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Navigating through articles online got me attracted to a catchy caption yet disturbing (the link posted below).
I am  a stern believer that gambling. Which I believe that lottery is, is purely a game of luck rather than skills or expertise.
How this managed to happen repeatedly for 14 times means it's not just luck, something else must have happened.

https://www.unilad.com/news/mathematician-won-lottery-14-times-317063-20231230


Leave your opinion if you think it's 100% luck to be  winner or there is a particular skill needed.

Well in the end he went bankrupt and in fact, filed for bankruptcy in 1995 his method cannot be duplicated anymore because the US authorities and other lotto authorities worldwide have banned his method, and the lottery industry made sure that the Mandel method cannot be implemented, it becomes possible because he has investors and they are well organized to make sure that they bet all the possible combinations that will come out.
It's impossible to implement that method now because it will trigger an alarm when one individual or organization is attempting to buy all the combinations in the lottery.
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Speaking about possibility or rather probability, there is a chance that it is possible only the chances are very slim to the extent that it can even be regarded as impossible or even 'insignificantly possible'. This partly due to the fact than lotteries are more of luck than math and even those who use math still have to be of good experience.

However if we take the math for example, assuming both winning and Lossing to both have a 0.5 (1/2) chance, to make 14 consecutive wins would amount to a probability of (0.5)¹⁴ or (1/2)¹⁴. In decimal, this is so small it can even be seen as insignificant.
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Riggedddd. RIGGEEEDDD. At least in this current era. Did a bit of searching and it seem slike it's a really old event? Back when rules still had loopholes that people can take advantage of, which this guy did imo. He basically set up a few rules that the lottery had to fall under and he played his tickets based on that (not to mention that you can print your own damn ticket back then which makes things a LOT easier). Not to mention that he spent quite a LOT of money to buy tickets since it'd probably fall under millions to take into account every possible winning combination. Seems like he even took in investors for this scheme. I'd say skill, but really, it's more like bruteforcing than anything else.
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If only by mathematical calculations someone can win the lottery 14 times in a row, that means that the average person who is smart in mathematics can do that, but in reality until now I have rarely heard of people who are smart in mathematics winning the lottery. So I think he's smart in math and it has nothing to do with his win, he's just trying to find an alibi for his win by saying that "I'm good at math", when what actually happened was that he found a loophole in a lottery game and took advantage of it along with his syndicate.
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Navigating through articles online got me attracted to a catchy caption yet disturbing (the link posted below).
I am  a stern believer that gambling. Which I believe that lottery is, is purely a game of luck rather than skills or expertise.
How this managed to happen repeatedly for 14 times means it's not just luck, something else must have happened.

https://www.unilad.com/news/mathematician-won-lottery-14-times-317063-20231230


Leave your opinion if you think it's 100% luck to be  winner or there is a particular skill needed.

Lol, but if you read the link you posted,

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Mandel would later declare bankruptcy in 1995, before spending the next decade running various investment schemes.

So even if he as won 14x in a supposedly lottery, then why the guy declared backruptcy?

Most likely there's more into the story and I don't think that he beat the system. He also bet with some investors money but obviously the return is not good. And I can't find that he won first place 14 times, he could have won 2nd, 3rd prizes and and it could add to the money that the group won.
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I think this might just be just nonsense, as some friends here have said, after all it is impossible for someone to win consecutively or it could be that he is possibly collaborating with someone inside who was involved in his win or indeed he bought a lot of lottery tickets with a high chance of winning. for him to win continuously from the lottery, even in fact no one wins more than once in the lottery game.

Unless there really is luck in someone who has that lottery ticket, even if someone wins more than once, it could be that they have a lot of lottery tickets with a high chance of winning or they are collaborating with the organizers to cheat, but it doesn't seem to make sense to use Mathematical calculations can get a lottery win with 14 wins. to be honest that sounds like bullshit too.  Grin
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It's lottery, something that should find you luckily on it's own, it's not something someone should have in their head all the time, life doesn't work this way, it's a shame that people have their heads wrapped in such superstition, I know, people do win the lottery, but that's out of millions, and no! I don't want to get this in my head, it's not safe.

Whatever calculations you may have, I have no interest in trying to win the lottery, the luck of winning lottery is even more harder than gambling on a casino, and you believe you have a math calculation that could solve it? Good luck with that, even if you do, why are you sharing though? If it works you should be a multi millionaire by now.

Don't claim something do works when you haven't use it to change your own life, or have you? If yes is the answer let's see what you have down with the money, and also a prove that you do win the lottery using your math.
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Navigating through articles online got me attracted to a catchy caption yet disturbing (the link posted below).
I am  a stern believer that gambling. Which I believe that lottery is, is purely a game of luck rather than skills or expertise.
How this managed to happen repeatedly for 14 times means it's not just luck, something else must have happened.

https://www.unilad.com/news/mathematician-won-lottery-14-times-317063-20231230


Leave your opinion if you think it's 100% luck to be  winner or there is a particular skill needed.
I don't love clicking links, but I think the guy is full of shit. There is no way to be that lucky unless it's rigged IMO.
Am with you on this because the chances of possibilities is so slim that I would call whatever that occured a well plan event between someone on the inside or rigged somehow because there's no way that someone would win 14 at different times not talk of winning it on a row. This story is just too bogus for me to believe.
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I don't on that story, so in my opinion it is not possible to win the lottery 14 times using the mathematic calculations unless make cheats. I will say that the person saying lie and he did get get of cheating rather than I dono't  think that it is possible to win using the mathematical calculations. Gambling is all about ot luck
Math genius should be a billionaire by now if they really have the solutions to solve this and hit the jackpot.
Though we already have the numbers on how many combinations in lottery, but when it comes to calculations, I guess we are still far from this and the system of lottery still works so we might not see the 14 times of winning by just using mathematics, I can't imagine how corrupt the system is if this happens.
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Leave your opinion if you think it's 100% luck to be  winner or there is a particular skill needed.
It would be a misconception to say that gambling is 100% reliant on luck, luck is only an expression and we can't possibly rely on it alone. You first know what you want to gamble on and give some effort/skills to gamble for it to work for you before you even talk about luck. There must be an effort to build gambling skills as you might call it and put the skills into action when you gamble, not that you just do anyhow without any knowledge of what you are doing and expect luck to help you. It doesn't work like that.

In reality, Lotto is one of the plays in casinos that needs a whole lot of skills, I mean mathematical skills and not luck. This depends on the kind of Lotto we are as well. Specifically about the one I witnessed in my country that people play most, there are calculations to how people derive their outcomes, and people often get this only through the calculations. They would use some past results to analyze and forecast what would happen in the future. Guess what, it works for them. I have seen numerous cashouts through this approach.

Can we call this only the function of luck? I guess not.
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These days I'd think that any lottery pretty much anywhere would have worked out its house edge and odds so that it can not be gamed so easily.
Gaming a lottery isn't hard in theory. If they have set their odds wrong, with a standard or increasing reward regardless of participation.
In practice it wouldn't be so easy though. Because you'd have to get some insider info and also avoid limits. So for example you'd have to have people running at stores buying close to the maximum amount of tickets with cash... Risky business. And also the insider info bit is risky as well, lotteries usually don't announce how many tickets were bought until after the draw. So whoever utilizes this info to target specific draws last minute is more likely to get caught and jinx this.

Maybe somewhere around the world there is such an odds mismatch at a lottery, but given how hard it would be to organize the on the ground operations and how risky it would be, maybe that's why we don't see so much of that these days. Because also lotteries have gotten bigger and more expensive due to inflation, so it'd also require much more money to game the system.

On the other hand, I think today's version of exploiting gambling odds is promotions.
Many people often don't realize that if you combine certain games with promotional money, it becomes very likely to cash out decent amounts.
And in turn, since most people also lose all of their promotional money really fast, providers don't notice so easily. If you're fast and good with math you can actually win with promos sometimes. But still most providers are becoming aware of this and setting ridiculus wagering requirements so only a lucky zero point something percent of those taking in promo money can end up withdrawing any.

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Some bets that can use mathematical calculations to predict will indeed increase the chances of winning, but this is not guaranteed because it only increases the chances, lottery is one of the bets that can use mathematics to predict.
In the article link that you convey, this actually doesn't make sense because the lottery is bet that will really have an influence on winning, even though skills and mathematical calculation formulas will help, luck is still very influential.
Winning 14 times in row seems like an extraordinary win and it is very rare for gamblers to get that luck, this is the first time I have heard of it because from what I know, winning 3 times is the most.

There are many lottery betting fans that I know and they have used various methods or strategies to get numbers that can bring luck to win, but they certainly won't believe that someone has won the lottery 14 times in row.
No matter how good gambler is at mathematics, it is impossible for them to always get numbers that can win 14 times in row.
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Navigating through articles online got me attracted to a catchy caption yet disturbing (the link posted below).
I am  a stern believer that gambling. Which I believe that lottery is, is purely a game of luck rather than skills or expertise.
How this managed to happen repeatedly for 14 times means it's not just luck, something else must have happened.

https://www.unilad.com/news/mathematician-won-lottery-14-times-317063-20231230


Leave your opinion if you think it's 100% luck to be  winner or there is a particular skill needed.

How could it be possible to do mathematics on lottery while there's a lot of numbers involve with that? Maybe that particular winner is just extremely lucky and just connect all of those winning encounter on his mathematical calculation but pretty sure that it doesn't have any sense to point out about on his calculation. There's a lot of people which is good in math but they are not lucky enough to win on lottery since all result is random. So for sure there's a lot of people will not agree if someone like him claims about winning base on mathematical calculation he will surely get out of luck in the long run with that.

I know there are people trying to find some working strategy on lottery since the jackpot prize there is so huge but they can't really have accurate calculation since there's a lot of numbers involve there.
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I don't on that story, so in my opinion it is not possible to win the lottery 14 times using the mathematic calculations unless make cheats. I will say that the person saying lie and he did get get of cheating rather than I dono't  think that it is possible to win using the mathematical calculations. Gambling is all about ot luck
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I think the guy is not saying all the facts that transpires, and this sounds like a cook-up story and should be discarded.

The first question that comes to mind is, what is the possibility of using a mathematical calculator to calculate and pick the right lucky tickets for 14 consecutive times?
Even the best mathematicians can not win a lottery like this. They can not win more while gambling.

Secondly, if it happens how can we be sure that the games are not ringed just as Yahoo said, it is impossible to have that result if the selection process is not rigged, so much is not clear with the whole thing and for that, we will treat this as some form of entertainment since it can't happen in reality as per se.
It can be a lie. If it is not a lie, the games were rigged. If not rigged, it is not possible but a lie.
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Don't overreact guys, read the article first. Although the article was published recently but this happened way back, probably the system was too sophisticated that time that him being good in math had taken advantage on it.

Read some details from the article.

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Targeting a lottery in the state of Virginia in the United States, Mandel estimated that they had 7,059,052 to choose from, due to state rules about picking six numbers between one and 44.

Apparently these were pretty good odds.

Virginia also allows players to print their tickets at home, rather than purchasing them from a cashier.

With thirty computers on hand, Mandel and his team printed out every ticket imaginable.

It was in February 1992 that Mandel and his team scooped $900,000 in additional prizes for the tickets that placed second, third, fourth and so on.

This was in addition to the $27 million jackpot prize, of course.
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Navigating through articles online got me attracted to a catchy caption yet disturbing (the link posted below).
I am  a stern believer that gambling. Which I believe that lottery is, is purely a game of luck rather than skills or expertise.
How this managed to happen repeatedly for 14 times means it's not just luck, something else must have happened.

https://www.unilad.com/news/mathematician-won-lottery-14-times-317063-20231230


Leave your opinion if you think it's 100% luck to be  winner or there is a particular skill needed.
I think the guy is not saying all the facts that transpires, and this sounds like a cook-up story and should be discarded.

The first question that comes to mind is, what is the possibility of using a mathematical calculator to calculate and pick the right lucky tickets for 14 consecutive times?

Secondly, if it happens how can we be sure that the games are not ringed just as Yahoo said, it is impossible to have that result if the selection process is not rigged, so much is not clear with the whole thing and for that, we will treat this as some form of entertainment since it can't happen in reality as per se.
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Unless the system is rigged or lottery officials are mixed with this individual it is not possible to win 14 times. I am not a person who buys a lottery ticket as there are other games where luck can shine more than a lottery. I know it is very rare that a person buying the ticket won't have a chance in a lifetime to win it. Only 1 in a million would ever get the chance to win a lottery in a lifetime. I do not think this post is suitable for being on the gambling board, it should be in the gambling discussion board.    
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Possibly just a lottery with rules that can be gamed or be used on the bettor's favor. Also, you got to have a boatload of money in order to do betting in volumes that will print out all the possible combinations for the draw. I know that this can be done with mathematics, but even then you will have to spend or 'invest' a lot of money before hitting the jackpot.

I remember that movie from Bryan Cranston about the lottery in Massachusetts wherein they buy thousands of tickets every week in order to get the highest payout. It could be a similar lottery with the same rules but I'm not entirely sure. Winning twice or thrice in a row is possible, but 14 times? That's something else. That man might even survive a lot of assassination attempts even when he's standing still if he's that lucky.
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I don't love clicking links, but I think the guy is full of shit. There is no way to be that lucky unless it's rigged IMO.
I saw that two or three days ago but I did not bother to bring it to the forum for discussion because I know that it is like I am bringing nonsense. It has no sense to me because I just do not want to believe that. Winning  lottery 14 times is just not possible. The chance that something like that can happen is very small. Less than 1%.
It's possible if it's a rigged lottery, but true as far as nonsense. We see lots of nonsense topics like this pop up, some are interesting, but most aren't. They need to be in the gambling discussion board though at a minimum.
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