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Not easy to figure out how many users are able to claim such codes shared on the social media but time limit can be used to track when the bonus drop availability ends. Some big platforms put wager requirements for claiming code drops so it is not as easy as it sounds to get all data who claimed it. If you have doubts specific casino cheats on the numbers, you may ask from support to prove marketing trick has not been used to convince users, IMHO.

Even if you ask their support, for sure they can manipulate the data as long as they benefited on this.
There’s no way to know this one, and better to ignore this instead of focusing on a things that we cannot control. Maybe there’s limit for every promotions or none at all, once you are able to claim the reward then your concern should be answered, many site will not ruin their reputation by just having this promotions being manipulated, let’s give the benefit of the doubt to the top sites.

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Quote from: Jating on April 06, 2023, 04:34:28 PM

So for me there's no way to confirmed it.

And even you approach and ask them how the procedure went, it's unlikely they'll answer it. Well, if I'm a winner, I won't be interested anymore to know how I've won with such.

Although some sort of verification needed to be done by them in able to verify and confirm that the winners deserve it. It's a lot of work if the winners numbers are a lot, coming from hundreds to thousands.

That's a lot of time needed for them check each of them and somehow it's a thought that counts for someone like OP. But as the majority wouldn't think of it especially if they're picked and part of the list.

If you are a winner then you wouldnt really be raising up some questions because who would be the one to raise up such concern when you are included with those selection? You are just finding
yourself into some possible argumentation which would be ending up on voiding your win and would choose up for another winning.This is why it would really just that normal that you wouldnt
be raising up questions but for those people who hadnt been chosen then that people are the ones who would be raising up questions in regarding with the results which is something
not that shocking.

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Quote from: Jating on April 06, 2023, 04:34:28 PM

So for me there's no way to confirmed it.

And even you approach and ask them how the procedure went, it's unlikely they'll answer it. Well, if I'm a winner, I won't be interested anymore to know how I've won with such.

Although some sort of verification needed to be done by them in able to verify and confirm that the winners deserve it. It's a lot of work if the winners numbers are a lot, coming from hundreds to thousands.

That's a lot of time needed for them check each of them and somehow it's a thought that counts for someone like OP. But as the majority wouldn't think of it especially if they're picked and part of the list.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on April 03, 2023, 12:54:38 AM

I have seen several casinos with promotions where they do "drops" to thousands of people or they give bonuses to several gamblers, but how transparent is this process?

Do you think casinos are really doing these drops to 1000s of people or are they skimming from the top.... ? They might say a drop is for 2500 people, but they might only drop for 500 people and nobody will know. Yes, some of those 500 people will report that they have received the drop and it will look legit.... but is it really?

How can the gamblers verify that the actual amount of people are receiving the drop or the bonus, if there are no list to verify it? Let's discuss this.. I am curious if other people also thought about this... Tongue

We will never know, just like when others accused casinos of cheating them and that the casino's are not fair. Not unless they will have to show us the name of the gamblers that have received the drop and they themselves confirmed it. But as gamblers in crypto, we wanted to remain as private and anonymous so I doubt that casinos will give us the names or the gamblers confirming that they've got the drop.

So for me there's no way to confirmed it.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on April 06, 2023, 06:03:15 AM

That is really the problem, but they always provide ID numbers or, like, names for those who have one as part of transparency, but others will just email them, which is the problem. How do we know if they really select 500 winners on it? Well, that's really on casinos, and let's just say that we've gotten lucky if we've been selected as winners. Trust is really what we are holding onto for this, as it is their event and we have nothing to do with it; we just participate in it to have a chance to win.

We can't determine whether they telling or exposing the real list or number of users won , but since it's just their giveaways or free program we will just need to consider ourselves lucky if we are included in those who won. They are not required to provide list as they are not required to create giveaways or programs but they have to just to attract more users. If they're already a trusted casino and also have a built reputation that users come and play in them, having giveaways will just be an addition but not will matter whether they are telling truth in their giveaways winner as long as they providing good services in their players when it comes in support, in their deposits and having attractive games.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on April 06, 2023, 05:21:12 AM

Sometimes I do question this too but it's a drop or what they call a "rain" so I doubt some gamblers will create a ruckus out of it. I even question those who receive the drop, maybe because I have not experienced it yet. Questions like, they may be part of the team or dummies of the team behind the company.
But as I said, I won't waste time questioning it because they are freebies. It's like a charity that cannot be questioned by the government.
Maybe if I receive it once, I will believe it. Regarding the number of the sent rain, now that's a more difficult question and we might never know unless someone who does it will come out and share the list.

This rain that you are talking about in crypto gambling, I also experienced it once, I just can't remember the name of the casino. It's like faucets or giveaways during that time they gave something every 30 mins at those times.

But, in order for you to qualify for these drops, you must first be able to enter money into their gambling platform, and in fairness, it was pretty good by that time, but now it seems that these features have been removed from crypto gambling as I just noticed.

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Quote from: Nrcewker on April 05, 2023, 08:03:20 AM

They cannot publicly display the list of who is getting how much bonus or drops, as this will lead to the violation of the user’s privacy policy. Moreover why are you caring for other people? If you are getting your rewards as promised, then definitely others might be getting the same also. Regarding the honesty, then your only concern should be how fair the games are that you are playing. You can easily verify the seeds of the game and can easily conclude that whether the casino is honest and transparent or not. Hope this clears some of your doubts OP.

We cannot expect 100% transparency from them because it will also put their business at risk knowing a lot would be eyeing to them especially that there is tight competition in the market. So as much as they want to be honest and transparent to you, just think that they are also doing it to other players. No need to publicly display those who have received their bonuses, after all you will see series of complaints if there are those who have been lied about their promised bonuses or rewards.

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No one can tell how honest and transparent they are.
But the truth is that I don't expect them to be 100% honest or transparent because it's gambling.
The casinos make their decisions and award bonuses to whom they want to.
Bonuses aside the welcome bonuses, I feel are mainly given to the core gamblers who are part of a loyalty scheme, those who the casino sees to be spending more money and time on casino games not just a random gamblers.
I think that casinos are honest and transparent but to some extents.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on April 03, 2023, 12:54:38 AM

How can the gamblers verify that the actual amount of people are receiving the drop or the bonus, if there are no list to verify it?

This won't solve the problem because even if the casino publish the list of winners, there is no way to verify that those winners are real users and not just bots or fake usernames.
To make it as transparent as possible, the casino can partner with a reputable streamer and ask him to draw the winners on a live stream or use a provably fair system like giving each user a ticket number and use the blockchain (transactions/blocks hashes) to determine the winners.

There's no way of verifying those players whether those are legit or not, thing here is that they do really give that fair service to those who do gamble out.Somehow it do really sucks
when you do know that you are been deceived or believing into something which it isnt really just that fair at all but as i said earlier which there's no way to confirm up these things.
This is why it would be always suggestable that we should really be getting involved into those sites or places which does have the most recognition
or having that reputation.

If a casino is transparent, it would have a strong and reliable community that can prove whether the result of real or not. I don't think casinos will provide transparency regarding the winners and it's very rare nowadays. However, I like the idea of having a trusted streamer who would do the draw live for transparency. Through it, gamblers could see transparency and legitimacy which can also increase the reputation rate of a casino.

For those promotional things then it would be normal nor not really be that shocking that they would be showing off winners out of those spinning tables or would be done via random selector or something like that.
There would be always those people who do really have doubts when it comes to full transparency on which a gambling site could give out because no one really knows on whats happening behind when it comes on
choosing up the winners or something like that.Good thing that we could always be able to see when it comes to popularity where people would be having their the same impressions which they do
end up on a site where they would really be hanging out.

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Quote from: coolcoinz on April 06, 2023, 02:59:16 PM

Quote from: nimogsm on April 06, 2023, 09:11:14 AM

This is a good question. I believe in the results of the draws if I see the list of participants and winners and when the players themselves can confirm their victory.For me, the indicator of honesty and transparency in the prize draw is video proof through a random org or using a service similar to this.Well,a complete list of participants is a prerequisite.

Lying doesn't get you anywhere. If they lie and somebody finds out by tracing their addresses they're going to get huge backlash. Similar things were done before especially with charity scams where people claimed that if you buy something the profits will go to charity and they were really sending 10% to charity and keeping the rest.
FTX was donating to both republicans and democrats and it was traced. I've also read that Binance was sending money to Russia during the war, don't know how much of it is true but there are people actively tracing coins as we speak so lying about it can bite you back sooner or later.

You are absolutely right, this is true. Most charitable foundations keep a part of the funds for operating expenses, I think this is not a big secret and in most countries charitable foundations are not taxed at all and this is just a paradise for scammers to launder their funds. Almost every rich and a public person has his own charitable foundation, and I'm sure that not just like that, but in order to hide part of his funds.

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Quote from: nimogsm on April 06, 2023, 09:11:14 AM

This is a good question. I believe in the results of the draws if I see the list of participants and winners and when the players themselves can confirm their victory.For me, the indicator of honesty and transparency in the prize draw is video proof through a random org or using a service similar to this.Well,a complete list of participants is a prerequisite.

Lying doesn't get you anywhere. If they lie and somebody finds out by tracing their addresses they're going to get huge backlash. Similar things were done before especially with charity scams where people claimed that if you buy something the profits will go to charity and they were really sending 10% to charity and keeping the rest.
FTX was donating to both republicans and democrats and it was traced. I've also read that Binance was sending money to Russia during the war, don't know how much of it is true but there are people actively tracing coins as we speak so lying about it can bite you back sooner or later.

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Quote from: coupable on April 06, 2023, 02:36:08 PM

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Believe me, the casino license is much less important thing than the reputation, because the license is needed only because it is a requirement of the regulators, like KYC and AML.

But the reputation is earned over the years and is the best indicator of a casino in relation to customers, and in absolutely all plans.

Many gamblers do not care whether a casino has a license, but the reputation is not.

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Trust remains the most important thing that connects casinos to users. And casinos strive to build that confidence by achieving several goals that are the criteria for any user to choose from. With thousands of casinos available, it can be difficult to ensure that your well-being and pockets are safeguarded.
To determine whether a casino is reliable or not, most important points that can be focused on to choose a reliable casino is that it is a licensed casino because it is very dangerous to use an unlicensed casino. Also, the payment system should be effective on the casino, allowing for smooth withdrawal and deposit transactions. There is another point that is no less important regarding bonus campaigns, which is that this bonus is achievable.

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Quote from: Casdinyard on April 06, 2023, 01:54:08 PM

the thing iis, in this industry you have to assume that every Casino is being true to you and are not messing with your wins or whatnot. i get it, losing a ton of games is not going to he the best feeling especially if it's something you hold on to. The thing with casinos is that they are always out to get you whether they are being genuine or are really tweaking your games. So by that logic alone uou could safely assume that that the legality of a casino does not matter as long as they can cater to customers. Altogether if you think uou're being taken advantaged/scammed by the casino, it's a telltale sign that the gambling site you're in is disingenious.

Yeah, personal, I feel that if we all were to start accessing casinos on the account of knowing whether they are cheating on gamblers or not, it is possible that we all might end up Not gambling, or end up having issues with casinos because every loss might be likened to cheat.
Best thing is to choose a casino one trust and continue to trust that they are genuine in all their dealings, this will help us to gamble with peace of mind, knowing that when we gamble and lose, it's not because the casino is cheating us, but because we are just simply out of luck at that time or day.

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Quote from: Cantsay on April 03, 2023, 03:49:18 AM

Even if they decide to publish a list for everyone to see how would you confirm that the list was not made up?
The whole casino business works on trust the same we the bank work, everyone just hopes that they won't try to scam us (at least the ones that have a high reputation, not those new scam casinos everywhere ).
And since we are dealing with the finance of other people it won't be reasonable to expose that to the public, having to complete KYC was a bit of a hassle for some people not to imagine sharing their balance in a casino with the. Public.

Maybe they can provide the link of those users for us to check and their accounts must be public for us to see their activities. By there we can decide if they are a real user and not bots or just created by the owner. If the gambling site has a chabtbox and a forum and we hang out on them often, we will also be familiar with the users on their site.

I am not really a fan of bonuses or giveaways who are based on a pool because I also thought that there might be manipulations happening around. Who invented this anyway? I hope gambling companies stop using this and just give the reward the other way. I am fine with giving a bonus based on VIP level.

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the thing iis, in this industry you have to assume that every Casino is being true to you and are not messing with your wins or whatnot. i get it, losing a ton of games is not going to he the best feeling especially if it's something you hold on to. The thing with casinos is that they are always out to get you whether they are being genuine or are really tweaking your games. So by that logic alone uou could safely assume that that the legality of a casino does not matter as long as they can cater to customers. Altogether if you think uou're being taken advantaged/scammed by the casino, it's a telltale sign that the gambling site you're in is disingenious.

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Quote from: darewaller on April 06, 2023, 11:15:25 AM

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Quote from: Nrcewker on April 05, 2023, 08:03:20 AM

They cannot publicly display the list of who is getting how much bonus or drops, as this will lead to the violation of the user’s privacy policy. Moreover why are you caring for other people? If you are getting your rewards as promised, then definitely others might be getting the same also. Regarding the honesty, then your only concern should be how fair the games are that you are playing. You can easily verify the seeds of the game and can easily conclude that whether the casino is honest and transparent or not. Hope this clears some of your doubts OP.

What violation of the user's privacy? The real identity of the users are not displayed, but simply their casino username. Roll Eyes

That way, people can see if the correct amount of people are claiming these bonuses and that it is all "legit".

So, caring for other users are wrong? I am also doing this for selfish reasons, because I also miss out on a lot of these drops that are gone in a few seconds. The question are... are they gone so fast, because a much smaller amount of drops are done... than were advertised or promoted?

If they display those usernames, there will still be doubts and what if most of those accounts are only owned by the same gambler? It is possible if the site don't have a KYC. We must not put all the blame to the casino owners on why the bonus is decreasing but some unfair gamblers are also responsible for this.

On some casinos, they have added requirements to be able to claim a bonus drop like a user needs to wager 3k USD. They can also add a captcha to make sure that only a real person is claiming those bonuses. If a casino is known to be trusted, I think what they are saying are true but if you can't believe them then better not waste time and money. There are still lots of fishes in the sea.

True, this goes back to our trust in the casinos that we visit and play there. If we believe in them, I'm sure there's no doubt for us to suspect the casino, but if we don't really believe, then we will correct even the slightest mistake that is not to our liking to get something we want. In this case I am pretty sure that the casino will pay the bills for what they have started, moreover it is a reputable casino that has a high level of trust. They definitely don't want their good image to be tarnished with the meager money they promised. Also keep in mind, they have a greater income than that.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on April 06, 2023, 12:36:58 AM

Quote from: Nrcewker on April 05, 2023, 08:03:20 AM

They cannot publicly display the list of who is getting how much bonus or drops, as this will lead to the violation of the user’s privacy policy. Moreover why are you caring for other people? If you are getting your rewards as promised, then definitely others might be getting the same also. Regarding the honesty, then your only concern should be how fair the games are that you are playing. You can easily verify the seeds of the game and can easily conclude that whether the casino is honest and transparent or not. Hope this clears some of your doubts OP.

What violation of the user's privacy? The real identity of the users are not displayed, but simply their casino username. Roll Eyes

That way, people can see if the correct amount of people are claiming these bonuses and that it is all "legit".

So, caring for other users are wrong? I am also doing this for selfish reasons, because I also miss out on a lot of these drops that are gone in a few seconds. The question are... are they gone so fast, because a much smaller amount of drops are done... than were advertised or promoted?

If they display those usernames, there will still be doubts and what if most of those accounts are only owned by the same gambler? It is possible if the site don't have a KYC. We must not put all the blame to the casino owners on why the bonus is decreasing but some unfair gamblers are also responsible for this.

On some casinos, they have added requirements to be able to claim a bonus drop like a user needs to wager 3k USD. They can also add a captcha to make sure that only a real person is claiming those bonuses. If a casino is known to be trusted, I think what they are saying are true but if you can't believe them then better not waste time and money. There are still lots of fishes in the sea.

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This is a good question. I believe in the results of the draws if I see the list of participants and winners and when the players themselves can confirm their victory.For me, the indicator of honesty and transparency in the prize draw is video proof through a random org or using a service similar to this.Well,a complete list of participants is a prerequisite.

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Quote from: Nrcewker on April 05, 2023, 08:03:20 AM

They cannot publicly display the list of who is getting how much bonus or drops, as this will lead to the violation of the user’s privacy policy. Moreover why are you caring for other people? If you are getting your rewards as promised, then definitely others might be getting the same also. Regarding the honesty, then your only concern should be how fair the games are that you are playing. You can easily verify the seeds of the game and can easily conclude that whether the casino is honest and transparent or not. Hope this clears some of your doubts OP.

Actually, there's no bearing with that in terms of privacy because the gambling casino only shows the information of the player is the username and not all of the information such as the submitted KYC if there's any, date of birth, and email address of the player unless those are includes in the rewards system too that they need to show their account details. Also, the casino must need to show their transparency to their players so theres no doubt of the players on their platform.

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