Topic: Honestly, which is better? Monero or Dash? - page 22. (Read 35946 times)

The developer of Dash owns a lot of it. So he has the incentive to develop it further and maintain it. I am not sure about Monero.

Wasn't the crippled gpu mining code carried over from what monero was a fork of? I also remember reading it was fixed rather early on and the shady people were given the boot. Seems like a minor ding compared to the deceit involved with early darkcoin.

In terms of technology and innovation behind both coins you have to give it to Dashcoin, took me few days to read about the instamine with Dashcoin + the crippled thing with Monero both had issues but one worked harder and the other did a gambling website with bug fixing.

I don't like to choose between both, why can't we choose both as an investment?  It is childish to create forum threads about a coin you are not interested in just to boost up the coin's you're holding in my opinion.

Dashcoin with instant transaction is like a dream coming from Bitcoin! and it actually works!  and I hope they compete in a sense we don't have a child fight in both coin's ANN threads and instead to better these coins to become something so amazing.

soon as i hear "community" i am out..

So I like reading up both on Monero and Dash, and personally just like Monero better than Dash... but seriously, can we just stop it with these reoccurring threads that are the same exact topic over and over again? In all reality it's terrible for both sides of the spectrum, because it seems to piss of people that regularly check the altcoin section of the forum which are people who are the most likely to invest in either coin.

I say this is what should be done. Let the well known members of both coins give concise reasonings and explanations for their opinion on which is better. It would be beneficial to add links or images pinpointing what they are talking about, and other people can look into it later when they get the chance.  Then after a couple of days when everyone has had their piece about which one is better, the OP should then post up a "pro vs. con" chart for each coin and then let people decide for themselves, rather than bickering and name calling like 9 year old school girls.

This other opinion of mine could be up for debate... but I feel that once the above has been achieved, it should be stickied, with the notion that no other threads like this will come about ever, and the only threads that should be allowed to be in this section of the forum are the main speculation threads for both coins.  If any other threads are to be created, it should be deleted by the Mods... no exceptions.

So what do you guys think about this? I feel this would ease tensions between both parties, and allow for a more reasonable discussion on substance rather than name calling.

I vote none of the above.

Not intended to be a criticism on any specific coin, but I think this "community" attribute (as measured here on this forum) is entirely useless unless you are just referring to the value as pump & dump speculation on this forum.

These communities of speculators here on this forum are not going to make any difference as to whether a coin gets widely adopted by currency users. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

Why? Because speculators don't do anything nor have any impacts which have anything to do with user adoption of a currency.

Now developers could help. But I don't think developers are what most people mean by "community".

My vote goes to Dash, cause I have some dash in possession. I`m completly new in this alt coins (generaly I`m new with blockchain), and some weeks ago I started to experiment with trading (mostly on yobit and for some " funny" amount), well for dash there is some faucets, but for monero i couldnt find any. Maybe question is not for here, but how u guys earn this alt coins? 

You guess well, it's not even my second , it is the third or forth.
Thanks to correct me.

Without the funny business that Dash had when it started i would vote for that because of the development that coin has and community behind it. But there was funny business and i don't like that. My vote is for Monero.

FTFY

Welcome.

I'm starting to guess that english isn't your first language?

Ignorance (i.e. not doing your homework) is semantics?

Uh no.. it stems from speaking before searching.

You seem to have missed my point which is that with Zerocash, the users who have an issue with resources required for strong anonymity can choose to not use anonymity because they don't need it. You don't have to force those resources on everyone. Whereas, with Cryptonote and Dash, everyone needs to participate in the mixes, because small anonymity sets are another vector of attack on the anonymity. In other words CN and Dash mixes are temporal and Zerocash mixes everything from the past and future in the same universal mix.

Those who need anonymity won't care about the very small resource requirements of Zerocash (they are now looking to be insignificantly different than RingCT ... I once saw 300ms where they failed to update an old estimate and now I see an update to 6ms in the FAQ and the zk-SNARKs paper).

Zerocash is more likely to be resource oppressive. But then it depends on the time scale in question. Technology improvements will likely continue to mitigate that over time.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing when I saw a demo of one of those on a video. Thank you for the useful feedback.

I see no logical reason for the masses to reject anonymity en masse protest (masses are complacent any way) if they aren't forced to use it when it is too slow and resource oppressive to their needs and main priorities.

This is another strong reason to favor Zerocash, because then the universal anonymity set doesn't require most users to be in it, and still be effective. This is a criticism of both Dash and Cryptonote.

Eventually even diehards will realize they want to be on the winning side, so I wonder how much longer you can resist.   I do play chess but I use a board called life instead of one with a well studied set of actors.

Okay we agree on that part of it.


2 minutes is much too slow for most retail, especially since you can't be sure you will get a block in two minutes (slow blocks happen so it might be 5 or longer), nor that the first block won't be reorged.


Trezor support for Monero has been worked on but it is challenging because the hardware is so underpowered (sized more or less to just barely be able to handle Bitcoin and its forks). Maybe that problem will solve itself over time as other hardware wallets become available (it also isn't impossible Monero will be made to work on it).

I agree anonymity isn't a killer feature for most people (they use Facebook after all), but it is very hard to maintain fungibility without good privacy on the chain. That's not something you can really sell as a feature, but is still a necessary foundation for a strong monetary system.

There is also an argument that a minority with a strong desire for an attribute such as privacy when the majority doesn't much care can push the market toward single solution that addresses the needs of both if the cost of the attribute is not too high.

TPTB, I replied to you but I accidentally deleted it.

I don't feel like retyping it all, so I'll just comment that the discussion is off topic for Monero or Dash except to note that we aren't even talking about Dash at all. Which is significant.

Anyway, long term if zk-snarks pan out then as you say they are important for many applications. We don't need to rush anything here, nor dismiss using more mature methods in the interim, but no one is dismissing the method certainly, nor claiming that something that applies zero knowledge across all transactions does not provide superior privacy. Just at what costs remains to be seen.

Dash appears to have more attack holes than Swiss cheese. For example, InstantX makes a Finney double-spend attack trivially easy else unlimited forking[1]. We are enumerating some of the flaws over in my thread for anyone who is interested in the gory details. I will be making more posts analyzing this with monsterer.

Any one who thought someone of Evan's meager intellect (the guy isn't dumb but he does not appear to be a cryptographer nor have the necessary background and he is reaching over his head in terms of the experience and skills needed to pull off a change to Satoshi's design) without any peer review and help from experts could create a system that isn't flawed, must be smoking some really good weed or is just not very informed about the technologies involved.

I am not taking sides on Monero vs. Dash issue. But I am evaluating the technologies. I have been frank about issues with anonymity in Cryptonote and I am also being frank about block chain consensus design as it applies to Dash and Evolution. Please don't accuse me of being biased. Anyone is free to correct me on the facts in my thread. But please do know what you are talking about and don't just start a war of silly words.

Anyone who goes on claiming any advantage of InstantX without admitting it can be trivially double spent or lead to unlimited forking seems to be intellectually dishonest. Arguments along the lines of "if that is true, why didn't happen yet" are refuted with:

1. Perhaps only I am the one who realized how to attack it. And I just described it today.
2. There isn't much incentive to do that attack, because (from what I've heard about most of the trading volume on altcoins being fake) there isn't any way to extract any significant value from Dash via shorting.

I will not discuss the premine issue. I don't care. That is up to you all to decide about. I understand the arguments. I understand perhaps it matters. In my mind none of that matters. None of these coins any where close to serving the masses. Any coin that is serving the masses won't have to answer to anyone's allegations because anyone who invents a coin with millions of users has already won.

[1]	https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13270588 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13278948 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13280681