about motivation: read above
you need to offer things exclusively or at a significant discount for btc to get motivation.
otherwise no girls (ok, not many) for bitcoin in the foreseeable future.
Topic: How do we get the women on board? - page 17. (Read 38449 times)
I think it is not much to ask to know how a bank wire works.
Most exchanges accept bank wire (at least Mt. Gox and TradeHill).
And for the sponsoring of girls: I didn't mean the boy has to give them as gift.
He could simply say: give me 50 bucks and I'll exchange them for you into bitcoin.
This isn't really that hard.
(BTW In most / a lot of relationships this is the case anyway...the guy does the setup of new technical stuff and shows the girl how to handle what she needs (unless she is smart enough to do all by herself))
Most exchanges accept bank wire (at least Mt. Gox and TradeHill).
And for the sponsoring of girls: I didn't mean the boy has to give them as gift.
He could simply say: give me 50 bucks and I'll exchange them for you into bitcoin.
This isn't really that hard.
(BTW In most / a lot of relationships this is the case anyway...the guy does the setup of new technical stuff and shows the girl how to handle what she needs (unless she is smart enough to do all by herself))
This is what I'm going to expect to happen, yes it's very stereotypical but there's a reason why stereotypes exist
Guy: Look at this awesome new payment method using Bitcoin...
Girl: What?
Guy:
Girl:
Guy:
Girl: OH, why didn't you say THAT in the beginning? That looks pretty, how do I buy that?
Guy: Simple, it's like using Paypal... erm you just need to create an eWallet first... let's just download this...
Girl :
Guy: Yeah, that's done
Girl: So I just click buy using Bitcoin?
Guy: Erm no, we need to get you some coins first...
Girl:
Guy: Let me see, that's more than I have in my ewallet. I'll go wire some money to MtGox, then we can buy your shoes next Wednesday!
Girl: Forget it, XYZ has a sale of the hour discount on something similar, I'm just going to use my credit card.... <30 seconds later> done. This bitcoin shit sucks, I'm so telling the girls not to waste time listening if their guys get started on it.
Guy: ...
<6 months later, with vastly improved Bitcoin infrastructure>
At some party
Guy B: Did you girls know about the latest awesome bitcoin fashion shop?
Girl: Oh no, Bitcoin sucks, it's complicated and take forever!
Guy: That was 6 months ago, they've improved...
Girl B:
Girl : Oh yeah, it was such a mess! I had to do a bank transfer to buy anything! By the time I could buy something, Fedex would had shoes from XYZ at my doorstep
Girl C: Oh my, that's so bad!..
Girl A: tell me about it, such as waste of my time!
Girl D: Bank transfer? Where did they come from? 1990s? Didn't they know about credit cards?
Girl A: Apparently not!
Guys: ....
I think it is not much to ask to know how a bank wire works.
Most exchanges accept bank wire (at least Mt. Gox and TradeHill).
And for the sponsoring of girls: I didn't mean the boy has to give them as gift.
He could simply say: give me 50 bucks and I'll exchange them for you into bitcoin.
This isn't really that hard.
(BTW In most / a lot of relationships this is the case anyway...the guy does the setup of new technical stuff and shows the girl how to handle what she needs (unless she is smart enough to do all by herself))
Most exchanges accept bank wire (at least Mt. Gox and TradeHill).
And for the sponsoring of girls: I didn't mean the boy has to give them as gift.
He could simply say: give me 50 bucks and I'll exchange them for you into bitcoin.
This isn't really that hard.
(BTW In most / a lot of relationships this is the case anyway...the guy does the setup of new technical stuff and shows the girl how to handle what she needs (unless she is smart enough to do all by herself))
It's not a "smartness" thing, it's a motivational thing. Guys just LIKE to set up technical stuff.
I think it is not to much to ask to know how a bank wire works.
Most exchanges accept bank wire (at least Mt. Gox and TradeHill).
And for the sponsoring of girls: I didn't mean the boy has to give them as gift.
He could simply say: give me 50 bucks and I'll exchange them for you into bitcoin.
This isn't really that hard.
(BTW In most / a lot of relationships this is the case anyway...the guy does the setup of new technical stuff and shows the girl how to handle what she needs (unless she is smart enough to do all by herself))
Most exchanges accept bank wire (at least Mt. Gox and TradeHill).
And for the sponsoring of girls: I didn't mean the boy has to give them as gift.
He could simply say: give me 50 bucks and I'll exchange them for you into bitcoin.
This isn't really that hard.
(BTW In most / a lot of relationships this is the case anyway...the guy does the setup of new technical stuff and shows the girl how to handle what she needs (unless she is smart enough to do all by herself))
How about this:
boy meets girl. boy buys bitcoins for girl and puts it into a online wallet for her (mybitcoin / walletbit, etc.). girl buys shoes online.
boy meets girl. boy buys bitcoins for girl and puts it into a online wallet for her (mybitcoin / walletbit, etc.). girl buys shoes online.
This of course, is the way it always works.
I KID! Tho I do make more $ than my wife now (therefore "buying her bitcoins" on a daily basis) that was not always the case. We've been together almost 20 years, and the first 8 or so she made more than me.
How about this:
boy meets girl. boy buys bitcoins for girl and puts it into a online wallet for her (mybitcoin / walletbit, etc.). girl buys shoes online.
boy meets girl. boy buys bitcoins for girl and puts it into a online wallet for her (mybitcoin / walletbit, etc.). girl buys shoes online.
Good for you bro, unfortunately I think most of us are not so rich that we can sponsor a girl for all her online purchases just to kickstart bitcoin.
Plus boy meets girl is another step, boy buys bitcoins is another step. One way or another, you've got somebody buying bitcoin somehow.
While the topic is about women, for all practical purposes the average non-technie non-libertian guy on the street will have similar behavioural reactions to the hoops that needs to be jumped.
Heck, we even have techie users complaining HERE about the trouble it takes to get cash into dwolla (before the scandal broke) and into tradehill just to buy some coins.
We need to solve that fundamental process issue and I'm afraid it might not be resolvable until a corp with large enough funding takes an interest. For that to happen, I feel the underlying infrastructure e.g. like the bitcoin client, must be more polished and bitcoin less volatile. The current US$13~14 is a good level if it is maintained.
How about this:
boy meets girl. boy buys bitcoins for girl and puts it into a online wallet for her (mybitcoin / walletbit, etc.). girl buys shoes online.
boy meets girl. boy buys bitcoins for girl and puts it into a online wallet for her (mybitcoin / walletbit, etc.). girl buys shoes online.
thanks - I changed it in the op.
no! no need to deposit anything that's the beauty of it.
you simply can implement it on the merchant checkout and it will give the customer the total in BTC and the address where to send it to with an graphic step by step guide.
As a customer you only need to be able to handle your client or online wallet - everything else will be shown to you step by step!
no! no need to deposit anything that's the beauty of it.
you simply can implement it on the merchant checkout and it will give the customer the total in BTC and the address where to send it to with an graphic step by step guide.
As a customer you only need to be able to handle your client or online wallet - everything else will be shown to you step by step!
You see, where's the customer going to get her wallet full of bitcoin? You want to teach the average person (nevermind woman) how to put together a $1K rig and mine for 1 month to buy that US$30 item?
Or ask them to go through the whole mess of buying from an exchange?
That's what I mean by an extra step. We're missing that easy step from cash already in the bank to bitcoin payment for the average person. Like I said, Paypal could had been a good partner and make it easy for the average person to buy bitcoin. But since they see bitcoin as a threat and has unacceptable chargeback policies for the nature of bitcoin...
thanks - I changed it in the op.
no! no need to deposit anything that's the beauty of it.
you simply can implement it on the merchant checkout and it will give the customer the total in BTC and the address where to send it to with an graphic step by step guide.
As a customer you only need to be able to handle your client or online wallet - everything else will be shown to you step by step!
no! no need to deposit anything that's the beauty of it.
you simply can implement it on the merchant checkout and it will give the customer the total in BTC and the address where to send it to with an graphic step by step guide.
As a customer you only need to be able to handle your client or online wallet - everything else will be shown to you step by step!
check out www.bit-pay.com (it's awesome - and it is like paypal with bitcoins)
super easy - even for non tech girls.
super easy - even for non tech girls.
I saw it after posting, because your original post had it backwards as pay-bit.com
On the merchant side it looks like how paypal works but how does it look like on the user side?
No charge backs? Only for the US market?
Seems like maybe the user has to deposit cash/cheque with them before being able to make a purchase. Still one step too many if that's the way, but definitely it sounds like a massive improvement over what's currently available
I'm going to say we shouldn't get the women onboard for now.
First impression makes a big difference and if the first few women decides the experience's awful, you can be sure the power of the Women's p2p network will pretty much give Bitcoin a stinking reputation that would take years to overcome.
Before bitcoin even thinks about reaching out beyond the geek/tech/speculator crowd, who are by nature more understanding of risks and failings involved with new evolving new tech, bitcoin has to have a proper and user friendly infrastructure in place.
Not only the UI of the bitcoin client and addresses but also methods to convert existing cash to bitcoin easily. If Paypal wasn't such a bitch, it would had been so much easier. But right now, there isn't a good way to pay directly without having to jump through the hoops of paying somebody else cash in exchange for BTC, then using BTC to buy.
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First impression makes a big difference and if the first few women decides the experience's awful, you can be sure the power of the Women's p2p network will pretty much give Bitcoin a stinking reputation that would take years to overcome.
Before bitcoin even thinks about reaching out beyond the geek/tech/speculator crowd, who are by nature more understanding of risks and failings involved with new evolving new tech, bitcoin has to have a proper and user friendly infrastructure in place.
Not only the UI of the bitcoin client and addresses but also methods to convert existing cash to bitcoin easily. If Paypal wasn't such a bitch, it would had been so much easier. But right now, there isn't a good way to pay directly without having to jump through the hoops of paying somebody else cash in exchange for BTC, then using BTC to buy.
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check out www.bit-pay.com (it's awesome - and it is like paypal with bitcoins)
super easy - even for non tech girls.
I'm going to say we shouldn't get the women onboard for now.
First impression makes a big difference and if the first few women decides the experience's awful, you can be sure the power of the Women's p2p network will pretty much give Bitcoin a stinking reputation that would take years to overcome.
Before bitcoin even thinks about reaching out beyond the geek/tech/speculator crowd, who are by nature more understanding of risks and failings involved with new evolving new tech, bitcoin has to have a proper and user friendly infrastructure in place.
Not only the UI of the bitcoin client and addresses but also methods to convert existing cash to bitcoin easily. If Paypal wasn't such a bitch, it would had been so much easier. But right now, there isn't a good way to pay directly without having to jump through the hoops of paying somebody else cash in exchange for BTC, then using BTC to buy.
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First impression makes a big difference and if the first few women decides the experience's awful, you can be sure the power of the Women's p2p network will pretty much give Bitcoin a stinking reputation that would take years to overcome.
Before bitcoin even thinks about reaching out beyond the geek/tech/speculator crowd, who are by nature more understanding of risks and failings involved with new evolving new tech, bitcoin has to have a proper and user friendly infrastructure in place.
Not only the UI of the bitcoin client and addresses but also methods to convert existing cash to bitcoin easily. If Paypal wasn't such a bitch, it would had been so much easier. But right now, there isn't a good way to pay directly without having to jump through the hoops of paying somebody else cash in exchange for BTC, then using BTC to buy.
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If many customers and potential customers would ask for bitcoin acceptance they might do it (probably not exclusively but additionally...)
So, girls and women of this world write an email and ask Zalando to accept bitcoins!
So, girls and women of this world write an email and ask Zalando to accept bitcoins!
Just like I mentioned earlier:
make http://www.zalando.com accept Bitcoin exclusively
and the Bitcoin economy will get a boost 10 times the way it had in its best times so far.
(chicks all over Europe get crazy about that online shop - it's like Amazon for women!!!)
make http://www.zalando.com accept Bitcoin exclusively
and the Bitcoin economy will get a boost 10 times the way it had in its best times so far.
(chicks all over Europe get crazy about that online shop - it's like Amazon for women!!!)
Good idea, but I can't see why an already successful company would want to accept bitcoin exclusively right now. However, if they accepted bitcoin for exclusive, limited offers...
Please read this post!
Its about www.bit-pay.com which is the easiest way to accept bitcoins as a merchant ever!
This could very well be the solution for businesses already specialized in female desires
=> http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=32467.msg405450#msg405450
Its about www.bit-pay.com which is the easiest way to accept bitcoins as a merchant ever!
This could very well be the solution for businesses already specialized in female desires
=> http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=32467.msg405450#msg405450
They want shinies, they want fast transfers, they might won over by ideology, but probably not the ideology of libertarianism. They want to use the system that their favorite site uses, and they want to use the system their friends use. This by the way probably describes how mainstream males think too.
Way to stereotype, much! lol.
I'm a female who was actually drawn to bitcoin for the ideology of libertarianism. But yes, I also would like to see it used in my favorite sites, would like my friends to use it (though this wouldn't impede my own use of it if they didn't) and, yes, what I quoted from your initial post above pretty sums up over 90% of men as well.
To this end, while women will certainly play a role in getting bitcoin to go maistream, I think bitcoin needs more of an air of familiarity. Websites that have attractive, rather than just functional designs, would be a good start. More merchants selling more than just gadgets (though I do know a few female gadget fiends) - Bitcoin World Market will probably get a decent female following once bitcoin takes off as it sells beauty therapies, scented candles, gourmet and organic food items, chocolate... OK, now I'M stereotyping, cos I can easily live without chocolate. lol.
Incidently, BWM it will also probably get a really decent gay following. THAT's a fringe market that might be worth soliciting before the mainstream gets in on the act - particularly 30 something+, professional (whether in the arts, corporate or other business sectors), with no dependents.
Quite frankly, I think an air of exclusivity coupled with sophistication is what bitcoin needs. Bitcoin-only offers to special events, one-offs or limited editions that can only be purchased with btc... Basically, something that will make people have to buy bitcoins in order to take part in this special offer/event/promotion/exclusive service would be a good idea, something that makes them feel like trendsetters rather than geeks. This would be my idea, I guess, of the "shine" you mention women want.
Quoted for truth!
oh i forgot. throw in a bunch of SHOE BUSINESSES!!!
+1Not just any old shoes though... Expensive, luxury brand name shoes.
They want shinies, they want fast transfers, they might won over by ideology, but probably not the ideology of libertarianism. They want to use the system that their favorite site uses, and they want to use the system their friends use. This by the way probably describes how mainstream males think too.
Way to stereotype, much! lol.
I'm a female who was actually drawn to bitcoin for the ideology of libertarianism. But yes, I also would like to see it used in my favorite sites, would like my friends to use it (though this wouldn't impede my own use of it if they didn't) and, yes, what I quoted from your initial post above pretty sums up over 90% of men as well.
To this end, while women will certainly play a role in getting bitcoin to go maistream, I think bitcoin needs more of an air of familiarity. Websites that have attractive, rather than just functional designs, would be a good start. More merchants selling more than just gadgets (though I do know a few female gadget fiends) - Bitcoin World Market will probably get a decent female following once bitcoin takes off as it sells beauty therapies, scented candles, gourmet and organic food items, chocolate... OK, now I'M stereotyping, cos I can easily live without chocolate. lol.
Incidently, BWM it will also probably get a really decent gay following. THAT's a fringe market that might be worth soliciting before the mainstream gets in on the act - particularly 30 something+, professional (whether in the arts, corporate or other business sectors), with no dependents.
Quite frankly, I think an air of exclusivity coupled with sophistication is what bitcoin needs. Bitcoin-only offers to special events, one-offs or limited editions that can only be purchased with btc... Basically, something that will make people have to buy bitcoins in order to take part in this special offer/event/promotion/exclusive service would be a good idea, something that makes them feel like trendsetters rather than geeks. This would be my idea, I guess, of the "shine" you mention women want.
Men trying to figure out what women want. This is going to end well.
Its not that hard(they want everything), and its the holy grail of what men want to know so absolutely worthwhile practicing
Men trying to figure out what women want. This is going to end well.
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