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Quote from: Shamm on April 21, 2023, 07:44:58 AM

Quote from: wiss19 on April 21, 2023, 05:14:04 AM

Are you trying to say that people can use AI to find bugs and problems in a casino to get a bug bounty? If that's what you are referring to then you need to understand that most bugs or problems in casinos that can be reported for an eligible bounty can only be identified by a human and not a robot since it doesn't have senses and can't see.

An AI model might only be able to find bugs and problems within a source code if provided to it. That is one of the things which it can do much faster than humans of course, he can read and evaluate thousands of lines in a matter of seconds, a human cannot do that.

There positive and negative effects while using AI every ware or anywhere and good example for this. Is like what you said it will helps to the gamblers to put their bet easier and faster and also AI can do a lot of things such read a thousands, millions or even billion of words in just a seconds or minutes and human can not do that. But We must know that AI can not determined all the bugs and problems of the casino that a human can do.

I think that the negative effects are more than the positive ones of using the AI, at least at this time I would not do it, because it is in full development, it would not be very smart to leave our money in the hands of the decisions of an AI to Multiply it, I don't know if the prediction algorithms are asleep or if the AIs are not active, it is obvious that if they are, in fact I think that this is the best way to test it, but obviously it is not the correct way to do it because otherwise people will they would go crazy to make money,it would be totally out of control.

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For gambling games, it of course doesn't work at all since as you said, every outcome is a randomly generated selection and there is possibly no way to train the AI model to master that and be able to beat the house.

However, gamblers try to train Al as sophisticated as possible, they will never be able to beat the house because the house has more intelligence so that every action taken by the gambler at home will be able to anticipate it so they don't experience a loss.
I am surprised by some people who worship or exaggerate artificial intelligence like AI for them to use it in all kinds of activities to make it easier, maybe to make it easier to do research or make predictions it can happen but when it is expected to be able to beat the house it is impossible option.
I believe Al is able to provide what its users want but not in all things because there is something better than Al system.

The field of AI has existed for a very long time and there have been some very good results already, in fact most recommendations systems you can find on apps are a form of AI, and slowly but surely AI is becoming an important part of our lives, however the imagination of the people goes way beyond what exists right now and they imagine scenarios like the ones depicted on the movies with sentient robots and the like, and unfortunately we are very far away from that future at the moment.

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Quote from: Webetcoins on April 25, 2023, 02:26:21 PM

For gambling games, it of course doesn't work at all since as you said, every outcome is a randomly generated selection and there is possibly no way to train the AI model to master that and be able to beat the house.

However, gamblers try to train Al as sophisticated as possible, they will never be able to beat the house because the house has more intelligence so that every action taken by the gambler at home will be able to anticipate it so they don't experience a loss.
I am surprised by some people who worship or exaggerate artificial intelligence like AI for them to use it in all kinds of activities to make it easier, maybe to make it easier to do research or make predictions it can happen but when it is expected to be able to beat the house it is impossible option.
I believe Al is able to provide what its users want but not in all things because there is something better than Al system.

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Quote from: Doan9269 on April 25, 2023, 06:26:57 AM

There's no way AI can ein against the house because it has been programmed on a limited supply ability wherein except if updated to perform more better from time to time

And that's the big difference between A.I and the human brain, because a very active sport fan with vast knowledge of all games can possibly make a better prediction far more better than what most of this A.I tool does, and I have come to realized that the majority of people who uses A.I for prediction are those who have little or no knowledge about a particular sporting event, who just wish to try his/her luck, which is not bad in any case, unlike a die-heart fan who knows all the nock & cranny of a particular sporting game and as such make high chance possible outcome of a sport game far more better than an A.I who only produce result on it's current available data.

With all due respect to avid fans of any sport, and with great respect for the sports betting options that such fans place bets on, I would like to note that AI also theoretically has access to all the information that is contained on the Internet. according to all the results of the games, his favorite team for many many years.
And even AI has almost all the information even in a larger volume than such a fan, because a person has such an inherent property of the psyche - to forget certain details of past matches and some nuances, which, by the way, if they are on the Internet, are definitely available to AI. In the case of predictions for future matches and provided that the programming of AI algorithms is done with high quality, then I think. AI will cope with the task of placing a bet on the result of a future match no worse, and maybe even better than such a fan. But of course, if a fan has some tricky insider information about a future match that is not available to the Internet, then AI will certainly lose as its prediction.
But this is no longer a fair competition.
More precisely, absolutely. absolutely unfair competition!!! .
That's the only way a fan can beat AI.

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Quote from: Doan9269 on April 25, 2023, 06:26:57 AM

There's no way AI can ein against the house because it has been programmed on a limited supply ability wherein except if updated to perform more better from time to time

And that's the big difference between A.I and the human brain, because a very active sport fan with vast knowledge of all games can possibly make a better prediction far more better than what most of this A.I tool does, and I have come to realized that the majority of people who uses A.I for prediction are those who have little or no knowledge about a particular sporting event, who just wish to try his/her luck, which is not bad in any case, unlike a die-heart fan who knows all the nock & cranny of a particular sporting game and as such make high chance possible outcome of a sport game far more better than an A.I who only produce result on it's current available data.

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Quote from: Desmong on April 24, 2023, 05:38:32 PM

People had been using AI to scam people and we just need to be very careful and know what we are doing. There different between AI and human predictions in gambling is because of the computer ability to accumulate data that will be use in decision making to make work easier. Artificial intelligence will make work easier but with it own detriments.

There's no way AI can ein against the house because it has been programmed on a limited supply ability wherein except if updated to perform more better from time to time, but isn't it laziness or something else that makes people think going for AI is the best available option for them in other to win when they are gambling, I don't see a reason why i should always depend on using this system to gamble when i have an unlimited brain capacity that has no limited supply to the extent of which i can reason and think when gambling, AI is good but not too good in many occasions if well considered, using it doesn't guarantee winning all the time, you still engage taking a risk.

Guys, I get it. AI's limitations aside, it's profitable in gaming. Numbers are crunched, and Einstein-worthy predictions are made. Poker, blackjack? I think AI is great. You're right, though. AI and robotics may fail. Guys, gambling is risky. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. AI, though? It's like having a secret tool to win more. Let's be honest. Our brain? Incredible, but not perfect. Casino-style, when the stakes are high. Collectively, we're struggling. AI finds hidden gems.

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But if AI has become more sophisticated than it is today and managed to beat the casino for some time, the casino will not allow it to win again. The casino will do something to prevent players from being able to win using AI. And it's natural for casinos to do that so their gambling business can keep running and the casinos can still make a profit.

I don't think that can any day be possible that an A.I will win the house, because what A.I does is to work on already existing data, and gambling casinos has none, since every win is a random selection. But the only area A.I can equally have an edge is in "Sportbetting" whereby all data about a team's performance are stored online, and as such can be accessible by the A.I for analysis and then come up with a possible outcome that can be a 50% possible chance.

Someone would wonder, what is the use of utilizing an AI model to do the analysis of the match if the possible outcome gives only a 50% chance? That's why AI is not yet capable enough to do that, maybe in the future when there is data fed to it specifically for this purpose and it is trained to do this better, then maybe it can be used for predictions for sports events.

For gambling games, it of course doesn't work at all since as you said, every outcome is a randomly generated selection and there is possibly no way to train the AI model to master that and be able to beat the house.

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Quote from: Desmong on April 24, 2023, 05:38:32 PM

People had been using AI to scam people and we just need to be very careful and know what we are doing. There different between AI and human predictions in gambling is because of the computer ability to accumulate data that will be use in decision making to make work easier. Artificial intelligence will make work easier but with it own detriments.

There's no way AI can ein against the house because it has been programmed on a limited supply ability wherein except if updated to perform more better from time to time, but isn't it laziness or something else that makes people think going for AI is the best available option for them in other to win when they are gambling, I don't see a reason why i should always depend on using this system to gamble when i have an unlimited brain capacity that has no limited supply to the extent of which i can reason and think when gambling, AI is good but not too good in many occasions if well considered, using it doesn't guarantee winning all the time, you still engage taking a risk.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on March 12, 2023, 05:13:28 AM

We are seeing more and more projects that are almost 100% built on Artificial Intelligence, like ChatGPT. Here are a few experiments that are linked between ChatGPT and gambling....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDthta5sUGQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw3pc-47weg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYegYNkwjR0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlFrI6cLD0E

Do you think AI will be more successful to get a working gambling strategy to win the house... and if they do, what will be the impact on casinos?

I don’t think gambling platforms will feel threaten with this AI presence. In fact, there’s no working strategy in gambling, and those who have made significant profits with gambling are just too lucky enough that they have made an edge over the house. But regardless if you are a noob or an experienced gambler, as long as you don’t have the luck, you will never have the chances to make profits. Also, AI is not good enough with predicting outcomes in the future. As much as gambling platforms are concerned, the fact that it’s always unpredictable and uncertain, then AI will never succeed on that.

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Quote from: Desmong on April 24, 2023, 05:38:32 PM

People had been using AI to scam people and we just need to be very careful and know what we are doing. There different between AI and human predictions in gambling is because of the computer ability to accumulate data that will be use in decision making to make work easier. Artificial intelligence will make work easier but with it own detriments.

the use of artificial intelligence for gambling I don't think that it will compromise or it will be a useful function because many of these does not function appropriately by using them except it is a someone who does not try to make use of it for a day so from my understanding I will say that this is a measure of scam of highest level that people introduce in order to extort money from people through gambling

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People had been using AI to scam people and we just need to be very careful and know what we are doing. There different between AI and human predictions in gambling is because of the computer ability to accumulate data that will be use in decision making to make work easier. Artificial intelligence will make work easier but with it own detriments.

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Quote from: Odusko on April 21, 2023, 11:53:09 AM

AI is a good initiative in gaming after all if a gambler is playing against the house which is a computer, then the computer should be made to play against bots since those computers are configured to function primarily for that purpose, but the big question is, will casino allow the use of AI on their platforms the answer is no and to a large point we must know that any players who employ the services of artificial intelligence on games may get some form of restrictions or possible account ban.

^They know this because casinos generate significant revenue from their games, and if players are able to consistently win, it could lead to a decrease in profits for the casino which is I think, that is the reason they will have a patch. That patch is to counterpart those players who have been consistently winning and even with the most sophisticated AI algorithms, there are no guarantees of success. Casinos also have the ability to adjust their strategies and defenses as necessary, making it challenging for any one strategy to consistently win in the long term.
Do you think they are not wise than us? Remember those casinos are here to make money and we are just using them to have fun.

If the casino knows that several players can get wins consistently, the casino will suspect whether the player wins by cheating or using bots or is it just luck. But considering that the current AI algorithm cannot work optimally, for example, the casino will suspect that the account has won because of player fraud.

But if AI has become more sophisticated than it is today and managed to beat the casino for some time, the casino will not allow it to win again. The casino will do something to prevent players from being able to win using AI. And it's natural for casinos to do that so their gambling business can keep running and the casinos can still make a profit.

Actually, casinos from now on are already preparing to counteract AI behavior that can be used in gambling, such as for example someone wins in a row and the system detects that there is abnormal behavior in the gambler's account and the system will tell the security team to freeze customer accounts and verify all bets.
There is no chance that can beat the casino even though AI really can be relied on.

They already anticipated this kind of scenario in gambling as they wanted to remain unbeaten than make their casino lose. In the case that AI is better than them they will create another to stop it. Therefore, I was expecting such a developing trend to see someday. If might not happen, I will think that casinos will ban the use of AI to play on their platform. But until now, we never hear in public that someone who uses AI in gambling outplays casinos. Well, we don't want to hear also that the use if this stuff is a form of cheating...not for now, otherwise.

There's no way on beating the house because if there would be some chances or possibility or any tool that it would be successfully able to do so then it would be the end of this industry. Lots of gambling places or businesses would shut down due to bankruptcy or would really be having no revenue just because people or gambler do really able to milk them out. This is why its really that impossible that it would really be having this way. AI is something isnt build for this kind of purpose, there are really just that people who are really that mindful towards about getting advantage on something on where they could make some money.
There's no way on beating up the house because it would really be just creating that kind of impression which is something that cant really be that possible.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on April 23, 2023, 06:43:38 AM

They already anticipated this kind of scenario in gambling as they wanted to remain unbeaten than make their casino lose. In the case that AI is better than them they will create another to stop it. Therefore, I was expecting such a developing trend to see someday. If might not happen, I will think that casinos will ban the use of AI to play on their platform. But until now, we never hear in public that someone who uses AI in gambling outplays casinos. Well, we don't want to hear also that the use if this stuff is a form of cheating...not for now, otherwise.

If AI can be used to beat the casinos then it is easy to guess AI can also be used by the casinos to improve the odds they give and to possibly detect customers which could be making use of AI to try to beat them, so AI is not going to be the end of the gambling industry or any other industry by the way, as the casinos themselves are the ones that have the most historical data about sports, and with that data the AI of a casino should be better than any AI created by a gambler.

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Quote from: klidex on April 23, 2023, 04:57:31 AM

Actually, casinos from now on are already preparing to counteract AI behavior that can be used in gambling, such as for example someone wins in a row and the system detects that there is abnormal behavior in the gambler's account and the system will tell the security team to freeze customer accounts and verify all bets.
There is no chance that can beat the casino even though AI really can be relied on.

I do not know if you call this a good aspect of AI from the gamblers point of view. However if this usage of AI is true then the gambling casino are definitely getting benefit from this AI technology.

The AI will detect the continuous wining streak of the gamblers and put his under investigations, Nice move., but will the AI notices the continuous loss of gambler and also put a restriction on gambling for that player so that he may not lose more money. Will the gambling casino will use AI in this way also or they only care about their business and money Sad

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Quote from: klidex on April 23, 2023, 04:57:31 AM

Actually, casinos from now on are already preparing to counteract AI behavior that can be used in gambling, such as for example someone wins in a row and the system detects that there is abnormal behavior in the gambler's account and the system will tell the security team to freeze customer accounts and verify all bets.
There is no chance that can beat the casino even though AI really can be relied on.

The casino has tried to detect abnormal behavior on gamblers' accounts and will investigate their accounts to find more detailed data. And if the casino finds that it turns out that the gambler is cheating, the casino will immediately give a notification and maybe block the gambler's account.

And if gamblers also use AI to win bets, the casino will know about it because all the records of its members will be easily obtained. And I think casinos will also implement AI to block the use of AI by gamblers.

Quote from: CryptoHeadlineNews on April 23, 2023, 05:12:42 AM

I don't think that can any day be possible that an A.I will win the house, because what A.I does is to work on already existing data, and gambling casinos has none, since every win is a random selection. But the only area A.I can equally have an edge is in "Sportbetting" whereby all data about a team's performance are stored online, and as such can be accessible by the A.I for analysis and then come up with a possible outcome that can be a 50% possible chance.

Maybe that's the case because, with the growth of AI technology, AI can help gamblers to win games. But of course, the casino will not let this happen because it wants to protect its business from gambling cheating. And even though there is AI that helps gamblers analyze the advantages of each team and provides the data to gamblers, it will not make gamblers able to win easily in a match. Let's just wait for AI technology's development in gambling so that we know whether using AI is a new way to win gambling games or if we have to wait until AI technology develops even better.

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Quote from: klidex on April 23, 2023, 04:57:31 AM

Quote from: ethereumhunter on April 23, 2023, 02:18:12 AM

Quote from: DoublerHunter on April 22, 2023, 03:55:38 PM

Quote from: Odusko on April 21, 2023, 11:53:09 AM

AI is a good initiative in gaming after all if a gambler is playing against the house which is a computer, then the computer should be made to play against bots since those computers are configured to function primarily for that purpose, but the big question is, will casino allow the use of AI on their platforms the answer is no and to a large point we must know that any players who employ the services of artificial intelligence on games may get some form of restrictions or possible account ban.

^They know this because casinos generate significant revenue from their games, and if players are able to consistently win, it could lead to a decrease in profits for the casino which is I think, that is the reason they will have a patch. That patch is to counterpart those players who have been consistently winning and even with the most sophisticated AI algorithms, there are no guarantees of success. Casinos also have the ability to adjust their strategies and defenses as necessary, making it challenging for any one strategy to consistently win in the long term.
Do you think they are not wise than us? Remember those casinos are here to make money and we are just using them to have fun.

If the casino knows that several players can get wins consistently, the casino will suspect whether the player wins by cheating or using bots or is it just luck. But considering that the current AI algorithm cannot work optimally, for example, the casino will suspect that the account has won because of player fraud.

But if AI has become more sophisticated than it is today and managed to beat the casino for some time, the casino will not allow it to win again. The casino will do something to prevent players from being able to win using AI. And it's natural for casinos to do that so their gambling business can keep running and the casinos can still make a profit.

Actually, casinos from now on are already preparing to counteract AI behavior that can be used in gambling, such as for example someone wins in a row and the system detects that there is abnormal behavior in the gambler's account and the system will tell the security team to freeze customer accounts and verify all bets.
There is no chance that can beat the casino even though AI really can be relied on.

They already anticipated this kind of scenario in gambling as they wanted to remain unbeaten than make their casino lose. In the case that AI is better than them they will create another to stop it. Therefore, I was expecting such a developing trend to see someday. If might not happen, I will think that casinos will ban the use of AI to play on their platform. But until now, we never hear in public that someone who uses AI in gambling outplays casinos. Well, we don't want to hear also that the use if this stuff is a form of cheating...not for now, otherwise.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on April 23, 2023, 02:18:12 AM

But if AI has become more sophisticated than it is today and managed to beat the casino for some time, the casino will not allow it to win again. The casino will do something to prevent players from being able to win using AI. And it's natural for casinos to do that so their gambling business can keep running and the casinos can still make a profit.

I don't think that can any day be possible that an A.I will win the house, because what A.I does is to work on already existing data, and gambling casinos has none, since every win is a random selection. But the only area A.I can equally have an edge is in "Sportbetting" whereby all data about a team's performance are stored online, and as such can be accessible by the A.I for analysis and then come up with a possible outcome that can be a 50% possible chance.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on April 23, 2023, 02:18:12 AM

Quote from: DoublerHunter on April 22, 2023, 03:55:38 PM

Quote from: Odusko on April 21, 2023, 11:53:09 AM

AI is a good initiative in gaming after all if a gambler is playing against the house which is a computer, then the computer should be made to play against bots since those computers are configured to function primarily for that purpose, but the big question is, will casino allow the use of AI on their platforms the answer is no and to a large point we must know that any players who employ the services of artificial intelligence on games may get some form of restrictions or possible account ban.

^They know this because casinos generate significant revenue from their games, and if players are able to consistently win, it could lead to a decrease in profits for the casino which is I think, that is the reason they will have a patch. That patch is to counterpart those players who have been consistently winning and even with the most sophisticated AI algorithms, there are no guarantees of success. Casinos also have the ability to adjust their strategies and defenses as necessary, making it challenging for any one strategy to consistently win in the long term.
Do you think they are not wise than us? Remember those casinos are here to make money and we are just using them to have fun.

If the casino knows that several players can get wins consistently, the casino will suspect whether the player wins by cheating or using bots or is it just luck. But considering that the current AI algorithm cannot work optimally, for example, the casino will suspect that the account has won because of player fraud.

But if AI has become more sophisticated than it is today and managed to beat the casino for some time, the casino will not allow it to win again. The casino will do something to prevent players from being able to win using AI. And it's natural for casinos to do that so their gambling business can keep running and the casinos can still make a profit.

Actually, casinos from now on are already preparing to counteract AI behavior that can be used in gambling, such as for example someone wins in a row and the system detects that there is abnormal behavior in the gambler's account and the system will tell the security team to freeze customer accounts and verify all bets.
There is no chance that can beat the casino even though AI really can be relied on.

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on April 22, 2023, 03:55:38 PM

Quote from: Odusko on April 21, 2023, 11:53:09 AM

AI is a good initiative in gaming after all if a gambler is playing against the house which is a computer, then the computer should be made to play against bots since those computers are configured to function primarily for that purpose, but the big question is, will casino allow the use of AI on their platforms the answer is no and to a large point we must know that any players who employ the services of artificial intelligence on games may get some form of restrictions or possible account ban.

^They know this because casinos generate significant revenue from their games, and if players are able to consistently win, it could lead to a decrease in profits for the casino which is I think, that is the reason they will have a patch. That patch is to counterpart those players who have been consistently winning and even with the most sophisticated AI algorithms, there are no guarantees of success. Casinos also have the ability to adjust their strategies and defenses as necessary, making it challenging for any one strategy to consistently win in the long term.
Do you think they are not wise than us? Remember those casinos are here to make money and we are just using them to have fun.

If the casino knows that several players can get wins consistently, the casino will suspect whether the player wins by cheating or using bots or is it just luck. But considering that the current AI algorithm cannot work optimally, for example, the casino will suspect that the account has won because of player fraud.

But if AI has become more sophisticated than it is today and managed to beat the casino for some time, the casino will not allow it to win again. The casino will do something to prevent players from being able to win using AI. And it's natural for casinos to do that so their gambling business can keep running and the casinos can still make a profit.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on March 12, 2023, 05:13:28 AM

We are seeing more and more projects that are almost 100% built on Artificial Intelligence, like ChatGPT. Here are a few experiments that are linked between ChatGPT and gambling....
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Do you think AI will be more successful to get a working gambling strategy to win the house... and if they do, what will be the impact on casinos?

Beat the Casino - impossible .
It is unlikely that AI will discover new, hitherto unseen laws of mathematics or probability theory.

Beat the Bookmaker - very easy.
There are many professional players, and even simple algorithms (not AI), that do it with ease.
The problem is in the non-payment of winnings and the restriction of profitable players.

So AI for gambling - this is interesting in theory, but completely meaningless for practical use.

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