:30:31 AM
#119
Quote from: Indamuck on March 16, 2019, 03:12:45 PM
Trading is a losing game for the majority of people.  If people all took your advice then the possible profits to made would shrink to practically nothing just like how the stock market became super efficient.  The truth is holding is a valid strategy for the majority of people that don't want the constant stress of day trading

How can it possibly be a valid strategy?

And I'm not even sure what you mean by valid (or invalid) here, care to explain? A trading strategy can be profitable or unprofitable, and that's in essence all that counts and makes sense in the end. I don't know how it can be "valid" if it brings only losses, and for those who bought at anything higher than 10k, it is a losing game as of yet. So instead of daily stress these people received perpetual pain and suffering. Myself, I'd rather stick with the stress
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Re: Hodler, you motherfucker.
May 04, 2019, 09:48:52 PM
#118
Quote from: shesheboy on March 11, 2019, 05:41:03 PM
Quote from: richcorner100 on March 11, 2019, 03:35:35 AM
Yes holding is waste so long times even a few years, alot of newbies investor was decide to hold crypto in the beginning of 2018 without any risk management, so they getting loss much money. So trading or holding should be with risk management.


Holding isnt a waste of time because when you hold , you didnt do anything . you can just leave your coins inside your wallet and continue your life outside the crypto scene . trading should be consider a waste of time because trading is an active  activity . you dont need any risk management when you hold because hodling is not risky as trading   and  as long as you chose the best coins  .
if you don't have any strategy and patience in holding, of course holding will only waste your time and money, look at what happened last year, many newbies do holding without clear knowledge and strategies, then when prices fall and stay low in long time and then makes many of them give up and do cutlose, it is a form of waste time and your money
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Re: Hodler, you motherfucker.
May 04, 2019, 04:24:07 PM
#117
Quote from: Indamuck on March 16, 2019, 03:12:45 PM
Trading is a losing game for the majority of people.  If people all took your advice then the possible profits to made would shrink to practically nothing just like how the stock market became super efficient.  The truth is holding is a valid strategy for the majority of people that don't want the constant stress of day trading.

I have to strongly disagree on that.
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Re: Hodler, you motherfucker.
March 16, 2019, 03:12:45 PM
#116
Trading is a losing game for the majority of people.  If people all took your advice then the possible profits to made would shrink to practically nothing just like how the stock market became super efficient.  The truth is holding is a valid strategy for the majority of people that don't want the constant stress of day trading.
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Re: Hodler, you motherfucker.
March 16, 2019, 01:26:45 PM
#115
Quote from: DaMut on December 18, 2018, 12:46:42 PM
Quote from: Leonard2016 on December 18, 2018, 12:25:01 PM
Good job!
Yeah I think trading is much better than holding , the important thing is the capital , You have started with 1 bitcoin and that's the point , The main capital could decrease the risk of trading if it is much enough , if not you need to look forward to bigger percentages and that could cause more risks , I hope you success in that trading way!

Trading is better for those who can trade it, but for those who can not do it? they will not make it. And about hold and not to hold, it is about your style and strategy.
technically, when you are jumping into something in your real life. You would not expect something in a single day, right? Holding is like running a business, at first you are going to see what will happen to your business and then make a goal based on it.
in the end, you can not force something that is out of their way. people have a different kind of strategy and mindset, they might do not really care about what is going on with our current price right now because they put something that is basically nothing to them and would expect it to go zero at any moment.

when you have something bigger other than your trade right now, and you can live with it. why would you care about something that is nothing for you?
Yeap i agree with you. Who do not know about trade or fail and lost huge money,so this people only hold their asset but i think never be greedy and always fix a target profit when you fill the target profit sell.But people cannot sell and they want to more profit but finally, they get high lost.But i always think trade is better than hold.
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Re: Hodler, you motherfucker.
March 16, 2019, 12:59:55 PM
#114
Quote from: CryptoToxicAvenger on March 08, 2019, 06:16:10 PM
That's exactly what I did. For a long time I remained a holder, but soon I got tired of it. Now I am studying trade and I am very glad that I started doing it.
In my opinion, hodl is one of the best things those long term investors have done so far. It really is instrumental in adding big and huge value to the worth of your coins in long term because in the long term, the values of the coins jump up and vary by huge difference so yes hodl might not be a very good strategy for you in the short term but try out long term as well.
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Re: Hodler, you motherfucker.
March 16, 2019, 12:59:16 PM
#113
Quote from: richcorner100 on March 11, 2019, 03:35:35 AM
Yes holding is waste so long times even a few years, alot of newbies investor was decide to hold crypto in the beginning of 2018 without any risk management, so they getting loss much money. So trading or holding should be with risk management.
Holding becomes waste of time only when one does not set his investment purpose right.  Most people that sees holding as waste of time are people that invested with the mind of reaping profit in a short period of time which the investor would have just opted in for market trading.

Holding is for investors that are very rich and can afford to overlook their investment for a very long period of time and yet still live comfortably in their world. Personally, I see any investment one expect to reap its profit in 2 years as an non-serious investment.
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Re: Hodler, you motherfucker.
March 15, 2019, 12:34:41 PM
#112
Quote from: fibrolit on March 14, 2019, 01:50:12 PM
It's good to post pictures with profit,when everything has already happened,bitcoin was constantly on a downtrend.What if it didn't fall all the time during the year? If after 10100 he jumped again on 11000-12000? What would the author do?You have to be a visionary...
Many people find it very hard to speak positively, especially considering their problems after the investment at the end of 2017. If you really look at this problem, it becomes clear what losses many users of cryptocurrency are experiencing today.
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Re: Hodler, you motherfucker.
March 15, 2019, 10:42:30 AM
#111
Quote from: XCANA on March 13, 2019, 05:12:49 AM
Quote from: CryptoToxicAvenger on March 08, 2019, 06:16:10 PM
That's exactly what I did. For a long time I remained a holder, but soon I got tired of it. Now I am studying trade and I am very glad that I started doing it.

Although there are two different result which individual can get from being a Hodler or a Trader. A hodler can make huge profits while hodl against the bull run while a trader can make profits on daily basis base on his/her vast knowledge on trading. Trade can generate profit of 2-4% daily for a good trader but looses for the amateur traders.
And what percent of the profits would one make if one is hodling? I believe that long term hodling has a very big return as far as I have studies the success stories of the people who had invested at all time low.

But, not all who hodl have invested low. Many of them are the people who invested in Bull Run at a price more than $18k and are still hodling. It has been more than a year now and they are still hodling and might recover their money and might gain profits it the market value surged higher than the all time high in the history.
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Re: Hodler, you motherfucker.
March 14, 2019, 01:50:12 PM
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It's good to post pictures with profit,when everything has already happened,bitcoin was constantly on a downtrend.What if it didn't fall all the time during the year? If after 10100 he jumped again on 11000-12000? What would the author do?You have to be a visionary...
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Re: Hodler, you motherfucker.
March 14, 2019, 01:16:06 PM
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Is mostly not about total HODL man You just need to analyze and make some serious changes according to the market and project My advice is study the process first and then work hard to get things actually done
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Re: Hodler, you motherfucker.
March 14, 2019, 07:55:05 AM
#108
Quote from: richcorner100 on March 11, 2019, 03:35:35 AM
Yes holding is waste so long times even a few years, alot of newbies investor was decide to hold crypto in the beginning of 2018 without any risk management, so they getting loss much money. So trading or holding should be with risk management.

I don't know what sad experience you must have had in the past that made you take this disposition to hodling. Anyway, whatever it was I would like to correct that impression. Holding is like trading long term. You see? You can make huge profit hodling just like you can incur huge loss also like people do intra-day or swing trading.
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Re: Hodler, you motherfucker.
March 14, 2019, 03:17:19 AM
#107
Quote from: ginobitcoiner on March 07, 2019, 10:04:19 AM
why can you say that holders are bastards?
they have their own principles and ways of trading.
the holder is the same as the merchant, I am sure as a trader you will also hold your coins, right?
I believe that everyone in the market has their own strategies. Everyone approach and solves the knots in a different way. The investors who have been holding their coins since say 2013 have been hodlers and yes you might hate them but they have been benefited immensely by their decisions and have really made millions of dollars in the business in the cryptocurrency.
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Re: Hodler, you motherfucker.
March 13, 2019, 07:49:18 AM
#106
Quote from: XCANA on March 13, 2019, 05:12:49 AM
Quote from: CryptoToxicAvenger on March 08, 2019, 06:16:10 PM
That's exactly what I did. For a long time I remained a holder, but soon I got tired of it. Now I am studying trade and I am very glad that I started doing it.

Although there are two different result which individual can get from being a Hodler or a Trader. A hodler can make huge profits while hodl against the bull run while a trader can make profits on daily basis base on his/her vast knowledge on trading. Trade can generate profit of 2-4% daily for a good trader but looses for the amateur traders

That's highly unlikely on a regular and consistent basis

Technically, you can generate so much profit with small amount (for example, via arbitrage) but if the question is about real money, the total majority of successful traders are making so much on a monthly basis at the best of times. Indeed, when the price is rising (or falling, for that matter), it is easy to earn money but you don't need to be a particularly good trader for that. It is a dead market (like recently) which reveals truly good and efficient traders which can catch fish in still waters
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Re: Hodler, you motherfucker.
March 13, 2019, 05:12:49 AM
#105
Quote from: CryptoToxicAvenger on March 08, 2019, 06:16:10 PM
That's exactly what I did. For a long time I remained a holder, but soon I got tired of it. Now I am studying trade and I am very glad that I started doing it.

Although there are two different result which individual can get from being a Hodler or a Trader. A hodler can make huge profits while hodl against the bull run while a trader can make profits on daily basis base on his/her vast knowledge on trading. Trade can generate profit of 2-4% daily for a good trader but looses for the amateur traders.
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