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i wonder what OP of this thread was thinking when he said all that he mentioned from his first post, well i think he needs to go and read lto understand what bitcoin truly is, Satoshi sat down to implement work on a better financial system that makes life more easy at it best in the economy and the whole world see this and believe because its a digital decentralized currency, you can make payment with it, secure your financial assets and investments and yet OP still in doubts about bitcoin, adoption is an option but it will be a thing of regret if in some couple of years bitcoin turns beyond their imagination, then such people like this would have realized their mistakes when it is too late.
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Well, I love dissenting opinions because it shape arguments or opinions. The poster's point of argument is as well as others who are opposing it. Possibly, the op is one who has read extensively in finance and economics and is quite conservative. It doesn't mean he is wrong. I feel that if the op can keep an open mind about Bitcoin and Satoshi for a split second, he or she might get to understand the concept of cryptocurrencies and may even be a proponent of it.
Well, I keep an open mind. That's why I am saying what I am saying. And of course, I cannot be the proponent of something I have never ever saw. I see people showing me their mobile apps, with some numbers on the screen. Sometimes these numbers are zero sometimes greater than zero. They say that they paid money to have the latter. But they have never ever showed me some digital coins in the quantity indicated with these numbers. Then I see people who spend electricity to keep the system running. They say they are paid for their investment of electricity with bitcoins. But again, all they are able to show me are those numbers that change in their mobile apps. No bitcoins, no coins, no assets, nothing digital, nothing tangible or intangible in their possession. So, I see people participating in a scheme where they're paying money or spending electricity to get numbers changed in their mobile apps. A I see people fantasizing about some valuable, precious and scarce coins that no one ever saw.
Drawing an analogy, if people are only paying money to get numbers changed in their digital wallets, I think I could say we work in our daily life to earn paper, when being paid in fiat. And that fiat doesn't exist at all, it's just paper which contains numbers and people are wasting their time working, because you know, it's just paper... Therefore maybe money doesn't exist, all the forms of money are just numbers written in blank notes created by men who didn't know what they were doing and didn't have any knowledge about how an efficient economical system works...

Being so extremist, only a plain and simple barter system would make sense.
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Can anyone remember what was the username of the guy that wanted to let all of us know that Bitcoin doesn't exist? I can't remember but I have a feeling he got banned and that's why Snowshow appeared.

I think, he will definitely realize that bitcoin exist because bitcoin has done a lot of things in the land of those that made it legalized. Many countries has made bitcoin legal in their environment because bitcoin can do what fiat money can do in their businesses and also eliminate errors from their transaction so that their transaction will be safe and secure. I believe snowshow will accept that bitcoin exist in the world and is real to help the world to reduce unemployment and eliminate bad economy from our land. Bitcoin is a decentralized currency that came to stay forever for people to be free from poverty and errors in transaction.
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Only numbers are changed next to the addresses. So, Bitcoin doesn't exist and the Satoshi's system is not actually a payment system, but a system for changing, storing and protecting numbers.


By your logic, digital banking is also a myth?
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April 06, 2022, 01:50:20 PM
Well, I love dissenting opinions because it shape arguments or opinions. The poster's point of argument is as well as others who are opposing it. Possibly, the op is one who has read extensively in finance and economics and is quite conservative. It doesn't mean he is wrong. I feel that if the op can keep an open mind about Bitcoin and Satoshi for a split second, he or she might get to understand the concept of cryptocurrencies and may even be a proponent of it.
Well, I keep an open mind. That's why I am saying what I am saying. And of course, I cannot be the proponent of something I have never ever saw. I see people showing me their mobile apps, with some numbers on the screen. Sometimes these numbers are zero sometimes greater than zero. They say that they paid money to have the latter. But they have never ever showed me some digital coins in the quantity indicated with these numbers. Then I see people who spend electricity to keep the system running. They say they are paid for their investment of electricity with bitcoins. But again, all they are able to show me are those numbers that change in their mobile apps. No bitcoins, no coins, no assets, nothing digital, nothing tangible or intangible in their possession. So, I see people participating in a scheme where they're paying money or spending electricity to get numbers changed in their mobile apps. A I see people fantasizing about some valuable, precious and scarce coins that no one ever saw.

I'm interested in the Bitcoin Discussion board, but your shit thread keeps coming up.
I have a single thread. This one. If you're upset by it you're free not to participate here.
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April 06, 2022, 11:08:57 AM
If this topic is disturbing your inner peace it's better for you not to visit it.
I'm interested in the Bitcoin Discussion board, but your shit thread keeps coming up.

It doesn't mean he is wrong.
It depends on how you understand incorrectness. If you take the time to read the entire thread, which is not recommended unless you have nothing better to do, you'll realize that he's an obtuse who thinks he's proved that every crypto user, from regular forum users to geniuses, have gone nuts.

He's also a sock puppet[1][2][3].

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[3] fxsurfer
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April 06, 2022, 10:21:41 AM
EDIT: I started this topic by claiming that Bitcoin is a message similar to SMS, email, etc. But, through the discussion here I realized that this is misleading. Because, Bitcoin is actually not real. It doesn't exist. It doesn't exist like Greek gods don't exist. The reason is simple: whoever enters the Satoshi's system recieves no coins, no bit-coins.  No assets, no money. Nothing tangible nor intangible. Nothing physical nor digital. Instead, people are just paying for numbers to be changed next to their addresses. In economics, a transaction is an instance of buying or selling something. A payment is an instance of transferring a thing that was bought or sold. In the Satoshi's system nothing is bought or sold. Nothing is transferred. Only numbers are changed next to the addresses. So, Bitcoin doesn't exist and the Satoshi's system is not actually a payment system, but a system for changing, storing and protecting numbers.

Satoshi Nacamoto, is probably someone who lacks education or knowledge in finance and economics. For that reason, he wrote a paper in which he falsely assumed that changing numbers is equivalent of performing transactions or payments. Then, people took his paper at face value. They took it without actually questioning or doubting what was written. This lead to the creation of a religious like belief that revolutionary coin came to Earth to free us from corporations and governments.  Given that we live in the age of internet,  the believe was quickly spread throughout the world. As a consequence, people across the globe now believe that they are buying something very precious and scarce. And that the blockchain is an important place where that precious and scarce thing is kept.  While in reality, only numbers attached to the addresses exist. There's no scarcity, but arbitrarily predefined maximum sum of numbers next to the addresses. And the blockchain is nothing important but just a giant database where numeric changes are stored. So a revolutionary digital coin called Bitcoin is not something that is real. It's simply, a myth.

Here's a more detailed explanation: https://youtu.be/jcraRM6vblQ

Well, I love dissenting opinions because it shape arguments or opinions. The poster's point of argument is as well as others who are opposing it. Possibly, the op is one who has read extensively in finance and economics and is quite conservative. It doesn't mean he is wrong. I feel that if the op can keep an open mind about Bitcoin and Satoshi for a split second, he or she might get to understand the concept of cryptocurrencies and may even be a proponent of it.
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April 06, 2022, 09:51:15 AM
Satoshi is a lying bastard, we're all idiots who use something that doesn't exist, you're a very smart person who has never had alt accounts. Have I forgotten anything? Oh, right, and debt-based broken money FTW.

Can you get the hell outta here now?
If this topic is disturbing your inner peace it's better for you not to visit it.

Bitcoin's definitely not real, why else would people come in every now and then to say it's not, right?

Besides, what matters isn't if it's real but if it has an impact and an effect. Us talking here is evidence it has both.
What is the effect of giving someone real things because you believe unreal things are real? You download some app, pay $45K to get 0 changed to 1 and then you believe that you have a piece of something that's not real? What's the purpose of that?
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April 06, 2022, 08:50:54 AM
Bitcoin's definitely not real, why else would people come in every now and then to say it's not, right?

Besides, what matters isn't if it's real but if it has an impact and an effect. Us talking here is evidence it has both.

It's tough to figure out if they are just a troll or to poor and living in their mom's basement to even afford 1 doge or just a nutjob fanatic who's cult leader does not like BTC or just someone who bought onecoin back in the day and is bitter about it.

-Dave


Or all of those things. I always say we need them as much as them Bitcoin evangelists. World needs to go around and we're not going to do it all by our lonesome selves.

Every attack makes Bitcoin stronger. No attacks no strength, yeah?

Why do I sound so bad trying to be so wise?
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April 06, 2022, 07:59:05 AM
Satoshi is a lying bastard, we're all idiots who use something that doesn't exist, you're a very smart person who has never had alt accounts. Have I forgotten anything? Oh, right, and debt-based broken money FTW.

Can you get the hell outta here now?
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April 06, 2022, 07:18:58 AM
So you would want people banned for telling the truth?

No, I didn't say that anyone should be banned. I was stating the fact that I can't find the thread we were discussing last week. I guess that the OP of that thread got banned and thread deleted for whatever reason. And I also stated the obvious fact that you showed up at the same time that thread got deleted. Interesting...
So, you have a theory on forum users... while the guy below wants to investigate forum users. But, why are you trolling this topic with your personal stuff?
Can anyone remember what was the username of the guy that wanted to let all of us know that Bitcoin doesn't exist? I can't remember but I have a feeling he got banned and that's why Snowshow appeared.


There have been a few. They all failed and left. Someone posted these before but there are many more alts of this person:

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It's tough to figure out if they are just a troll or to poor and living in their mom's basement to even afford 1 doge or just a nutjob fanatic who's cult leader does not like BTC or just someone who bought onecoin back in the day and is bitter about it.

-Dave

Putting you private investigation aside, saying that Zeus is not real doesn't mean that you don't like Zeus. That would be stupid, given you're saying it's not real. Saying that something is not real simply means that no evidence exist that would prove the existence of that thing. The same is with Bitcoin. There's no evidence that this coin exists. In the Satoshi's scheme all you get is a number changed when you pay money. No coins, no assets, nothing digital or physical to show. So no evidence exists that Bitcoin is real. Bitcoin is just a folklore genre consisting of narratives. It exists only as the product of human fantasy.
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April 06, 2022, 06:32:10 AM
Can anyone remember what was the username of the guy that wanted to let all of us know that Bitcoin doesn't exist? I can't remember but I have a feeling he got banned and that's why Snowshow appeared.


There have been a few. They all failed and left. Someone posted these before but there are many more alts of this person:

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It's tough to figure out if they are just a troll or to poor and living in their mom's basement to even afford 1 doge or just a nutjob fanatic who's cult leader does not like BTC or just someone who bought onecoin back in the day and is bitter about it.

-Dave
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April 06, 2022, 06:26:02 AM
So you would want people banned for telling the truth?

No, I didn't say that anyone should be banned. I was stating the fact that I can't find the thread we were discussing last week. I guess that the OP of that thread got banned and thread deleted for whatever reason. And I also stated the obvious fact that you showed up at the same time that thread got deleted. Interesting...
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April 06, 2022, 06:15:35 AM
All I can say is that you should have a largely if not an overall view of the different beliefs and critiques surrounding bitcoin. Not coming into conclusion without proper findings and proof to back up false claims about it.
You call it a myth, but a useful myth worth millions of dollars.
What is worth millions of dollars is the property that one group of people transferred to another in order to get numbers changed next to their virtual address. All because they blindly believe a myth that they received a magical coin in the quantity of those changes.
The conspiracy theory claiming that Bitcoin is not real is one of my favorite Kiss

You know what? Bitcoin is scarce and finite, so being its users we favor from this conspiracy theory: there will be more bitcoins left for us. So please do keep thinking that Bitcoin is not real.
Claiming that bitcoin or Zeus don't exist is not a conspiracy theory but something factually correct. Claiming that bitcoin exists but being able to show only a number next to your address is something that is factually incorrect.

Can anyone remember what was the username of the guy that wanted to let all of us know that Bitcoin doesn't exist? I can't remember but I have a feeling he got banned and that's why Snowshow appeared.
So you would want people banned for telling the truth?
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April 06, 2022, 06:02:41 AM
Can anyone remember what was the username of the guy that wanted to let all of us know that Bitcoin doesn't exist? I can't remember but I have a feeling he got banned and that's why Snowshow appeared.
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April 06, 2022, 05:41:13 AM
The conspiracy theory claiming that Bitcoin is not real is one of my favorite Kiss

You know what? Bitcoin is scarce and finite, so being its users we favor from this conspiracy theory: there will be more bitcoins left for us. So please do keep thinking that Bitcoin is not real.
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April 06, 2022, 04:31:31 AM
All I can say is that you should have a largely if not an overall view of the different beliefs and critiques surrounding bitcoin. Not coming into conclusion without proper findings and proof to back up false claims about it.
You call it a myth, but a useful myth worth millions of dollars.
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April 06, 2022, 03:36:30 AM
Ok, this discussion is getting nowhere. For that reason I decided to make a video for you guys. I will call it: "Bitcoin is a myth and not real." I will explain everything there. The video I attached in the OP is somehow misleading. When I created it I was thinking that bitcoin is a some kind of message. But throughout  the discussion in this topic I realized that bitcoin actually doesn't exist. We can say that I was also the victim of this widespread false narrative on bitcoin's existence. So I will delete that video and make a new one. Probably over the weekend. Stay tuned.
Like promised, here's the video: https://youtu.be/jcraRM6vblQ
since the discussion is getting nowhere then you may consider closing the thread instead? because it seems that majority does not even care of your effort to bring Bitcoin down and even no care of what is that video made for
I dunno man, you're not convincing me. If it's a myth, then it's a myth that's worth 880 billion dollars. The fact that it is something that can be used, or useful... means it DOES exist.
perhaps OP has intention that we can call Myth  Grin because no matter what he says , this is Bitcointalk.org forum in which majority is a Bitcoin supporters .
It's impossible to bring down or support something that's not real. It's possible only to suggest people not to behave irrationally by giving away their property just because a system of an anonymous guy is changing numbers next to their virtual address.

For a moment, lets say what you are saying is right. You need to be that anonymous guy and make sure your numbers are increasing against our bitcoin virtual address. Because these virtual addresses are black holes which will eat up all your fiat and banking money.  Smiley
Closing your eyes , love for banking system and hate for bitcoin will only make you at a loss by inflation while rest of us will have the financial freedom.  Cool
I never paid even a dime to have a number changed in the Satoshi's system. So it's your money that is eaten by black holes, not mine. My money, that is, my redeemable product (deposit) is still with me. And I don't love banks, the same as I don't love a retailer that issues gift cards or a casino that issues tokens. I am just using their redeemable products. And of course, when you enter the Satoshi's numeric scheme you have freedom, a freedom from your property.
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April 06, 2022, 02:33:05 AM
Ok, this discussion is getting nowhere. For that reason I decided to make a video for you guys. I will call it: "Bitcoin is a myth and not real." I will explain everything there. The video I attached in the OP is somehow misleading. When I created it I was thinking that bitcoin is a some kind of message. But throughout  the discussion in this topic I realized that bitcoin actually doesn't exist. We can say that I was also the victim of this widespread false narrative on bitcoin's existence. So I will delete that video and make a new one. Probably over the weekend. Stay tuned.
Like promised, here's the video: https://youtu.be/jcraRM6vblQ
since the discussion is getting nowhere then you may consider closing the thread instead? because it seems that majority does not even care of your effort to bring Bitcoin down and even no care of what is that video made for
I dunno man, you're not convincing me. If it's a myth, then it's a myth that's worth 880 billion dollars. The fact that it is something that can be used, or useful... means it DOES exist.
perhaps OP has intention that we can call Myth  Grin because no matter what he says , this is Bitcointalk.org forum in which majority is a Bitcoin supporters .
It's impossible to bring down or support something that's not real. It's possible only to suggest people not to behave irrationally by giving away their property just because a system of an anonymous guy is changing numbers next to their virtual address.

For a moment, lets say what you are saying is right. You need to be that anonymous guy and make sure your numbers are increasing against our bitcoin virtual address. Because these virtual addresses are black holes which will eat up all your fiat and banking money.  Smiley
Closing your eyes , love for banking system and hate for bitcoin will only make you at a loss by inflation while rest of us will have the financial freedom.  Cool
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April 06, 2022, 01:42:28 AM
what religious crime group started the federal reserve ?

What religion is the lead developer of bitcoin right now?

What religion calls it self chosen and whos religious texts advocate crime and pedophillia?
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