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November 24, 2013, 05:03:47 PM
#91
No argument from me on that. There are days I wish it would all collapse fast, and other days I hope it doesn't. I just keep preparing and trying to minimize the effect it will have, if it happens.

I think they can keep the dollar propped from a total collapse for a long time yet. Too much debt owed to too many countries for it to go away. China may be looking at an alternative, but it would be against their interest to let the dollar collapse.

Inflation will kill us, and we'll start using alternate currencies, and bartering for goods. They'll prop fiat up until after you need a wheelbarrow full to buy a loaf of bread.

You do know that the long term problem faced in the West is deflation don't you?  Inflation has been dead for over 30 years.

Well, if deflation is a general decline in prices, caused by a reduction in the supply of money or credit, I'm not so sure. I see rising prices on everything, not a decline in them. I see people locally getting raises, which leads me to believe money is more available, but worth less...and depending on type of credit, some is easy to obtain...including loans for land. At least here.

I don't consider myself a financial genius by any means, I just don't see a big fast collapse of the dollar...too many forces at work.

I'm always open to hear other views, and learn new things though.

Fair points.

Inflation is a narrow measurement of price increases of a basket of specific goods.  Its low or non-existent in the Western economies.  It doesn't include house prices, rent or share prices so its fair to say that some things are getting much more expensive.  The theoretical reason deflation is a problem is that there is a global gut of savings - some inflation might force people to spend the savings and thus get the economy moving.
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November 24, 2013, 04:48:10 PM
#90
I think they can keep the dollar propped from a total collapse for a long time yet. Too much debt owed to too many countries for it to go away. China may be looking at an alternative, but it would be against their interest to let the dollar collapse.

Inflation will kill us, and we'll start using alternate currencies, and bartering for goods. They'll prop fiat up until after you need a wheelbarrow full to buy a loaf of bread.

You do know that the long term problem faced in the West is deflation don't you?  Inflation has been dead for over 30 years.

Well, if deflation is a general decline in prices, caused by a reduction in the supply of money or credit, I'm not so sure. I see rising prices on everything, not a decline in them. I see people locally getting raises, which leads me to believe money is more available, but worth less...and depending on type of credit, some is easy to obtain...including loans for land. At least here.

I don't consider myself a financial genius by any means, I just don't see a big fast collapse of the dollar...too many forces at work.

I'm always open to hear other views, and learn new things though.

Fair points.

Inflation is a narrow measurement of price increases of a basket of specific goods.  Its low or non-existent in the Western economies.  It doesn't include house prices, rent or share prices so its fair to say that some things are getting much more expensive.  The theoretical reason deflation is a problem is that there is a global gut of savings - some inflation might force people to spend the savings and thus get the economy moving.
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November 24, 2013, 04:44:55 PM
#89
How is earth unsanitary, please enlighten me.  If I recall correctly, man made items are the cause of this modern problem of cancer.

Have you ever heard about worms, microbes and other evil creatures that live in soil and carry or cause various diseases? Grin
This modern problem of cancer? Are you kidding? Grin

Cancer has been known since ancient times... Cool
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November 24, 2013, 04:41:06 PM
#88
Kitchenware?  That's a cup.  No electric wires?  They're in the wall.  Electric stove tops cost $100.  Water supply?  Called a well.

I would personally prefer people poop away from my house anyways.  But the great thing is, if you want people pooping in your house, you can build a bathroom inside, because you sorta build it yourself.

So the only thing which justifies this house as "back to earth" is its earth walls, right? Grin

What are these "earth" walls made from actually? Some type of concrete or plain old clay? Cool
Whatever it might be, wooden logs are much better, their only drawback being combustibility... Sad

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November 24, 2013, 03:58:57 PM
#87
No electricity, no gas supply, no hot and cold water, no toilet... Actually, not very far from a dugout, provided the walls are made from earth. It may look pleasing to the eye, but I don't think this hovel makes a decent, safe and sanitary dwelling... Cool

A hippie retreat! Grin
I'm quite sure that house has all of the above, except maybe gas, but why do you need gas?

It is much more safe than the houses we live in today, it is more resistant to high winds, tornadoes and earthquakes.  It is better for your health too, better than humans breathing in the byproducts of air conditioners and heating elements daily.

I strongly doubt about that. I see no electric wires but I see kitchenware outdoors, so I guess the food is cooked over a campfire. Without electricity you might use gas for cooking, so no gas either. Central water supply is probably also absent, so no toilet (perhaps an outhouse somewhere around). Earth walls are just plain insanitary, next to nothing beside log walls... Cool
Kitchenware?  That's a cup.  No electric wires?  They're in the wall.  Electric stove tops cost $100.  Water supply?  Called a well.

I would personally prefer people poop away from my house anyways.  But the great thing is, if you want people pooping in your house, you can build a bathroom inside, because you sorta build it yourself.

How is earth unsanitary, please enlighten me.  If I recall correctly, man made items are the cause of this modern problem of cancer.
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November 24, 2013, 03:50:52 PM
#86
No electricity, no gas supply, no hot and cold water, no toilet... Actually, not very far from a dugout, provided the walls are made from earth. It may look pleasing to the eye, but I don't think this hovel makes a decent, safe and sanitary dwelling... Cool

A hippie retreat! Grin
I'm quite sure that house has all of the above, except maybe gas, but why do you need gas?

It is much more safe than the houses we live in today, it is more resistant to high winds, tornadoes and earthquakes.  It is better for your health too, better than humans breathing in the byproducts of air conditioners and heating elements daily.

I strongly doubt about that. I see no electric wires but I see kitchenware outdoors, so I guess the food is cooked over a campfire. Without electricity you might use gas for cooking, so no gas either. Central water supply is probably also absent (iron trough outside), so no toilet (perhaps an outhouse somewhere around). Earth walls are just plain insanitary, next to nothing beside log walls... Cool

In any case if it has all of the above how would you call that "back to earth"? Grin
legendary
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November 24, 2013, 03:33:49 PM
#85
Simply move out of the city and build one of these.



Do you consider this a dugout?

No electricity, no gas supply, no hot and cold water, no toilet... Actually, not very far from a dugout, provided the walls are made from earth. It may look pleasing to the eye, but I don't think this hovel makes a decent, safe and sanitary dwelling... Cool

A hippie retreat! Grin
I'm quite sure that house has all of the above, except maybe gas, but why do you need gas?

It is much more safe than the houses we live in today, it is more resistant to high winds, tornadoes and earthquakes.  It is better for your health too, better than humans breathing in the byproducts of air conditioners and heating elements daily.

It is also less expensive and you can build your house exactly how you want it.
uk1
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November 24, 2013, 03:07:22 PM
#84
5 years max
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November 24, 2013, 03:06:25 PM
#83
I think they can keep the dollar propped from a total collapse for a long time yet. Too much debt owed to too many countries for it to go away. China may be looking at an alternative, but it would be against their interest to let the dollar collapse.

Inflation will kill us, and we'll start using alternate currencies, and bartering for goods. They'll prop fiat up until after you need a wheelbarrow full to buy a loaf of bread.

You do know that the long term problem faced in the West is deflation don't you?  Inflation has been dead for over 30 years.

Well, if deflation is a general decline in prices, caused by a reduction in the supply of money or credit, I'm not so sure. I see rising prices on everything, not a decline in them. I see people locally getting raises, which leads me to believe money is more available, but worth less...and depending on type of credit, some is easy to obtain...including loans for land. At least here.

I don't consider myself a financial genius by any means, I just don't see a big fast collapse of the dollar...too many forces at work.

I'm always open to hear other views, and learn new things though.
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November 24, 2013, 03:03:29 PM
#82
Simply move out of the city and build one of these.



Do you consider this a dugout?

No electricity, no gas supply, no hot and cold water, no toilet... Actually, not very far from a dugout, provided the walls are made from earth. It may look pleasing to the eye, but I don't think this hovel makes a decent, safe and sanitary dwelling... Cool

A hippie retreat! Grin
legendary
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November 24, 2013, 02:51:25 PM
#81
I think they can keep the dollar propped from a total collapse for a long time yet. Too much debt owed to too many countries for it to go away. China may be looking at an alternative, but it would be against their interest to let the dollar collapse.

Inflation will kill us, and we'll start using alternate currencies, and bartering for goods. They'll prop fiat up until after you need a wheelbarrow full to buy a loaf of bread.

You do know that the long term problem faced in the West is deflation don't you?  Inflation has been dead for over 30 years.
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November 24, 2013, 02:35:36 PM
#80
I think they can keep the dollar propped from a total collapse for a long time yet. Too much debt owed to too many countries for it to go away. China may be looking at an alternative, but it would be against their interest to let the dollar collapse.

Inflation will kill us, and we'll start using alternate currencies, and bartering for goods. They'll prop fiat up until after you need a wheelbarrow full to buy a loaf of bread.
legendary
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You cannot kill love
November 24, 2013, 02:30:50 PM
#79
Simply move out of the city and build one of these.



Do you consider this a dugout?
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November 24, 2013, 02:04:54 PM
#78
So now you suggest we should all come back to caves, eat raw meat (if ever), wear raw hides and die at the age of 25 from smallpox and malaria (if not eaten by some predator even before that)? You may choose as you like personally, but I doubt it strongly that the total majority of humans would love to follow your steps... Grin
No, I'm proposing we create natural homes out of the earth, eat food grown locally and naturally and that we all evolve consciously so we don't have to die.

It's all within our reach, we just have to work as one.

Instead of caves you propose to dig dugouts? I'd rather go with caves, given these only options... Grin
What are going to do with the population of big cities, subject them to liquidation with subsequent total annihilation of the cities? Cool
legendary
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November 24, 2013, 12:27:46 PM
#77
Because we made our self dependent.  Sickness wouldn't be a problem if people didn't live in industrialized housing whilst eating mass chemically produced food.

So now you suggest we should all come back to caves, eat raw meat (if ever), wear raw hides and die at the age of 25 from smallpox and malaria (if not eaten by some predator even before that)? You may choose as you like personally, but I doubt it strongly that the total majority of humans would love to follow your steps... Grin
No, I'm proposing we create natural homes out of the earth, eat food grown locally and naturally and that we all evolve consciously so we don't have to die.

It's all within our reach, we just have to work as one.
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November 24, 2013, 11:39:57 AM
#76
End of USD will be when bosses from shadows (NWO gang) that control FED says so.
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November 24, 2013, 05:05:32 AM
#75
Because we made our self dependent.  Sickness wouldn't be a problem if people didn't live in industrialized housing whilst eating mass chemically produced food.

So now you suggest we should all come back to caves, eat raw meat (if ever), wear raw hides and die at the age of 25 from smallpox and malaria (if not eaten by some predator even before that)? You may choose as you like personally, but I doubt it strongly that the total majority of humans would love to follow your steps... Grin
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November 24, 2013, 01:01:50 AM
#74
But isnt it the dollar thats holding up the BTC? Last year,1 BTC was worth almost nothing compared to what it is now. No one seriously took notice of either the BTC,let alone alt currencies.
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November 24, 2013, 12:55:11 AM
#73
How long till the end of the USDollar? Nobody can know the answer, only TIME can tell. I think its better to ask if which currency will survive, BTC or USD?
legendary
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November 23, 2013, 05:21:24 PM
#72
Because we made our self dependent.  Sickness wouldn't be a problem if people didn't live in industrialized housing whilst eating mass chemically produced food.
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