Topic: How gambling sites can cheat you - page 10. (Read 1277 times)
They can say your bet was invalid,or the result was wrong,blah blah only if you pick the bad gambling website.So pick the best and no worries.
They can accuse for having multiple accounts and can freeze your account with funds in it,this is one of the recent way of scamming from gambling sites but not all the sites were doing are cheating actually some sites identifies the users abusing their terms and conditions that is why there were freezing their account.
Yeah it's very difficult to actually uncover that sort of scam.
If it's done by a generally trusted website, people will automatically just assume that the person reporting this sort of scam is just lying.
Especially if they're people who do not speak English very well, they just get accused of cheating, when in fact that's not necessarily the case.
I agree from those who said that the only site that will do that are those who are not so known site / scam gambling site, businesses without many players who've played inside their house, but for gambling site who already gained reputations they won't do that as they can lose their players and lose their business maybe the worst that you can get from them is the process of KYC delaying tactics if you win huge amount from their site.
Thing you need to know about probably fair websites
1> you control your part of secret
2> website has its know secure text, you get hash for it, so it ensure that there can not be any alteration to the server secret
so a bet roll is generated using 1 & 2, which ensures there is no cheat.
Now consider this
1> your account is hosted on there website, all it takes is 1 command to database to delete your whole account and you will not prove anything.
suppose a user deposited 10 BTC, the website can simply delete his account and claim its never been created, so what use are your secrets hash.
2> or they can alter your password and claim its been hacked and its your responsibility
[ remember : password is saved as hash in the database, so they cannot know your password but they can definitely change it , and claim its been hacked]
FOR NOW THE ONLY SOLUTION SEEMS TO ME IS TO USE , A SMART ETHEREUM CONTACT OR USE BITCOIN ON-CHAIN BETTING.
1> you control your part of secret
2> website has its know secure text, you get hash for it, so it ensure that there can not be any alteration to the server secret
so a bet roll is generated using 1 & 2, which ensures there is no cheat.
Now consider this
1> your account is hosted on there website, all it takes is 1 command to database to delete your whole account and you will not prove anything.
suppose a user deposited 10 BTC, the website can simply delete his account and claim its never been created, so what use are your secrets hash.
2> or they can alter your password and claim its been hacked and its your responsibility
[ remember : password is saved as hash in the database, so they cannot know your password but they can definitely change it , and claim its been hacked]
FOR NOW THE ONLY SOLUTION SEEMS TO ME IS TO USE , A SMART ETHEREUM CONTACT OR USE BITCOIN ON-CHAIN BETTING.
Yes they can cheat, that is if the devs on that site has no integrity on their own. But most of those legit gambling sites has this security for their customers, so we cannot really say that they cheat and trusting them is all we can do about it.
I don't think many websites do that, but probably some scam websites may have done it already.
So this is why it's important to look for reliable gambling sites ,for some years on the market and with community support.
There are many gambling websites with these characteristics, so you have no reason to risk in Unknown ones.
Scammers are scammers we cant do anything about that.they will victimized anyone for the sake of money,as i have known many sites either gambling or exchangers that until now is operating to prevent from being victim then better check this threadSo this is why it's important to look for reliable gambling sites ,for some years on the market and with community support.
There are many gambling websites with these characteristics, so you have no reason to risk in Unknown ones.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/how-to-know-if-the-website-is-a-scam-there-you-find-it-4456502
Theres the thread hope that may help otherd
If an online casino decides to scam you or sees you as an suspicious individual, they will usually force KYC on you. They won't delete their database just because you won some lucky bets.
They'll force KYC on you and ask for papers, even though you provide everything they ask, that process will never end.
They'll force KYC on you and ask for papers, even though you provide everything they ask, that process will never end.
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There is a various way by which those sites can cheat you. Earlier I have gotten a thread where someone complained about changing seed when user get the bigger amount. Anyway, I don't think a bigger site is going to do this. It's a matter of reputation, man.
So i was thinking the same way like online gambling has this system like airlines which changes its price depends on the people who books and checks their sites. When in terms on online casinos, they depend their winnings on the number of people who bets or how often they need to have wins in order to have patrons. Its possible knowing that online casinos are based on a system.
Not an exact comparison but they are somewhat similar. Overall, the ball is in their court and they can do whatever they are preferring. When there are a lot of possibilities to be cheated in physical casino, I'm afraid there could be multiple times of similar possibilities with online casino. Because, there will be the chances of sudden changing of terms and services and also chances for hiding evidences for the case to case like OP mentioned.i would prefer YOLODICE
I like to suggest you to go for bitsler, they are being highly reputed among this community for year and giving them a try may enable some changes on how you are viewing online gambling houses. 
Those are possible things but have you seen how many reputable gambling sites nowadays? Yes, they can alter nor rigged users account with big balance but they wont do such thing.Why?
They know they can earn more than that if they do able to get more users in the market.They can make profits for long term more than on the amount they can get from several users.
Once you make an issue on site it will already give negative impressions forever.
They know they can earn more than that if they do able to get more users in the market.They can make profits for long term more than on the amount they can get from several users.
Once you make an issue on site it will already give negative impressions forever.
Yeah your truly correct and probably I recommend to choose gambling site run over the years like 777coin bitcoin gambling site popular and have reputation. To avoid istake and losing money by making account in the gambling site without reputation.
its not neccessary, i would prefer YOLODICE
Those are possible things but have you seen how many reputable gambling sites nowadays? Yes, they can alter nor rigged users account with big balance but they wont do such thing.Why?
They know they can earn more than that if they do able to get more users in the market.They can make profits for long term more than on the amount they can get from several users.
Once you make an issue on site it will already give negative impressions forever.
They know they can earn more than that if they do able to get more users in the market.They can make profits for long term more than on the amount they can get from several users.
Once you make an issue on site it will already give negative impressions forever.
Yeah your truly correct and probably I recommend to choose gambling site run over the years like 777coin bitcoin gambling site popular and have reputation. To avoid istake and losing money by making account in the gambling site without reputation.
Those are possible things but have you seen how many reputable gambling sites nowadays? Yes, they can alter nor rigged users account with big balance but they wont do such thing.Why?
They know they can earn more than that if they do able to get more users in the market.They can make profits for long term more than on the amount they can get from several users.
Once you make an issue on site it will already give negative impressions forever.
They know they can earn more than that if they do able to get more users in the market.They can make profits for long term more than on the amount they can get from several users.
Once you make an issue on site it will already give negative impressions forever.
if they can then they will, and don't forget when they delete users account, the user have no proper screenshots or logs to open a scam accusations.
So i was thinking the same way like online gambling has this system like airlines which changes its price depends on the people who books and checks their sites. When in terms on online casinos, they depend their winnings on the number of people who bets or how often they need to have wins in order to have patrons. Its possible knowing that online casinos are based on a system.
Yes, it does exist and I feel so bad looking for some hotel because the price always change. In gambling online its also possible, it takes only one system and they can do everything they want. Well, its ok for me as long as its not a big amount, I mean I don’t want to be scam of course, but if its already in their system I can’t do anything about it.Many people don't know the exact reason for why some websites for gambling will cheats because in the starting stage the gambling sites that we have saying who are cheating will definitely need money that's why they are cheating lots of Bitcoin and use them to make another site to develop their uses it is the main reason for cheating in gambling.
They can accuse for having multiple accounts and can freeze your account with funds in it,this is one of the recent way of scamming from gambling sites but not all the sites were doing are cheating actually some sites identifies the users abusing their terms and conditions that is why there were freezing their account.
If you check "scam accusation" board of forum you will get the point about scam gambling sites. Countless scam issues are almost unpreventable if owner doesn't like winners. I mainly don't check the T&C line by line in order to save my valuable time which can be used for analysis. Account farming is unacceptable because limits are there for a reason. I saw a lot of offers for buying fixed matches with discount but of course they refuse to pay back the lost amount in case of it loss. I've generally noticed that the sites which do things like delete user accounts, etc are usually lesser-known and reputable sites that aren't as trustworthy. There's always going to be a chance that even an established site may do something of this variety, but lesser-known sites have less to lose than a larger site.
Setting up 2FA through Google or another type of authentication app also helps against cases of actual account theft, and though thieves may simply contact site support to remove 2FA from an account after the thief has acquired the password for said account, most sites also stop withdrawals after 2FA's been removed for a day or two so you'll likely have noticed this abnormality before your funds are stolen in a legitimate situation of account theft. It never hurts to have extra security.
Setting up 2FA through Google or another type of authentication app also helps against cases of actual account theft, and though thieves may simply contact site support to remove 2FA from an account after the thief has acquired the password for said account, most sites also stop withdrawals after 2FA's been removed for a day or two so you'll likely have noticed this abnormality before your funds are stolen in a legitimate situation of account theft. It never hurts to have extra security.
yes legitimate sites doesn't do it, but it happens lot of times
Those are possible things but have you seen how many reputable gambling sites nowadays? Yes, they can alter nor rigged users account with big balance but they wont do such thing.Why?
They know they can earn more than that if they do able to get more users in the market.They can make profits for long term more than on the amount they can get from several users.
Once you make an issue on site it will already give negative impressions forever.
We are still not capable of using the full advantage of bitcoin. OP is right that on chain betting can resolve it but I don't know how it will be done. May be a decentralized open platform for all to gamble?They know they can earn more than that if they do able to get more users in the market.They can make profits for long term more than on the amount they can get from several users.
Once you make an issue on site it will already give negative impressions forever.
For sure the reputed sites is not going to bother about the small amounts since they know the entire business will fall apart if they get caught or the users starts to question them but when it comes to betting large amount of money then for the customer it's always a hesitation.
Yeah but is reputed sites really trustworthy? Let's say I took more than like 50-75% of their bankroll and tried to withdraw it. Will they still allow me to withdraw? Like you said, when anyone is betting large amounts, there's always a chance for them to go rogue.
In Bustabit, a guy almost dropped the bankroll down 66% I think. Luckily Devans and Ryan in my eyes, is always trustworthy considering they still let anyone withdraw without any issues at all, never seen KYC from them either, even when the guy is betting 10-21 BTC per round with multiple accounts.
To @Oilacris , Yeah, they can make more in the long term, but is it really stopping the scammers who tries to stay anonymous while operating a gambling site? They can always open a new one.
They can accuse for having multiple accounts and can freeze your account with funds in it,this is one of the recent way of scamming from gambling sites but not all the sites were doing are cheating actually some sites identifies the users abusing their terms and conditions that is why there were freezing their account.
So i was thinking the same way like online gambling has this system like airlines which changes its price depends on the people who books and checks their sites. When in terms on online casinos, they depend their winnings on the number of people who bets or how often they need to have wins in order to have patrons. Its possible knowing that online casinos are based on a system.
Yes, it does exist and I feel so bad looking for some hotel because the price always change. In gambling online its also possible, it takes only one system and they can do everything they want. Well, its ok for me as long as its not a big amount, I mean I don’t want to be scam of course, but if its already in their system I can’t do anything about it.Many people don't know the exact reason for why some websites for gambling will cheats because in the starting stage the gambling sites that we have saying who are cheating will definitely need money that's why they are cheating lots of Bitcoin and use them to make another site to develop their uses it is the main reason for cheating in gambling.
So i was thinking the same way like online gambling has this system like airlines which changes its price depends on the people who books and checks their sites. When in terms on online casinos, they depend their winnings on the number of people who bets or how often they need to have wins in order to have patrons. Its possible knowing that online casinos are based on a system.
Yes, it does exist and I feel so bad looking for some hotel because the price always change. In gambling online its also possible, it takes only one system and they can do everything they want. Well, its ok for me as long as its not a big amount, I mean I don’t want to be scam of course, but if its already in their system I can’t do anything about it. 
So i was thinking the same way like online gambling has this system like airlines which changes its price depends on the people who books and checks their sites. When in terms on online casinos, they depend their winnings on the number of people who bets or how often they need to have wins in order to have patrons. Its possible knowing that online casinos are based on a system.
Those are possible things but have you seen how many reputable gambling sites nowadays? Yes, they can alter nor rigged users account with big balance but they wont do such thing.Why?
They know they can earn more than that if they do able to get more users in the market.They can make profits for long term more than on the amount they can get from several users.
Once you make an issue on site it will already give negative impressions forever.
We are still not capable of using the full advantage of bitcoin. OP is right that on chain betting can resolve it but I don't know how it will be done. May be a decentralized open platform for all to gamble?They know they can earn more than that if they do able to get more users in the market.They can make profits for long term more than on the amount they can get from several users.
Once you make an issue on site it will already give negative impressions forever.
For sure the reputed sites is not going to bother about the small amounts since they know the entire business will fall apart if they get caught or the users starts to question them but when it comes to betting large amount of money then for the customer it's always a hesitation.
Yeah but is reputed sites really trustworthy? Let's say I took more than like 50-75% of their bankroll and tried to withdraw it. Will they still allow me to withdraw? Like you said, when anyone is betting large amounts, there's always a chance for them to go rogue.
In Bustabit, a guy almost dropped the bankroll down 66% I think. Luckily Devans and Ryan in my eyes, is always trustworthy considering they still let anyone withdraw without any issues at all, never seen KYC from them either, even when the guy is betting 10-21 BTC per round with multiple accounts.
To @Oilacris , Yeah, they can make more in the long term, but is it really stopping the scammers who tries to stay anonymous while operating a gambling site? They can always open a new one.
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