How Satoshi Nakamoto Fooled the World - page 28.

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Quote from: Western_Boris on March 30, 2022, 03:04:38 AM

Quote from: Snowshow on March 30, 2022, 02:50:02 AM

But hey, you're free to pay money because a system of an anonymous guy is performing math operations.

Yeah, I do like it that my money is based on math.

Well you can play semantics all you like, but you have no money. What you have is a number attached to your address, which resulted from math operations. The Satoshi's system is like a calculator. It doesn't create money but numbers. But hey, you are free to play with a calculator and fantasize that you're creating money. Children do that all the time. It's fun.

Quote from: slackovic on March 30, 2022, 03:11:44 AM

Quote from: Snowshow on March 30, 2022, 02:34:20 AM

The real problem is your inability to comprehend these words of mine: "... There are also no combinations of ones and zeros that would form digital products called bitcoins because no address holder is capable to show such products. All they are able to show are digital numbers...."

As you can see, I am not talking about metal in this part of my response. I am not sure whether this is your inability to comprehend or you are deliberately twisting my words.

No, no... You literally said that there is no Bitcoin because coins are made of metal and Bitcoin is not made of metal. Here, I'll quote it and make it bold for you:

Quote from: Snowshow on March 29, 2022, 05:44:42 AM

Like I have said. You have a very twisted way of thinking. This response proved that also. Ones and zeros in a specific combination form computer programs. The same as ones and zeros attached to the addresses in the Satoshi's system form digital numbers. But there are no combinations of ones and zeros that would form a coin called bitcoin because coins are made of metal. There are also no combinations of ones and zeros that would form digital products called bitcoins because no address holder is capable to show such products. All they are able to show are digital numbers. So, your interpretation of my words is a twisted way of thinking.

Yes, coins are made up of metal the same as the Sun is made up of hydrogen, helium and other heavier elements. There's no such thing as "digital coin", the same as there's no such thing as digital Sun. I simply stated something that is factually correct. To this, I also added that no digital product called bitcoin exists, because the address holders can only show digital numbers. This is factually correct as well.

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Quote from: Snowshow on March 30, 2022, 02:34:20 AM

The real problem is your inability to comprehend these words of mine: "... There are also no combinations of ones and zeros that would form digital products called bitcoins because no address holder is capable to show such products. All they are able to show are digital numbers...."

As you can see, I am not talking about metal in this part of my response. I am not sure whether this is your inability to comprehend or you are deliberately twisting my words.

No, no... You literally said that there is no Bitcoin because coins are made of metal and Bitcoin is not made of metal. Here, I'll quote it and make it bold for you:

Quote from: Snowshow on March 29, 2022, 05:44:42 AM

Like I have said. You have a very twisted way of thinking. This response proved that also. Ones and zeros in a specific combination form computer programs. The same as ones and zeros attached to the addresses in the Satoshi's system form digital numbers. But there are no combinations of ones and zeros that would form a coin called bitcoin because coins are made of metal. There are also no combinations of ones and zeros that would form digital products called bitcoins because no address holder is capable to show such products. All they are able to show are digital numbers. So, your interpretation of my words is a twisted way of thinking.

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Quote from: Snowshow on March 30, 2022, 02:50:02 AM

But hey, you're free to pay money because a system of an anonymous guy is performing math operations.

Yeah, I do like it that my money is based on math.

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Quote from: Western_Boris on March 30, 2022, 02:43:26 AM

Quote from: Snowshow on March 30, 2022, 02:34:20 AM

The real problem is your inability to comprehend these words of mine: "... There are also no combinations of ones and zeros that would form digital products called bitcoins because no address holder is capable to show such products. All they are able to show are digital numbers...."

As you can see, I am not talking about metal in this part of my response. I am not sure whether this is your inability to comprehend or you are deliberately twisting my words.

Ok man, you won. Bitcoin does not exist.

We are still going to continue to use it though. You know, those numbers in the internet, called Bitcoins. The ones you hate that are called bitCOINS because they are not made of metal. Those Bitcoins that we can trust on how their "system" will operate by seeing the open source code which rules how Bitcoin works.

The company I work for is still going to continue accepting it as a payment in transactions. The Bitcoin ETFs are still going to continue operating on stock exchanges. And millions of people are still using it as an investment, store of value, daily currency and a savings account.

You are completely correct that it does not exist but we are still going to use it. How does that make you feel?
That people trust more the mathematics and logic they see on its source code than you, a random person in the internet? How does it make you feel? You know it does not exist. And still it spreads all over the world. How does it make you feel? Be honest.

That what you call using or buying and selling Bitcoin are actually math operations of adding and subtracting numbers to or from the numbers attached to the addresses. Nothing is used, bought or sold.

But hey, you're free to pay money because a system of an anonymous guy is performing math operations.

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Quote from: Snowshow on March 30, 2022, 02:34:20 AM

The real problem is your inability to comprehend these words of mine: "... There are also no combinations of ones and zeros that would form digital products called bitcoins because no address holder is capable to show such products. All they are able to show are digital numbers...."

As you can see, I am not talking about metal in this part of my response. I am not sure whether this is your inability to comprehend or you are deliberately twisting my words.

Ok man, you won. Bitcoin does not exist.

We are still going to continue to use it though. You know, those numbers in the internet, called Bitcoins. The ones you hate that are called bitCOINS because they are not made of metal. Those Bitcoins that we can trust on how their "system" will operate by seeing the open source code which rules how Bitcoin works.

The company I work for is still going to continue accepting it as a payment in transactions. The Bitcoin ETFs are still going to continue operating on stock exchanges. And millions of people are still using it as an investment, store of value, daily currency and a savings account.

You are completely correct that it does not exist but we are still going to use it. How does that make you feel?
That people trust more the mathematics and logic they see on its source code than you, a random person in the internet? How does it make you feel? You know it does not exist. And still it spreads all over the world. How does it make you feel? Be honest.

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Quote from: slackovic on March 30, 2022, 02:22:18 AM

Quote from: Snowshow on March 30, 2022, 02:09:43 AM

Ok, this discussion is getting nowhere. For that reason I decided to make a video for you guys. I will call it: "Bitcoin is a myth and not real." I will explain everything there. The video I attached in the OP is somehow misleading. When I created it I was thinking that bitcoin is a some kind of message. But throughout the discussion in this topic I realized that bitcoin actually doesn't exist. We can say that I was also the victim of this widespread false narrative on bitcoin's existence. So I will delete that video and make a new one. Probably over the weekend. Stay tuned.

I'm not sure if we all should admire your efforts to persuade us all that Bitcoin does not exist or should we pity you because you are not able to comprehend our reasons why Bitcoin is real even though you can't touch it and even though it's not made of metal.

The real problem is your inability to comprehend these words of mine: "... There are also no combinations of ones and zeros that would form digital products called bitcoins because no address holder is capable to show such products. All they are able to show are digital numbers...."

As you can see, I am not talking about metal in this part of my response. I am not sure whether this is your inability to comprehend or you are deliberately twisting my words.

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Quote from: Snowshow on March 30, 2022, 02:09:43 AM

Ok, this discussion is getting nowhere. For that reason I decided to make a video for you guys. I will call it: "Bitcoin is a myth and not real." I will explain everything there. The video I attached in the OP is somehow misleading. When I created it I was thinking that bitcoin is a some kind of message. But throughout the discussion in this topic I realized that bitcoin actually doesn't exist. We can say that I was also the victim of this widespread false narrative on bitcoin's existence. So I will delete that video and make a new one. Probably over the weekend. Stay tuned.

I'm not sure if we all should admire your efforts to persuade us all that Bitcoin does not exist or should we pity you because you are not able to comprehend our reasons why Bitcoin is real even though you can't touch it and even though it's not made of metal.

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Ok, this discussion is getting nowhere. For that reason I decided to make a video for you guys. I will call it: "Bitcoin is a myth and not real." I will explain everything there. The video I attached in the OP is somehow misleading. When I created it I was thinking that bitcoin is a some kind of message. But throughout the discussion in this topic I realized that bitcoin actually doesn't exist. We can say that I was also the victim of this widespread false narrative on bitcoin's existence. So I will delete that video and make a new one. Probably over the weekend. Stay tuned.

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Quote from: Snowshow on March 29, 2022, 05:44:42 AM

Like I have said. You have a very twisted way of thinking. This response proved that also. Ones and zeros in a specific combination form computer programs. The same as ones and zeros attached to the addresses in the Satoshi's system form digital numbers. But there are no combinations of ones and zeros that would form a coin called bitcoin because coins are made of metal. There are also no combinations of ones and zeros that would form digital products called bitcoins because no address holder is capable to show such products. All they are able to show are digital numbers. So, your interpretation of my words is a twisted way of thinking.

Are you serious??? After 15 pages of this thread you are saying that Bitcoin doesn't exist because coins are made of metal? Well... I really don't know what to say... Where does it say that Bitcoin is a coin made of metal? Or where does it say that a coin must be made of metal and it can not be digital?

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Quote from: Snowshow on March 29, 2022, 05:44:42 AM

Quote from: slackovic on March 29, 2022, 05:12:39 AM

Quote from: Snowshow on March 29, 2022, 04:52:06 AM

Everything digital is bunch of 1 and 0 located in a computer memory. But bitcoin is neither digital nor tangible given it's not real. So, just because bitcoin is not real that doesn't mean digital things don't exist. You have a very twisted way of thinking.

I (or should I say all of us here) have a very twisted way of thinking and your way of thinking is correct? That statement just speaks for itself...

So in another words, a computer program does not exist because the only thing that exist are ones and zeroes in a computer memory. Am I right?

Like I have said. You have a very twisted way of thinking. This response proved that also. Ones and zeros in a specific combination form computer programs. The same as ones and zeros attached to the addresses in the Satoshi's system form digital numbers. But there are no combinations of ones and zeros that would form a coin called bitcoin because coins are made of metal. There are also no combinations of ones and zeros that would form digital products called bitcoins because no address holder is capable to show such products. All they are able to show are digital numbers. So, your interpretation of my words is a twisted way of thinking.

That's just getting silly there. ... So, if I have it straight, like slackovic noticed, you say that digital items exist because they are made of 1's and 0's, but bitcoin doesn't exist because they are digital ??

That kind of logic is not going to fly with anyone that can comprehend sentences with more than 3 words.

So before, in this thread, the tactic was evasion and now we have moved onto Orwellian logic, you know the kind: "war is peace, freedom is slavery, and ignorance is strength".

I was going to add some more commentary here, but that would just add fuel to the fire.

Instead I'll recommend a good book on bitcoin:

"Mastering Bitcoin: Programming the Open Blockchain", second edition, by Andreas M. Antonopoulos.

This book contains a decent and thorough description of how bitcoin works. It would be good for you, for people, for newbies, that want to begin to understand the inner workings, "digital parts", of how bitcoin functions. This then provides some explanation for why it has spread so far, become so popular, and has a current value of $47,441.

For something that "does not exist", it seems to have an interesting value to many.

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Ok man, you won. Bitcoin does not exist.

We are still going to continue to use it though. You know, those numbers in the internet, called Bitcoins. The ones you hate that are called bitCOINS because they are not made of metal. Those Bitcoins that we can trust on how their "system" will operate by seeing the open source code which rules how Bitcoin works.

The company I work for is still going to continue accepting it as a payment in transactions. The Bitcoin ETFs are still going to continue operating on stock exchanges. And millions of people are still using it as an investment, store of value, daily currency and a savings account.

You are completely correct that it does not exist but we are still going to use it. How does that make you feel?
That people trust more the mathematics and logic they see on its source code than you, a random person in the internet? How does it make you feel? You know it does not exist. And still it spreads all over the world. How does it make you feel? Be honest.

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Quote from: slackovic on March 29, 2022, 05:12:39 AM

Quote from: Snowshow on March 29, 2022, 04:52:06 AM

Everything digital is bunch of 1 and 0 located in a computer memory. But bitcoin is neither digital nor tangible given it's not real. So, just because bitcoin is not real that doesn't mean digital things don't exist. You have a very twisted way of thinking.

I (or should I say all of us here) have a very twisted way of thinking and your way of thinking is correct? That statement just speaks for itself...

So in another words, a computer program does not exist because the only thing that exist are ones and zeroes in a computer memory. Am I right?

Like I have said. You have a very twisted way of thinking. This response proved that also. Ones and zeros in a specific combination form computer programs. The same as ones and zeros attached to the addresses in the Satoshi's system form digital numbers. But there are no combinations of ones and zeros that would form a coin called bitcoin because coins are made of metal. There are also no combinations of ones and zeros that would form digital products called bitcoins because no address holder is capable to show such products. All they are able to show are digital numbers. So, your interpretation of my words is a twisted way of thinking.

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Quote from: Snowshow on March 29, 2022, 04:52:06 AM

Everything digital is bunch of 1 and 0 located in a computer memory. But bitcoin is neither digital nor tangible given it's not real. So, just because bitcoin is not real that doesn't mean digital things don't exist. You have a very twisted way of thinking.

I (or should I say all of us here) have a very twisted way of thinking and your way of thinking is correct? That statement just speaks for itself...

So in another words, a computer program does not exist because the only thing that exist are ones and zeroes in a computer memory. Am I right?

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Quote from: slackovic on March 29, 2022, 03:54:18 AM

Quote from: Snowshow on March 28, 2022, 12:47:48 PM

Quote from: slackovic on March 28, 2022, 05:29:27 AM

Just like that, Bitcoin exists as a digital currency that can be minted under a specific rules and that gives it a value. And just like time and a computer program, it doesn't have to be in a physical form. Why do you insist that it has to be in a physical form? Where did you get that info from?

Now try to prove yor claim. Where's that digital currency located?

It doesn't have to be located anywhere because it's digital? Where is a digital computer program located? Nowhere because it consists of bunch of 1 and 0 in a computer memory. Does that mean that a computer program does not exist because it is only manifested as ones and zeroes in a computer memory?

Quote from: Snowshow on March 28, 2022, 11:18:00 PM

Yes, computer programs are real. Although digital and intangible they are easily proven to exist. Bitcoin on the other hand is not real. Nobody who supposedly bought or sold, for example, 100 bitcoins got some coins or digital products or transferred them to someone. Only a number 100 was added or subtracted from a number previously attached to their address. You all blindly believed an anonymous guy when he wrote in his paper that some coins or transactions exist in his system. While all his system does is cryptographic management of numbers. There are no coins or transactions in his system. Only mathematical operations with numbers whose results are stored by the network of nodes. What is fascinating, unbelievable and bizarre is that you people insult someone who is presenting you pure facts. And on the other hand, keep blindly believing an anonymous guy hwo wrote a paper full of flaws.

Oh, please prove me that Mozilla Firefox exist. And don't tell me that it's not a topic of this discussion. It is because I wanna know what kind of proof will you accept.

Everything digital is bunch of 1 and 0 located in a computer memory. But bitcoin is neither digital nor tangible given it's not real. So, just because bitcoin is not real that doesn't mean digital things don't exist. You have a very twisted way of thinking.

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Quote from: Snowshow on March 28, 2022, 12:47:48 PM

Quote from: slackovic on March 28, 2022, 05:29:27 AM

Just like that, Bitcoin exists as a digital currency that can be minted under a specific rules and that gives it a value. And just like time and a computer program, it doesn't have to be in a physical form. Why do you insist that it has to be in a physical form? Where did you get that info from?

Now try to prove yor claim. Where's that digital currency located?

It doesn't have to be located anywhere because it's digital? Where is a digital computer program located? Nowhere because it consists of bunch of 1 and 0 in a computer memory. Does that mean that a computer program does not exist because it is only manifested as ones and zeroes in a computer memory?

Quote from: Snowshow on March 28, 2022, 11:18:00 PM

Yes, computer programs are real. Although digital and intangible they are easily proven to exist. Bitcoin on the other hand is not real. Nobody who supposedly bought or sold, for example, 100 bitcoins got some coins or digital products or transferred them to someone. Only a number 100 was added or subtracted from a number previously attached to their address. You all blindly believed an anonymous guy when he wrote in his paper that some coins or transactions exist in his system. While all his system does is cryptographic management of numbers. There are no coins or transactions in his system. Only mathematical operations with numbers whose results are stored by the network of nodes. What is fascinating, unbelievable and bizarre is that you people insult someone who is presenting you pure facts. And on the other hand, keep blindly believing an anonymous guy hwo wrote a paper full of flaws.

Oh, please prove me that Mozilla Firefox exist. And don't tell me that it's not a topic of this discussion. It is because I wanna know what kind of proof will you accept.

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As more companies in today’s world have started accepting bitcoin for payments, I believe it's high time that more and more people should start using it for safe and secure payments.

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Quote from: Western_Boris on March 28, 2022, 05:21:37 PM

Showshow already proved he does not have brain for this conversation by stating that computer programs are real but Bitcoin is not real. Even though they both exists the same way: as a digital thing in the internet. And digital meaning it is made by lines of computer coding.

So, as everyone can see, there is no point helping him to hurt himself with this matter. He is not able to understand this. Just like there is saying that don't feed the troll, in this matter don't help the handicapped person to hurt his brain. He is delusional with his "coded computer programs are real but other coded things like Bitcoin cannot be real".

Leave him to be. Eventually the disabled person will find some other topic to hurt his brain with.

Yes, computer programs are real. Although digital and intangible they are easily proven to exist. Bitcoin on the other hand is not real. Nobody who supposedly bought or sold, for example, 100 bitcoins got some coins or digital products or transferred them to someone. Only a number 100 was added or subtracted from a number previously attached to their address. You all blindly believed an anonymous guy when he wrote in his paper that some coins or transactions exist in his system. While all his system does is cryptographic management of numbers. There are no coins or transactions in his system. Only mathematical operations with numbers whose results are stored by the network of nodes. What is fascinating, unbelievable and bizarre is that you people insult someone who is presenting you pure facts. And on the other hand, keep blindly believing an anonymous guy hwo wrote a paper full of flaws.

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Showshow already proved he does not have brain for this conversation by stating that computer programs are real but Bitcoin is not real. Even though they both exists the same way: as a digital thing in the internet. And digital meaning it is made by lines of computer coding.

So, as everyone can see, there is no point helping him to hurt himself with this matter. He is not able to understand this. Just like there is saying that don't feed the troll, in this matter don't help the handicapped person to hurt his brain. He is delusional with his "coded computer programs are real but other coded things like Bitcoin cannot be real".

Leave him to be. Eventually the disabled person will find some other topic to hurt his brain with.

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Quote from: FatFork on March 28, 2022, 04:53:57 AM

Quote from: Snowshow on March 28, 2022, 03:34:38 AM

Quote from: slackovic on March 28, 2022, 03:22:22 AM

Quote from: Snowshow on March 28, 2022, 03:16:47 AM

Your opinions on me are irrelevant. Show me bitcoins given you're the one claiming they exist. When someone says they own bitcoins, all they are able to show are numbers next to their address. These numbers supposedly express the quantity of their coins. But where are the coins? Where are the bitcoins? I examined the Satoshi's system and I didn't find them. You claim they exist. So where are they?

As I said before, there are no physical Bitcoins. They are digital data stored on a public ledger. And that's it. You can't argue that something doesn't exist just because you can't see it.

You're pretty pathetic with this generic phrases. You say bitcons are "digital data stored on a public ledger". But what is stored are addresses and numbers. So your claim is factually incorrect.

In fact, this statement is factually correct, but you are unable or unwilling to comprehend. Your problem, not ours. As I told you before, stating that the Sun does not exist because you are visually impaired is not a statement of fact.

Quote from: Snowshow on March 28, 2022, 03:34:38 AM

There are no bitcoins on a public ledger. You repeatedly claim that bitcoins exist and then all you are doing is showing address with the supposed quantities of bitcoins. But not bitcoins themselves. So, I where are they? You're claiming they exist and you're required to support your claim.

As you know, bitcoins are digital. All that is digital does not exist in physical form, as we've been telling you time and time again. You really don't get it?

Factually correct is that on the ledger there's data in the form of addresses and numbers. Fake numbers, given they quantify non-existent coins. "Digital coins" is a nonsense phrase. Like "digital air'. Air is made of nitrogen, oxygen, argon, carbon dioxide, and neon. Coins are made of metal. There's no such thing as digital coins. Nor there are digital products owned by address holders. Only fake data on quantity. That's all they "own".

Quote from: slackovic on March 28, 2022, 05:29:27 AM

Quote from: Snowshow on March 28, 2022, 03:58:53 AM

... A computer program exists as a sequence of instructions in a programming language that a computer can execute or interpret. ...

Just like that, Bitcoin exists as a digital currency that can be minted under a specific rules and that gives it a value. And just like time and a computer program, it doesn't have to be in a physical form. Why do you insist that it has to be in a physical form? Where did you get that info from?

Now try to prove yor claim. Where's that digital currency located?

Quote from: BitcoinMoses on March 28, 2022, 06:33:27 AM

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Bitcoin exit in the Blockchain database as numerical representation of unit of economic value.

That's factually incorrect statement. In the blockchain database only addresses and numbers attached to them exist. Nothing else. You're imagining things that don't exist in reality. Like many people here.

Quote from: Alisha-k on March 28, 2022, 06:44:06 AM

Coming from a newbie all I can wonder is where you got this kind of misleading information from??

My little advice though, try to make your research from a reliable source don't come up here misleading and confusing people who are still trying to gain useful information about information.

Facts are not misleading. I get the facts from observation. I observe and see numbers and addresses in the blockchain. People here are spreading misinformation and lies that blockchain contains coins called bitcoins.

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Quote from: slackovic on March 28, 2022, 03:22:22 AM

Quote from: Snowshow on March 28, 2022, 03:16:47 AM

Your opinions on me are irrelevant. Show me bitcoins given you're the one claiming they exist. When someone says they own bitcoins, all they are able to show are numbers next to their address. These numbers supposedly express the quantity of their coins. But where are the coins? Where are the bitcoins? I examined the Satoshi's system and I didn't find them. You claim they exist. So where are they?

As I said before, there are no physical Bitcoins. They are digital data stored on a public ledger. And that's it. You can't argue that something doesn't exist just because you can't see it.

This statement is contradictory each other, who on planet earth seems Bitcoin, Bitcoin is a digital currency which can not be hold on hand but only seen from digital view, bitcoin exist and bitcoin no exist is not suppose to be an argument

Quote from: Alisha-k on March 28, 2022, 06:44:06 AM

Coming from a newbie all I can wonder is where you got this kind of misleading information from??

My little advice though, try to make your research from a reliable source don't come up here misleading and confusing people who are still trying to gain useful information about information.

You know that some people of this time don't really make a research before presenting something to the public, op just decide to put anything he or her feel is right and drop for people to read, op suppose to know that present information to the public, you have to research and research well, because information is just like a key

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