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Quote from: noormcs5 on April 08, 2023, 12:13:56 AM

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Quote from: rodskee on April 06, 2023, 10:08:31 PM

Not sure if they are legit or truly giving it away but the problem is that they are gathering players from this style and yes there are almost every gambling site gives this kind of information and luring.
how I wonder that would be the actual reaction of each players that they think being fooled on that way, because for me there are no assurance if this is right and true.
so don't fall into promises instead make sure you are dealing with honest site and not just to lure and run .

Every business uses some marketing technique to attract customers, it can involve bonuses, giveaways, trials, and the list goes on. Now, the customer that joins that business needs to make sure that they get what they were promised before joining, and if they get that, they wouldn't have any issues whether the company or the project is paying others or not.

I think casinos with a good reputation don't really have anything to prove since everyone knows that they do pay the bonuses, etc. that they promise but the platforms that are relatively new in the market are probably questioned for not being honest enough with their customers.

Well, i can only say one thing here. With dishonesty, the casino may gain few gamblers but in the long term they will lose the players and their business cannot survive and grow
On the other hand, if the casino is honest, the gamblers will be retained, they won't look for a new better casino and hence it will be good for the long term business.

Now it's up to the casinos how they want to operate and be successful in a world where there is a lot of competition. If a gambling casino is found to be dishonest, I am afraid gamblers will leave the casino forever, and it's hard to regain the trust of the casino.

Honesty is not enough to keep or retained online gamblers, not all people are that loyal, and this is money making we talking about, where everyone are free to do what they feel like.

A gambler can decide to leave or abandoned a online casino if they are not making any more achievement, for example, if a gambler keep losing on a online casino they will want to try other casinos.

A gambler can also decide to leave an online casino with high reputation if the games on the casino platform is no more fun or if the platform lacks more game, most smart gamblers look for fun more than doubling their money, and the only way to keep the fun in check is playing new fun games.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on April 08, 2023, 12:13:56 AM

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Quote from: rodskee on April 06, 2023, 10:08:31 PM

Not sure if they are legit or truly giving it away but the problem is that they are gathering players from this style and yes there are almost every gambling site gives this kind of information and luring.
how I wonder that would be the actual reaction of each players that they think being fooled on that way, because for me there are no assurance if this is right and true.
so don't fall into promises instead make sure you are dealing with honest site and not just to lure and run .

Every business uses some marketing technique to attract customers, it can involve bonuses, giveaways, trials, and the list goes on. Now, the customer that joins that business needs to make sure that they get what they were promised before joining, and if they get that, they wouldn't have any issues whether the company or the project is paying others or not.

I think casinos with a good reputation don't really have anything to prove since everyone knows that they do pay the bonuses, etc. that they promise but the platforms that are relatively new in the market are probably questioned for not being honest enough with their customers.

Well, i can only say one thing here. With dishonesty, the casino may gain few gamblers but in the long term they will lose the players and their business cannot survive and grow
On the other hand, if the casino is honest, the gamblers will be retained, they won't look for a new better casino and hence it will be good for the long term business.

Now it's up to the casinos how they want to operate and be successful in a world where there is a lot of competition. If a gambling casino is found to be dishonest, I am afraid gamblers will leave the casino forever, and it's hard to regain the trust of the casino.

And TRUST is very important in casinos because gamblers won't stay and never use their platform or site if they know there is inconsistency and cheating, they going to leave and spread those things to others. So, if I am running a business like this why should I have to do that which in fact, we know that I was still profiting without cheating? I should care more about reputation and let trust built because it returns back good to us as well in the future.

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Quote from: Silberman on April 08, 2023, 12:35:03 AM

Quote from: Casdinyard on April 07, 2023, 01:44:24 PM

Exactly. No matter how big or small the money in the casino owner's pocket is, if they plan to cheat and take advantage of the customers they have, they'll do it regardless of the status and the reputation of their casino. Although of course, it still is a good rule of thumb to only choose casinos with a large treasury for other reasons such as fast and safe withdrawal and such. But I digress, there are very little chances of Casinos, especially ones that are reputable enough to garner a wider range of audience to cheat on their players. That's just a recipe for failure in my opinion and would equate to them losing their playerbase when found that they are indeed committing these crimes.

There is not much of a reason for a casino to do this, even if a casino owner thinks they can away with cheating their customers, someone will find out this information and then everything they have worked so hard for will disappear, as gamblers will immediately think that if a casino owner is willing to cheat them in this way then they will think about the many different ways in which the casino can cheat them and then never play there ever again.

for a casino that starts from scratch until it becomes popular and reputable, they will think long term if they want to deceive their customers. because casino owners know that establishing a casino and gaining the trust and good reputation of customers is very difficult and not easy to get and if they are caught cheating their customers, they will certainly lose their reputation.
from other things, casinos that already know their own struggles when starting a casino from small to large, they will never have to cheat their customers. because they know that cheating a customer with only a small amount but losing their reputation is very bad.

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Quote from: Casdinyard on April 07, 2023, 01:44:24 PM

Exactly. No matter how big or small the money in the casino owner's pocket is, if they plan to cheat and take advantage of the customers they have, they'll do it regardless of the status and the reputation of their casino. Although of course, it still is a good rule of thumb to only choose casinos with a large treasury for other reasons such as fast and safe withdrawal and such. But I digress, there are very little chances of Casinos, especially ones that are reputable enough to garner a wider range of audience to cheat on their players. That's just a recipe for failure in my opinion and would equate to them losing their playerbase when found that they are indeed committing these crimes.

There is not much of a reason for a casino to do this, even if a casino owner thinks they can away with cheating their customers, someone will find out this information and then everything they have worked so hard for will disappear, as gamblers will immediately think that if a casino owner is willing to cheat them in this way then they will think about the many different ways in which the casino can cheat them and then never play there ever again.

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Quote from: wiss19 on April 08, 2023, 12:05:22 AM

Quote from: rodskee on April 06, 2023, 10:08:31 PM

Not sure if they are legit or truly giving it away but the problem is that they are gathering players from this style and yes there are almost every gambling site gives this kind of information and luring.
how I wonder that would be the actual reaction of each players that they think being fooled on that way, because for me there are no assurance if this is right and true.
so don't fall into promises instead make sure you are dealing with honest site and not just to lure and run .

Every business uses some marketing technique to attract customers, it can involve bonuses, giveaways, trials, and the list goes on. Now, the customer that joins that business needs to make sure that they get what they were promised before joining, and if they get that, they wouldn't have any issues whether the company or the project is paying others or not.

I think casinos with a good reputation don't really have anything to prove since everyone knows that they do pay the bonuses, etc. that they promise but the platforms that are relatively new in the market are probably questioned for not being honest enough with their customers.

Well, i can only say one thing here. With dishonesty, the casino may gain few gamblers but in the long term they will lose the players and their business cannot survive and grow
On the other hand, if the casino is honest, the gamblers will be retained, they won't look for a new better casino and hence it will be good for the long term business.

Now it's up to the casinos how they want to operate and be successful in a world where there is a lot of competition. If a gambling casino is found to be dishonest, I am afraid gamblers will leave the casino forever, and it's hard to regain the trust of the casino.

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Quote from: rodskee on April 06, 2023, 10:08:31 PM

Not sure if they are legit or truly giving it away but the problem is that they are gathering players from this style and yes there are almost every gambling site gives this kind of information and luring.
how I wonder that would be the actual reaction of each players that they think being fooled on that way, because for me there are no assurance if this is right and true.
so don't fall into promises instead make sure you are dealing with honest site and not just to lure and run .

Every business uses some marketing technique to attract customers, it can involve bonuses, giveaways, trials, and the list goes on. Now, the customer that joins that business needs to make sure that they get what they were promised before joining, and if they get that, they wouldn't have any issues whether the company or the project is paying others or not.

I think casinos with a good reputation don't really have anything to prove since everyone knows that they do pay the bonuses, etc. that they promise but the platforms that are relatively new in the market are probably questioned for not being honest enough with their customers.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on April 05, 2023, 05:13:50 PM

Hmm, I think you guys are taking the drop features on casinos too far, one thing I believe is that the drop which happens in casinos chat box was never designed to be something really important, or a kind of giveaway that should really matter, drops are designed as a way of rewarding users who spend their time on the casinos chat box helping other and probably sharing ideas on what to bet and game to play, it is also a way of encouraging other users to become and stay active in the chat too.

It seems there is a misunderstanding here! OP is not talking about drops a.k.a chat rains which gives cents to those who are active on the chat box. He is talking about lotteries and free raffles where the winners get thousands of dollars. Such contests need to be transparent and the casino have to make it in a way that all the participants can verify the fairness of the results.
This is why I said it's better if a well known streamer hosts the event or simply use a pf system.

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Quote from: Obari on April 07, 2023, 03:51:15 PM

Is there any list of people to be considered when a bonus is given out ?

The answer to that questions yes, casinos may set aside a special bonus for some set of players on their site just as we have rank and the percentage payment as in form of rake back which are paid according to the VIP ranks and other membership rank on the casino, because you don't expect a casino to offer the same bonus to a newcomer and still give same to an already loyal high rank players, there must be separation in the bonus amount for both.

Quote from: Obari on April 07, 2023, 03:51:15 PM

I don't think a casino will have to cheat their players over bonuses and if from your illustration,if the casino wants to give out prizes to over five hundred persons, there is no need to over exaggerate on the number of persons to be given the award because I think and at some point believe that casinos wouldn't want to risk their reputation over bonuses and promotions which aren't even mandatory.
I wouldn't say the casinos are cheating us because you need to think of how much money those casinos make from players and gamblers a day and that is why they have to spend so much on marketing and promotions to gain more visibility and players.

The only way to prove that the casino actually gives out the promised bonus is to take part in as many bonuses as possible and follow up on all the development through their channels to know if the bonus is truly distributed, but the question for ops is that will he also account for those number of bonus that is not also claimed because we may have some cases that the casino will announce an amount of bonus but there won't be enough subscribers to claim them until the bonus time will expire.

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Quote from: Wiwo on April 07, 2023, 05:28:09 AM

I don't know casinos are viewed as a bad actor in the cryptocurrency market but for the fact that gambling have helped to solve so many mental stress issues and other work related symptom it quite unfair to refer to casino as questionable business not doubting the fact that there are also several negative implication in gambling such as gambling addictions.

There are some high profile religius leader that preach against gambling, whether with crypto or without it, they say it is haram which means it is forbiden for the youth to endulge in the activity; Gambling has also help some people kill time and also fun, put the money picture and you will find out that so many lives has been lost as a result of gambling, all human on earth don't have the brain to accept loss when it occur to them.

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So if we must discuss reputation, because even though the house system is designed to favour the house edges, and players only when there is high luck, but then players are still patronising most new and old casino won't means the reward.

The devil you know is better than the angel that will deceive you, some people stick to one particular gambling for some reasons but all gamblers don't joke with security, anything that will affect their balance, they don't joke with and other minor features and that is why I think gamblers stick to one casino.

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Is there any list of people to be considered when a bonus is given out ?
I don't think a casino will have to cheat their players over bonuses and if from your illustration,if the casino wants to give out prizes to over five hundred persons, there is no need to over exaggerate on the number of persons to be given the award because I think and at some point believe that casinos wouldn't want to risk their reputation over bonuses and promotions which aren't event mandatory.
I wouldn't say the casinos are cheating us because you need to think of how much money those casinos make from plyers and gamblers a day and that is why they have to spend so much on marketing and promotions to gain more visibility and players.

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And even you approach and ask them how the procedure went, it's unlikely they'll answer it. Well, if I'm a winner, I won't be interested anymore to know how I've won with such.

Although some sort of verification needed to be done by them in able to verify and confirm that the winners deserve it. It's a lot of work if the winners numbers are a lot, coming from hundreds to thousands.

That's a lot of time needed for them check each of them and somehow it's a thought that counts for someone like OP. But as the majority wouldn't think of it especially if they're picked and part of the list.

If you are a winner then you wouldnt really be raising up some questions because who would be the one to raise up such concern when you are included with those selection? You are just finding
yourself into some possible argumentation which would be ending up on voiding your win and would choose up for another winning.This is why it would really just that normal that you wouldnt
be raising up questions but for those people who hadnt been chosen then that people are the ones who would be raising up questions in regarding with the results which is something
not that shocking.

No one I guess will argue to the casino if ever he's found the winner and if I am a winner, no more talks and will just be patiently wait for the prize to be received.

But one thing is for sure, we'll never know information like this and they'll keep it sensitive and hidden because that might be their unspoken rule that no one should know who are the actual winners.

And it's up to those who haven't won if they'll believe the set of winners or not as there's nothing can be done by any single individual whether he's a winner or not or just a speculator.

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Believe me, the casino license is much less important thing than the reputation, because the license is needed only because it is a requirement of the regulators, like KYC and AML.

But the reputation is earned over the years and is the best indicator of a casino in relation to customers, and in absolutely all plans.

Many gamblers do not care whether a casino has a license, but the reputation is not.

Being a licensed casino is part of the trust protocol. These licenses guarantee the user the ability to file a lawsuit in the event of any unexpected problems with the platform. Almost all trusted platforms are licensed platforms, and these licenses make it easier for the user to know the party they are dealing with, because I imagine that unlicensed casinos often operate anonymously.
Personally, I always prefer apps and solutions that guarantee privacy, but with casinos and centralized platforms in general, it is better that they are licensed. I think a large percentage share the same opinion with me.

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Quote from: ajochems on April 07, 2023, 03:03:55 AM

Most of the casino works with big money, So they won’t scam for the little money. Which you mean as the bonus to the participants, the bonus is nothing to the trusted gambling or casino. If you want to check to find the bonus program of certain website, you should apply for it. Then check whether they paying you the bonus or not. The good gambling site ready to pay you even 1000 dollars as a bonus for the big deposit. Bonus program is used by the website to get attractions among gamblers, I don’t think they will scam on such program.

Its not about a casino having big money or not, it's a matter of whom they were, you can imagine if the accumulation of thousands and millions of people were being denied access to their deposit from a casino, each having little or more money on their casino wallet, this will definitely sum up to a very huge amount of money, therefore you need to research well on a casino before choosing them in other for them not to cart away your money over night among others.

Exactly. No matter how big or small the money in the casino owner's pocket is, if they plan to cheat and take advantage of the customers they have, they'll do it regardless of the status and the reputation of their casino. Although of course, it still is a good rule of thumb to only choose casinos with a large treasury for other reasons such as fast and safe withdrawal and such. But I digress, there are very little chances of Casinos, especially ones that are reputable enough to garner a wider range of audience to cheat on their players. That's just a recipe for failure in my opinion and would equate to them losing their playerbase when found that they are indeed committing these crimes.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on April 07, 2023, 12:13:05 PM

Some casinos work by cheating small money so it's still money for the casino. They will not hesitate to take it from gamblers by beating them in gambling games. We often hear that many people have experienced defeat at gambling and even though they took promotions and got bonuses, many gamblers have lost. So if the casino is a scam, the casino will use all means to take the customer's money and even if the customer complains about the problem to the support service, it will not be resolved properly.

The thing is....
They'll get to incentivise a little cash into anyone that gets registered; more like a jetpack or a starter pack.... That ofcourse will entice any regular gambler ASAP.
Now, on the other way round, they'll also devise a means to 'em back; via loses and unduly overcharge or combo minus, depending on what the case might be. It's a give and take process yunno...

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Quote from: ajochems on April 07, 2023, 03:03:55 AM

Most of the casino works with big money, So they won’t scam for the little money. Which you mean as the bonus to the participants, the bonus is nothing to the trusted gambling or casino. If you want to check to find the bonus program of certain website, you should apply for it. Then check whether they paying you the bonus or not. The good gambling site ready to pay you even 1000 dollars as a bonus for the big deposit. Bonus program is used by the website to get attractions among gamblers, I don’t think they will scam on such program.

Some casinos work by cheating small money so it's still money for the casino. They will not hesitate to take it from gamblers by beating them in gambling games. We often hear that many people have experienced defeat at gambling and even though they took promotions and got bonuses, many gamblers have lost. So if the casino is a scam, the casino will use all means to take the customer's money and even if the customer complains about the problem to the support service, it will not be resolved properly.

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Quote from: ajochems on April 07, 2023, 03:03:55 AM

Most of the casino works with big money, So they won’t scam for the little money. Which you mean as the bonus to the participants, the bonus is nothing to the trusted gambling or casino. If you want to check to find the bonus program of certain website, you should apply for it. Then check whether they paying you the bonus or not. The good gambling site ready to pay you even 1000 dollars as a bonus for the big deposit. Bonus program is used by the website to get attractions among gamblers, I don’t think they will scam on such program.

Its not about a casino having big money or not, it's a matter of whom they were, you can imagine if the accumulation of thousands and millions of people were being denied access to their deposit from a casino, each having little or more money on their casino wallet, this will definitely sum up to a very huge amount of money, therefore you need to research well on a casino before choosing them in other for them not to cart away your money over night among others.

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I think that this is a pretty straightforwardd answer. And whatever answer any users gives is based off of
- if they had read the terms and conditions of the casino offering such bonus
-if they understood the terms and conditions
- if they had read reviews of the casino online before joining in any promotion.

I personally do not believe that a drop is for 2500 people will reach them all. There is no way. That is just a promotional strategy to drive more traffic to their sites. Secondly there are fake reviews and there are real reviews, so you must develop an eye for spotting the difference. Lastly, honesty and transparency in online casinos from the standpoint of the client are subject, it depends on the user's experience and other factors.

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They cannot publicly display the list of who is getting how much bonus or drops, as this will lead to the violation of the user’s privacy policy. Moreover why are you caring for other people? If you are getting your rewards as promised, then definitely others might be getting the same also. Regarding the honesty, then your only concern should be how fair the games are that you are playing. You can easily verify the seeds of the game and can easily conclude that whether the casino is honest and transparent or not. Hope this clears some of your doubts OP.

We cannot expect 100% transparency from them because it will also put their business at risk knowing a lot would be eyeing to them especially that there is tight competition in the market. So as much as they want to be honest and transparent to you, just think that they are also doing it to other players. No need to publicly display those who have received their bonuses, after all you will see series of complaints if there are those who have been lied about their promised bonuses or rewards.

Funnily enough, they have one of the simplest business models on the planet. Build some games that can take in money, build enough security around them in many forms to keep the funds safe, hire a customer service team and then try to acquire as many new customers (including via special promotions) because each new one will generally be handing you free money because they don't understand the odds involved. Sportbooks get slightly more complicated as you need to do a lot of data crunching and analysis, even if outsourced, in order to be able to offer competitive odds and also make sure that you're not getting tricked in all sorts of different ways like match fixing.

Might sound easy as a business owner or something that do talks about the business model on how its been done but getting your first customer would be the toughest challenge of all and just able to sustain and make them stay would really be that not that simple. Of course they would really be making themselves as legit and reputable and could be trusted which they would really be doing things on what should really be done.
Transparency is what most gamblers do really love want to see but we know that everything couldnt really be just be showed because technical aspects arent something that could be anytime be understandable
by most gamblers. As long you are dealing with the right and popular ones then consider that they are running some fair business.

Nabbing that first client can feel like seeking a needle in an ocean of hay, especially in the early stages. Fear not! Once you've snagged them, ensure they're as content as a pampered feline. You don't want them scampering off to scratch another's sofa!

Transparency is crucial; be candid with your clientele. Yes, technicalities can get convoluted, but it's possible to elucidate matters so even a spud comprehends. Make it easy-peasy, clarifying potential gains and losses. And for that extra sparkle, sprinkle in delightful kitty clips for entertainment!

Bear in mind, being genuine and esteemed is vital for drawing and retaining patrons. Don't morph into a swindling feline snatching their cash. Be the hip cat offering a just and enjoyable experience for all. Purr!

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Quote from: molsewid on April 07, 2023, 08:26:56 AM

Quote from: ajochems on April 07, 2023, 03:03:55 AM

Most of the casino works with big money, So they won’t scam for the little money. Which you mean as the bonus to the participants, the bonus is nothing to the trusted gambling or casino. If you want to check to find the bonus program of certain website, you should apply for it. Then check whether they paying you the bonus or not. The good gambling site ready to pay you even 1000 dollars as a bonus for the big deposit. Bonus program is used by the website to get attractions among gamblers, I don’t think they will scam on such program.

Hmmm maybe it is still possible for a casino to say that they give this amount of drops in this xx people but then OP can try to check for the website traffic, I am not so sure but maybe semrush can help? it can help you to know how many visits per day does this website can have maybe with some deep searching he can also see if they sent a lot of email to the users? again only the traffic.

The promotion model (prize draw for limited number of users) at online platforms involving thousands or hundreds of thousands participants from different places in the world can't work in a 100% transparent format, because there will never be a certain way to make sure every winners are real legit players. I believe website traffic neither any other tools can help on this case. That is the kind of competition you have to trust a lot the house's legitimacy to participate.

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Quote from: ajochems on April 07, 2023, 03:03:55 AM

Most of the casino works with big money,So they won’t scam for the little money.Which you mean as the bonus to the participants,the bonus is nothing to the trusted gambling or casino.If you want to check to find the bonus program of certain website,you should apply for it.Then check whether they paying you the bonus or not.The good gambling site ready to pay you even 1000 dollars as a bonus for the big deposit.Bonus program is used by the website to get attractions among gamblers,I don’t think they will scam on such program.

No, friend..... we are talking about daily drops and a lot of them for 1000s of people. So, in the long run.. it adds up to a LOT of money in a year. Remember one thing.... if a casino are dishonest about one thing, then they might be dishonest with a lot of the other things they do too.

We are the watchdogs for many people who might want to gamble at Crypto casinos.. so we must get rid of the "bad" apples to convince potential gamblers that Crypto casinos are not scams. Tongue

No matter how much we try but in the end there will still be new casinos popping up who will try to lure users to deposit on their site and then scam them.
Taking out the bad apples will leave us with the good apples but the new ones won't be guaranteed to be good too.
All we can do is do our due diligence to research about the site before making any kind of deposits.

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