Topic: How honest and transparent are casinos? - page 6. (Read 1121 times)
There are many honest casinos that were in operation and gamblers enjoying every bit from their services, there's nothing to worry about whenever a gambler is at the right hand, but some casino operators themselves are nit too serious in what they do, they left many things undone for gamblers to find a means of trusting them, they also fail to build a secured network for their casino website, they offer little to maintain their casino running and expect many from it in return, in this case the gamblers suffers alot from such casinos and everything later turns scam about the casino.
I have seen several casinos with promotions where they do "drops" to thousands of people or they give bonuses to several gamblers, but how transparent is this process?
Do you think casinos are really doing these drops to 1000s of people or are they skimming from the top.... ? They might say a drop is for 2500 people, but they might only drop for 500 people and nobody will know. Yes, some of those 500 people will report that they have received the drop and it will look legit.... but is it really?
How can the gamblers verify that the actual amount of people are receiving the drop or the bonus, if there are no list to verify it? Let's discuss this.. I am curious if other people also thought about this...
Do you think casinos are really doing these drops to 1000s of people or are they skimming from the top.... ? They might say a drop is for 2500 people, but they might only drop for 500 people and nobody will know. Yes, some of those 500 people will report that they have received the drop and it will look legit.... but is it really?
How can the gamblers verify that the actual amount of people are receiving the drop or the bonus, if there are no list to verify it? Let's discuss this.. I am curious if other people also thought about this...
I think the casinos have ways they do detect multiple accounts and if they want to aidrop bonuses to the players, they will do so in order of deposits, withdrwals and more preferentila traetments to people that play with large amount of money or players that have much money they have use to play from their bet history.
Casinos that have KYC will find this very easy to do because when people register on casinos, they use male and female to identify gender, they also sometimes use age and also mobile numbers, they can also use the region to identify people. So, if they want to airdrop for people, they can choose regions and do it orderly and if it is a non Kyc casino, they can use ID number in for each player ascending or in descending order.
I have seen several casinos with promotions where they do "drops" to thousands of people or they give bonuses to several gamblers, but how transparent is this process?
Do you think casinos are really doing these drops to 1000s of people or are they skimming from the top.... ? They might say a drop is for 2500 people, but they might only drop for 500 people and nobody will know. Yes, some of those 500 people will report that they have received the drop and it will look legit.... but is it really?
How can the gamblers verify that the actual amount of people are receiving the drop or the bonus, if there are no list to verify it? Let's discuss this.. I am curious if other people also thought about this...
That's a valid point you have there. It's true that not all casinos are fully transparent or honest. Like most of the "new" casinos that pop up now and then, likely scam their users. And other casinos that has reputation for giving away lots of free bonus and drops, are most likely not transparent at all. I wouldn't say they are lying, but I can say for sure that they are actually giving away the drops. They could easily make a list and show the top users that will receive the drop, but they refuse to do so. Also, they can "exaggerate" the amount they are giving away, and no one will know how much they actually gave. But casinos with good reputation and well established in the community are unlikely to do false drops. Do you think casinos are really doing these drops to 1000s of people or are they skimming from the top.... ? They might say a drop is for 2500 people, but they might only drop for 500 people and nobody will know. Yes, some of those 500 people will report that they have received the drop and it will look legit.... but is it really?
How can the gamblers verify that the actual amount of people are receiving the drop or the bonus, if there are no list to verify it? Let's discuss this.. I am curious if other people also thought about this...
That is really the problem, but they always provide ID numbers or, like, names for those who have one as part of transparency, but others will just email them, which is the problem. How do we know if they really select 500 winners on it? Well, that's really on casinos, and let's just say that we've gotten lucky if we've been selected as winners. Trust is really what we are holding onto for this, as it is their event and we have nothing to do with it; we just participate in it to have a chance to win.
Sometimes I do question this too but it's a drop or what they call a "rain" so I doubt some gamblers will create a ruckus out of it. I even question those who receive the drop, maybe because I have not experienced it yet. Questions like, they may be part of the team or dummies of the team behind the company.
But as I said, I won't waste time questioning it because they are freebies. It's like a charity that cannot be questioned by the government.
Maybe if I receive it once, I will believe it. Regarding the number of the sent rain, now that's a more difficult question and we might never know unless someone who does it will come out and share the list.
But as I said, I won't waste time questioning it because they are freebies. It's like a charity that cannot be questioned by the government.
Maybe if I receive it once, I will believe it. Regarding the number of the sent rain, now that's a more difficult question and we might never know unless someone who does it will come out and share the list.
If a casino is transparent, it would have a strong and reliable community that can prove whether the result of real or not. I don't think casinos will provide transparency regarding the winners and it's very rare nowadays. However, I like the idea of having a trusted streamer who would do the draw live for transparency. Through it, gamblers could see transparency and legitimacy which can also increase the reputation rate of a casino.
They won't give that detail on how they have picked those winners and users eligible for the drops they will provide. Well, having it livestreamed will still create some doubts on users that won't be picked on those draws even it is for the sake of transparency and they might say that all are scripted and still not transparent.On this, whatever the casino chooses in their selection or gives the hint how they are picking and show how transparent they are, there will still be those that won't be satisfied with their methods.
They cannot publicly display the list of who is getting how much bonus or drops, as this will lead to the violation of the user’s privacy policy. Moreover why are you caring for other people? If you are getting your rewards as promised, then definitely others might be getting the same also. Regarding the honesty, then your only concern should be how fair the games are that you are playing. You can easily verify the seeds of the game and can easily conclude that whether the casino is honest and transparent or not. Hope this clears some of your doubts OP.
Though you are right that they cannot possibly publish a list with the actual winners of a giveaway or bonus drop, I don't find anything wrong in discussing how they do it or whether they can be transparent about it or not. I also agree that it shouldn't really be much of a concern for all the users if they got their drop, but those who didn't get anything will surely get this question in their mind whether they actually paid all the prizes or not.The fairness of the games is surely something gamblers should be more concerned about rather than the bonuses given out to a certain number of gamblers. If the casino is transparent about their games and gameplay, they must be trusted despite the fact that they aren't transparent with giveaways or bonuses.
They cannot publicly display the list of who is getting how much bonus or drops, as this will lead to the violation of the user’s privacy policy. Moreover why are you caring for other people? If you are getting your rewards as promised, then definitely others might be getting the same also. Regarding the honesty, then your only concern should be how fair the games are that you are playing. You can easily verify the seeds of the game and can easily conclude that whether the casino is honest and transparent or not. Hope this clears some of your doubts OP.
What violation of the user's privacy? The real identity of the users are not displayed, but simply their casino username.
That way, people can see if the correct amount of people are claiming these bonuses and that it is all "legit". So, caring for other users are wrong? I am also doing this for selfish reasons, because I also miss out on a lot of these drops that are gone in a few seconds. The question are... are they gone so fast, because a much smaller amount of drops are done... than were advertised or promoted?
They cannot publicly display the list of who is getting how much bonus or drops, as this will lead to the violation of the user’s privacy policy. Moreover why are you caring for other people? If you are getting your rewards as promised, then definitely others might be getting the same also. Regarding the honesty, then your only concern should be how fair the games are that you are playing. You can easily verify the seeds of the game and can easily conclude that whether the casino is honest and transparent or not. Hope this clears some of your doubts OP.
User's privacy policy? what about Freebitco.in where they mention the winner who get a Lambo? what about casino where they will give a list of top 10 highest wagering competition? what about casino ask you to tweet their post and mention your username you used in their casino to claim the giveaway? don't you think these aren't privacy matter?There's no mention if publicly display the list of winners is violating the user's privacy policy, it's different if the casino share your ID card to unknown user.
Well, the most important thing happens to be that you're also making your money and receiving it.
Their dropping is just an added bonus to encourage you to stay with them, if the casino isn't giving, would you stay because of the dropping???
Their dropping is just an added bonus to encourage you to stay with them, if the casino isn't giving, would you stay because of the dropping???
That is not the meaning behind this thread.... Yes, some people still get some FREE money, but the point is, so much more people should have received that money too. Let's say there are 20 000 people competing for 2500 drops..... and a casino says it is giving for 2500 people, but they are actually just giving it to 500 people, then 2000 people are not getting it. (What if you tried, but you are number 501... and you should have received it, but the casino are not honest and transparent)
This is also a break in the trust relationship between the casino and the gamblers, if they are doing that. It takes only one honest whistleblower to expose practices like this... or a skilled white hat hacker to show other gamblers what they are doing.
And while there is no way for us to corroborate the numbers are accurate, it would be easy for a disgruntled employee to expose them if this was the case, putting at risk a business worth millions over a few dollars.
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How can the gamblers verify that the actual amount of people are receiving the drop or the bonus, if there are no list to verify it?
This won't solve the problem because even if the casino publish the list of winners, there is no way to verify that those winners are real users and not just bots or fake usernames.To make it as transparent as possible, the casino can partner with a reputable streamer and ask him to draw the winners on a live stream or use a provably fair system like giving each user a ticket number and use the blockchain (transactions/blocks hashes) to determine the winners.
Taking the drop to YouTube or which ever platform the stream is to happen, will simply kill the purpose to which the drop was introduced in the first place.
How can the gamblers verify that the actual amount of people are receiving the drop or the bonus, if there are no list to verify it?
This won't solve the problem because even if the casino publish the list of winners, there is no way to verify that those winners are real users and not just bots or fake usernames.To make it as transparent as possible, the casino can partner with a reputable streamer and ask him to draw the winners on a live stream or use a provably fair system like giving each user a ticket number and use the blockchain (transactions/blocks hashes) to determine the winners.
when you do know that you are been deceived or believing into something which it isnt really just that fair at all but as i said earlier which there's no way to confirm up these things.
This is why it would be always suggestable that we should really be getting involved into those sites or places which does have the most recognition
or having that reputation.
If a casino is transparent, it would have a strong and reliable community that can prove whether the result of real or not. I don't think casinos will provide transparency regarding the winners and it's very rare nowadays. However, I like the idea of having a trusted streamer who would do the draw live for transparency. Through it, gamblers could see transparency and legitimacy which can also increase the reputation rate of a casino.
How can the gamblers verify that the actual amount of people are receiving the drop or the bonus, if there are no list to verify it?
This won't solve the problem because even if the casino publish the list of winners, there is no way to verify that those winners are real users and not just bots or fake usernames.To make it as transparent as possible, the casino can partner with a reputable streamer and ask him to draw the winners on a live stream or use a provably fair system like giving each user a ticket number and use the blockchain (transactions/blocks hashes) to determine the winners.
when you do know that you are been deceived or believing into something which it isnt really just that fair at all but as i said earlier which there's no way to confirm up these things.
This is why it would be always suggestable that we should really be getting involved into those sites or places which does have that most recognition
or having that reputation.
How can the gamblers verify that the actual amount of people are receiving the drop or the bonus, if there are no list to verify it?
This won't solve the problem because even if the casino publish the list of winners, there is no way to verify that those winners are real users and not just bots or fake usernames.To make it as transparent as possible, the casino can partner with a reputable streamer and ask him to draw the winners on a live stream or use a provably fair system like giving each user a ticket number and use the blockchain (transactions/blocks hashes) to determine the winners.
If a casino is doing such trick by giving away fake numbers then sooner or later they will get caught in some way...
casinos that do this will never be found out, that's because reliable casino employees never tell that casino X or Z promoted bonuses for 1000 people and only gave bonuses for 500 people, I don't know what criteria casinos use to hire their employees, but the fact is that the employees who know everything about the casino never open their mouths to speak ill of the casino and expose everything they know about the casino, so far this system has worked well, that's why we will never know if the casinos always tell the truth or not
Those bonuses sometimes have their requirements before the players redeem those rewards, and we know how the gambling industry works, there's a winner and there's a loser thats all, in terms of marketing strategy of promoting there are a lot of different ways today so the player will not comply with those rewards requirements will not a receive a reward to become fair for the players who really commit in the game. Those are just a small portion of their marketing strategy to gain more players, gambling casino has tons of budget just to keep their platform growing.
But there's no way to know right? then how you can know if the casino engage in such activities? it's different if the casino announce the winner in twitter giveaway and when you dig the winners accounts, you don't find if the accounts were fulfill the requirement in order to be eligible.
An internal giveaway make you have no way to check it, what you can do is accept and think the casino already being honest.
Gamblers will never be able to find out what the casino is doing and whether this activity is really happening because there is no door for gamblers to go deeper to see all about casino activity unless gamblers can hack into the casino system, it might be easy for them to find out.An internal giveaway make you have no way to check it, what you can do is accept and think the casino already being honest.
After all, casinos will always keep a tight lid on what they are actually doing because if an error occurs it can damage the trust of gamblers and damage the reputation of a casino.
Every giveaway that is carried out by the casino, no one can know whether the winner actually meets the requirements or not because only the casino itself knows everything that has determined the conditions of the giveaway.
We don't even know who actually won the giveaway because every detailed information from customers will be kept and kept secret by the casino.
They cannot publicly display the list of who is getting how much bonus or drops, as this will lead to the violation of the user’s privacy policy. Moreover why are you caring for other people? If you are getting your rewards as promised, then definitely others might be getting the same also. Regarding the honesty, then your only concern should be how fair the games are that you are playing. You can easily verify the seeds of the game and can easily conclude that whether the casino is honest and transparent or not. Hope this clears some of your doubts OP.
Great points especially about the privacy policy of the users as well as the casino policy about their marketing strategy.
If I have to guess, OP is referring to the bonus drop in Stake telegram group and maybe he failed so many times to claim the bonus code because he is too late.
Perhaps because of this, he started to think that the given amount is not the same as what is announced.
As most stake's players know, most of their bonus codes is fully claimed within minutes (even less than a minute most of the time).
Does it have to be transparent?
The casinos decide what to do with their own money and who to give bonuses to. They want to make more money, who are we to judge them?
The gambling businesses aren't charity foundations, after all. They don't have any social and moral obligations(sad, but true).
I'm pretty sure the casinos will give "drops" and bonuses to the most hardcore gamblers, in order to keep them spending money on the casino.
There's no point giving away money and bonuses to new players, who might play once or twice and leave the casino after a while.
I agreed with you but they have to fulfill their promises of the total amount of drops and the bonuses. That is a faithful service to humanity, which sees from the spiritual aspect of life. No casino is 100% truthful, as the op said, a casino might promised to give a bonus of 2500 gamblers probably with $300 each, as davis196 also made it clear, we not to judge them, the money and the number of people will be determined by the company whom to give. And if all the 2500 what to take the drop them they must be active gamblers in the site and not passive gamblers in the casino site. The total number of people that received the drop or the bonus would not be known because we don't know how many active gamblers are there in the site. The casinos decide what to do with their own money and who to give bonuses to. They want to make more money, who are we to judge them?
The gambling businesses aren't charity foundations, after all. They don't have any social and moral obligations(sad, but true).I'm pretty sure the casinos will give "drops" and bonuses to the most hardcore gamblers, in order to keep them spending money on the casino.
There's no point giving away money and bonuses to new players, who might play once or twice and leave the casino after a while.
The truth is we can't really find out if the site is actually giving away the drops or not.
Some do post the draws which can be verified but most of the times its just out in the thin air.
Trusted and reputed sites don't cheat their users usually because one mistake can decline their user base by a huge margin.
This is why they tend to do genuine promotions only which in turn increases their user base.
It's just not possible to have assurance the process is legit, because even if the casino is transparent by showing the users' profiles who won the prize, we will never be able to make sure if those are real accounts, or accounts created by the casino itself to fake a promotion. All we have in our favour is the casino's credibility with the community and it's our decision to trust them or not.Some do post the draws which can be verified but most of the times its just out in the thin air.
Trusted and reputed sites don't cheat their users usually because one mistake can decline their user base by a huge margin.
This is why they tend to do genuine promotions only which in turn increases their user base.
That is why I prefer promotions which reward everyone who join it by completing a requirement, instead of joining promotions which will select only few participants to be the winners.
But even if you complete a requirement then there's no assurance that the promotion is legit or not.
As you said, it's just on the community whether to trust the site or not.
This is why there are only very few sites which have gained the trust of community.
So whichever promotions they launch would turn out to be genuine.
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