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Quote from: Kakmakr on March 12, 2023, 06:13:28 AM

We are seeing more and more projects that are almost 100% built on Artificial Intelligence, like ChatGPT. Here are a few experiments that are linked between ChatGPT and gambling....
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Do you think AI will be more successful to get a working gambling strategy to win the house... and if they do, what will be the impact on casinos?

Beat the Casino - impossible .
It is unlikely that AI will discover new, hitherto unseen laws of mathematics or probability theory.

Beat the Bookmaker - very easy.
There are many professional players, and even simple algorithms (not AI), that do it with ease.
The problem is in the non-payment of winnings and the restriction of profitable players.

So AI for gambling - this is interesting in theory, but completely meaningless for practical use.

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Quote from: Wiwo on April 22, 2023, 04:46:23 PM

The hype about AI is becoming too much in this forum and most members tend to believe that artificial intelligence can be used to perform every task that humans could, failing to undermine what it takes to develop such not that could compete against human ability in any form, one of the industry I think Artificial intelligence will never be successful is gambling industry, the use of AI will not be taken likely and the casino will do everything posible to develop the means to always counter the possibility of artificial intelligence success on the casino.

And most are already taking steps to match up with current demand to secure the future of the platform unless for thos threads I have not seen AI making any major discussion on the concerns of AI involvement in gambling.
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it's okay this is only temporary because the hype is always excessive.
to be honest, I agree with your statement that maybe we think too much about AI being able to beat the house edge in the future, while gambling always has a way so that it can't be cheated, maybe even starting to hype AI, even gambling has prepared everything before AI develops even further. so it's very unlikely that the AI can beat the house.

btw, AI is also needed by casinos to be used in chatrooms on gambling which can help the support team to save a bit of time.

The unnnassery hype and free promotions that AI is getting around here so we need to give AI development some time to truly prove its worth in competing or assisting human efforts to accomplish tasks with less effort.

But again gambling industry will be a hard nut to crack and artificial intelligence may not be successful in this industry since casinos already have developed systems to checkmate bot activities and dictation.

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Quote from: Wiwo on April 22, 2023, 04:46:23 PM

The hype about AI is becoming too much in this forum and most members tend to believe that artificial intelligence can be used to perform every task that humans could, failing to undermine what it takes to develop such not that could compete against human ability in any form, one of the industry I think Artificial intelligence will never be successful is gambling industry, the use of AI will not be taken likely and the casino will do everything posible to develop the means to always counter the possibility of artificial intelligence success on the casino.

And most are already taking steps to match up with current demand to secure the future of the platform unless for thos threads I have not seen AI making any major discussion on the concerns of AI involvement in gambling.
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it's okay this is only temporary, because hype is always excessive.
to be honest, I agree with your statement that maybe we think too much about AI being able to beat the house edge in the future, while gambling always has a way so that it can't be cheated, maybe even starting to hype AI, even gambling has prepared everything before AI develops even further. so it's very unlikely that the AI can beat the house.

btw, AI is also needed by casinos to be used in chatrooms on gambling which can help the support team to save a bit of time.

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Quote from: Odusko on April 21, 2023, 12:53:09 PM

AI is a good initiative in gaming after all if a gambler is playing against the house which is a computer, then the computer should be made to play against bots since those computers are configured to function primarily for that purpose, but the big question is, will casino allow the use of AI on their platforms the answer is no and to a large point we must know that any players who employ the services of artificial intelligence on games may get some form of restrictions or possible account ban.

^They know this because casinos generate significant revenue from their games, and if players are able to consistently win, it could lead to a decrease in profits for the casino which is I think, that is the reason they will have a patch. That patch is to counterpart those players who have been consistently winning and even with the most sophisticated AI algorithms, there are no guarantees of success. Casinos also have the ability to adjust their strategies and defenses as necessary, making it challenging for any one strategy to consistently win in the long term.
Do you think they are not wise than us? Remember those casinos are here to make money and we are just using them to have fun.

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The hype about AI is becoming too much in this forum and most members tend to believe that artificial intelligence can be used to perform every task that humans could, failing to undermine what it takes to develop such not that could compete against human ability in any form, one of the industry I think Artificial intelligence will never be successful is gambling industry, the use of AI will not be taken likely and the casino will do everything posible to develop the means to always counter the possibility of artificial intelligence success on the casino.

And most are already taking steps to match up with current demand to secure the future of the platform unless for thos threads I have not seen AI making any major discussion on the concerns of AI involvement in gambling.
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Yes, no doubt A.I is the new trend of internet marketing, affiliate marketing and online gambling as it has proven to do works initially meant for humans in the slightest few seconds, more faster and accurate. And as such making many people now lose their jobs, which is quite both good and bad, as with the use of A.I a user don't need to pay for voiceover anymore as we have got an A. I human-like tool that convert text into speech in few seconds, write a full blog post with A.I, generate a YouTube video, analyze a sport betting team and do lots of more others.

But in all this, usage of AI in gambling has proven to be ineffective since gambling games require some player's input that AI may not be able to meet up with, so even though AI has proven to be effective in some areas of operation but it will be a failure in the gambling market and casinos already have an anty bot features that will block AI access to some scripted games to avoid manipulation of the games result.

There is no way IA can work effective in the gambling section. I am still wondering how people intend to us ai in the gambling section whether it will be use to predict matches or to book games on a casino. If AI had the potential to book games and have other features like that then it will really makes sense to us AI in gambling.

this point you are really right because he cannot predict accurately or predict what any other thing can give you a prediction so making use of it is just like somebody who does not understand it right and the left so I believe it is not advisable to make use of it totally in gambling, if you want to understand gambling on make money to gambling you have to make use of your own personal prediction without depending on any machine

Well that's what it's about, of course the AI is Advancing a lot, and it may be that some devs can give more benefits to the programming of an AI by introducing pure information that can be Calculated and specialized in predictions, which is something that is not very easy., if people begin to give the corresponding value to what an AI can do, they must be aware that it is not trustworthy, it is something that can be used as a tool to make calculations, among other things, whatever is Assigned to it will calculate, but thinking as we want is still a long way off.

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Quote from: swogerino on April 19, 2023, 01:57:11 AM

Quote from: tusandii on April 19, 2023, 01:26:21 AM

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AI will never have a role in being a great help to any gambler,as I said I was asking them which team from x event will win and they all answered the same,I don't have the knowledge to answer this but you can check these type of sites in order to find some info,something that a person can do as well themselves without any help.Maybe the only help here is that AI put down some of the best sites for you to check out without me going to search google for that.

Casinos don't need to implement AI to battle another AI as there is no point in doing it,AI can't help in this section,just it cannot help physically in a job like a server administrator,it is just a virtual assistant and that's it.

But maybe those rich gamblers who have more money can just adopt Al to do research or predictions in every ongoing sports match with the aim of making it easier for gamblers to have predictions to bet on. It's just that it definitely requires a large enough budget to be able to adopting artificial intelligence such as Al.
If you use Al to win a game in a casino then I'm not too sure and believe it because casinos have their own way of working in a game so it will make it more difficult for anyone to cheat, but if you can use Al in a game maybe the casino can just do what I said before because anything can happen in the gambling industry.

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Quote from: nakamura12 on April 21, 2023, 12:24:00 PM

If they know how to build an AI to detect anomalies then it is possible. To be precise, an AI doesn't mean it is a robot, even ChatGPT is an AI chatbot. Anyway, it's up to them if they want to use an AI to find bugs when they want to earn money (incentives) by participating in a Bug bounty. Well, what's this? https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/publication/self-supervised-bug-detection-and-repair-2/ and also this one https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2021arXiv210512787A/abstract.

When you read it, it may not be gambling related but it's all about an AI that find bugs and repair although not all work or things can be done by an AI and a human is required to finish it.

That's exactly the point, an AI can never do everything by itself and there is a need for a human for everything it does, at least for now, maybe in the future, the developments will improve and then an AI will not need humans intervention for any operations that it does, but we obviously need to wait for that to happen and can't use AI for things related to gambling for now.

The bug-finding AIs are a far different concept than what can be used for a gambling website since they are mostly not vulnerable to bugs and errors that regular websites or platforms do since they do extra checks in order to leave no patches.

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Quote from: Shamm on April 21, 2023, 08:44:58 AM

Quote from: wiss19 on April 21, 2023, 06:14:04 AM

Are you trying to say that people can use AI to find bugs and problems in a casino to get a bug bounty? If that's what you are referring to then you need to understand that most bugs or problems in casinos that can be reported for an eligible bounty can only be identified by a human and not a robot since it doesn't have senses and can't see.

An AI model might only be able to find bugs and problems within a source code if provided to it. That is one of the things which it can do much faster than humans of course, he can read and evaluate thousands of lines in a matter of seconds, a human cannot do that.

There positive and negative effects while using AI every ware or anywhere and good example for this. Is like what you said it will helps to the gamblers to put their bet easier and faster and also AI can do a lot of things such read a thousands, millions or even billion of words in just a seconds or minutes and human can not do that. But We must know that AI can not determined all the bugs and problems of the casino that a human can do.

In the times we are living in,it is a waste to use AI for a casino because you are not going to win or get any benefit, that is because it is not developed as we think, because when they tell us an AI we imagine that it is the solution for everything and it is not like that, it is struggling to go out to the public and it has been developing for a long time, but this does not happen Overnight, if it is starting and has progress but it is not to be trusted, we have many things and ideas when We play, but when we Receive additional help it is something that we take advantage of, but we do not have to trust an AI for a game.

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Quote from: Shamm on April 21, 2023, 08:44:58 AM

Quote from: wiss19 on April 21, 2023, 06:14:04 AM

Are you trying to say that people can use AI to find bugs and problems in a casino to get a bug bounty? If that's what you are referring to then you need to understand that most bugs or problems in casinos that can be reported for an eligible bounty can only be identified by a human and not a robot since it doesn't have senses and can't see.

An AI model might only be able to find bugs and problems within a source code if provided to it. That is one of the things which it can do much faster than humans of course, he can read and evaluate thousands of lines in a matter of seconds, a human cannot do that.

There positive and negative effects while using AI every ware or anywhere and good example for this. Is like what you said it will helps to the gamblers to put their bet easier and faster and also AI can do a lot of things such read a thousands, millions or even billion of words in just a seconds or minutes and human can not do that. But We must know that AI can not determined all the bugs and problems of the casino that a human can do.

Actually there are many examples of positive and negative things about AI, but the main thing here is that no matter how good AI is, only 50% can beat the house edge.
Maybe many have tried this AI to make predictive decisions in sports betting and if they are telling the truth, they will definitely still think that AI cannot be fully relied on in terms of betting.
But in other respects AI has 100% positive

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AI is a good initiative in gaming after all if a gambler is playing against the house which is a computer, then the computer should be made to play against bots since those computers are configured to function primarily for that purpose, but the big question is, will casino allow the use of AI on their platforms the answer is no and to a large point we must know that any players who employ the services of artificial intelligence on games may get some form of restrictions or possible account ban.

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Quote from: wiss19 on April 21, 2023, 06:14:04 AM

Are you trying to say that people can use AI to find bugs and problems in a casino to get a bug bounty? If that's what you are referring to then you need to understand that most bugs or problems in casinos that can be reported for an eligible bounty can only be identified by a human and not a robot since it doesn't have senses and can't see.

An AI model might only be able to find bugs and problems within a source code if provided to it. That is one of the things which it can do much faster than humans of course, he can read and evaluate thousands of lines in a matter of seconds, a human cannot do that.

Nope, what I meant about that is when people who gamble that didn't win when they are using AI (bots) so they decided to find bugs to exploit until the casino will find it. If they know how to build an AI to detect anomalies then it is possible. To be precise, an AI doesn't mean it is a robot, even ChatGPT is an AI chatbot. Anyway, it's up to them if they want to use an AI to find bugs when they want to earn money (incentives) by participating in a Bug bounty. Well, what's this? https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/publication/self-supervised-bug-detection-and-repair-2/ and also this one https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2021arXiv210512787A/abstract.

When you read it, it may not be gambling related but it's all about an AI that find bugs and repair although not all work or things can be done by an AI and a human is required to finish it.

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AI have come to make some steps easy for man but still, these AIs work based on a pre-installed or updates on its programme. There is no magic in it other than taking records and predicting the outcome of events based on information stored in its ROM.

Still, in a luck base system like casino gambling and even sportsbet forms of gambling, I wouldn't have faith in AI to take charge of my gambling. The fact that these AIs have got no feelings as to the impact what is being lost would have on me, means you would find yourself taking more bets than you ought to and that means risking more.

This translates to you having to spend more money than you can afford to lose and that's not a cool idea.

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Quote from: Lanatsa on April 03, 2023, 04:56:05 PM

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Quote from: len01 on April 02, 2023, 07:35:36 AM

and for me nothing is 100% in gambling. I mean if indeed AI is developed with very advanced technology and can predict some bets, it will not produce 100%.
for sure we will continue to use our own predictive analysis to determine all our bets and if indeed someone has this tool i think it is highly unlikely.
because the casino will definitely detect the person and maybe if it is detected using an accurate AI, he will be offered to work with the casino itself with a bigger fee.
so from here the casino still wins.

What's 100% in gambling is your chances of losing. Wink

Anyway, coming back to the topic, first of all, there is no way one can make an AI that can win against the house if we are talking about casino games and not sports betting, if it's a prediction AI for sports betting, it can sometimes be correct just like humans, but not every time.

And, what makes you think that a casino that detects someone cheating the house with a bot or an AI will ask them or partner up? They will simply confiscate their funds and lock his account, and make sure he doesn't get into their platform again.

Come to think that if AI would be that successful on letting or making someone profitable and beating up the house then for sure all of gamblers are making use of it now which we know that it cant really be that

possible.Do we think that they would really be letting it out to happen? No for sure and just like other people been saying above that it cant just be possible on beating up the house and there's no AI application

that would really be able to do so.If there's one then gambling industry would be fucked up and it would be over for them but for now, lets just talk about assumptions
which it is really that impossible to happen.

I have thought about that, of course, I don't know if there is another way of Thinking, because I am sure that many Gamers' eyes glazed over when they were told that there was another chatgpt4 robot with much more capacity, so there is no Doubt that what they have access to to this Robot, well, they are already Looking for a way to try that type of luck, it would be good if someone has it and tells us their experience if they have used it, although I believe in particular that chatgpt4 does not yet have that predictive capacity, because as far as I'm concerned I think there's a lot to develop.

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Quote from: wiss19 on April 21, 2023, 06:14:04 AM

Are you trying to say that people can use AI to find bugs and problems in a casino to get a bug bounty? If that's what you are referring to then you need to understand that most bugs or problems in casinos that can be reported for an eligible bounty can only be identified by a human and not a robot since it doesn't have senses and can't see.

An AI model might only be able to find bugs and problems within a source code if provided to it. That is one of the things which it can do much faster than humans of course, he can read and evaluate thousands of lines in a matter of seconds, a human cannot do that.

There positive and negative effects while using AI every ware or anywhere and good example for this. Is like what you said it will helps to the gamblers to put their bet easier and faster and also AI can do a lot of things such read a thousands, millions or even billion of words in just a seconds or minutes and human can not do that. But We must know that AI can not determined all the bugs and problems of the casino that a human can do.

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Quote from: nakamura12 on April 20, 2023, 04:18:13 PM

Quote from: Fatunad on April 18, 2023, 06:02:16 PM

Lots of things i do hear off about AI.

Passing up a Board exam
Winning a lottery
Used on betting

For some reason then some of aspect or corners would be something realistic or something that could really be done but in speaking about
in going against the house then it would be an another story.I dont believe that it could really be just that possible on beating up something like this.
Of course they would be finding ways on getting rid of it or would be detecting out on whose really taking up some advantage.

That is true and you are right where it would be a different story if AI is used against the house. As far as I know and aware about AI especially bots didn't help much in beating the house but it is indeed helpful to gamblers to make their bets faster and automatic because of the bot that's why some people find a way like looking for a problem, issue or bugs to exploit and earn money using it. Because of that, casinos start a bug bounty with an incentive if someone did find a bug or a problem in the casino that may or may not cause to lose profit. I think you may have read some threads somewhere or here in the forum about people exploiting bugs on a gambling sites to win money.

Are you trying to say that people can use AI to find bugs and problems in a casino to get a bug bounty? If that's what you are referring to then you need to understand that most bugs or problems in casinos that can be reported for an eligible bounty can only be identified by a human and not a robot since it doesn't have senses and can't see.

An AI model might only be able to find bugs and problems within a source code if provided to it. That is one of the things which it can do much faster than humans of course, he can read and evaluate thousands of lines in a matter of seconds, a human cannot do that.

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Quote from: nakamura12 on April 20, 2023, 04:18:13 PM

Quote from: Fatunad on April 18, 2023, 06:02:16 PM

Lots of things i do hear off about AI.

Passing up a Board exam
Winning a lottery
Used on betting

For some reason then some of aspect or corners would be something realistic or something that could really be done but in speaking about
in going against the house then it would be an another story.I dont believe that it could really be just that possible on beating up something like this.
Of course they would be finding ways on getting rid of it or would be detecting out on whose really taking up some advantage.

That is true and you are right where it would be a different story if AI is used against the house. As far as I know and aware about AI especially bots didn't help much in beating the house but it is indeed helpful to gamblers to make their bets faster and automatic because of the bot that's why some people find a way like looking for a problem, issue or bugs to exploit and earn money using it. Because of that, casinos start a bug bounty with an incentive if someone did find a bug or a problem in the casino that may or may not cause to lose profit. I think you may have read some threads somewhere or here in the forum about people exploiting bugs on a gambling sites to win money.

Competing with humans, AI style? That's like walking into a gunfight carrying only a pocketknife. Fortunately for us, robots have not yet figured out how to beat the house. But you can be sure they are trying very hard.

It's amazing that bots can assist gamblers in quickly and automatically placing bets. It's like having a trusted companion who knows all the ins and outs of the gambling business. Yet taking advantage of security holes? That's like crashing down a Jenga tower with all the force of a nuclear bomb!

The existence of bug bounties at gambling establishments was news to me. Do you know whether there are any free drinks included? It's looking like I should make insect investigation my full-time job

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Quote from: Fatunad on April 18, 2023, 06:02:16 PM

Lots of things i do hear off about AI.

Passing up a Board exam
Winning a lottery
Used on betting

For some reason then some of aspect or corners would be something realistic or something that could really be done but in speaking about
in going against the house then it would be an another story.I dont believe that it could really be just that possible on beating up something like this.
Of course they would be finding ways on getting rid of it or would be detecting out on whose really taking up some advantage.

That is true and you are right where it would be a different story if AI is used against the house. As far as I know and aware about AI especially bots didn't help much in beating the house but it is indeed helpful to gamblers to make their bets faster and automatic because of the bot that's why some people find a way like looking for a problem, issue or bugs to exploit and earn money using it. Because of that, casinos start a bug bounty with an incentive if someone did find a bug or a problem in the casino that may or may not cause to lose profit. I think you may have read some threads somewhere or here in the forum about people exploiting bugs on a gambling sites to win money.

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Quote from: Lanatsa on April 03, 2023, 04:56:05 PM

Quote from: doomloop on April 03, 2023, 04:49:36 PM

Quote from: len01 on April 02, 2023, 07:35:36 AM

and for me nothing is 100% in gambling. I mean if indeed AI is developed with very advanced technology and can predict some bets, it will not produce 100%.
for sure we will continue to use our own predictive analysis to determine all our bets and if indeed someone has this tool i think it is highly unlikely.
because the casino will definitely detect the person and maybe if it is detected using an accurate AI, he will be offered to work with the casino itself with a bigger fee.
so from here the casino still wins.

What's 100% in gambling is your chances of losing. Wink

Anyway, coming back to the topic, first of all, there is no way one can make an AI that can win against the house if we are talking about casino games and not sports betting, if it's a prediction AI for sports betting, it can sometimes be correct just like humans, but not every time.

And, what makes you think that a casino that detects someone cheating the house with a bot or an AI will ask them or partner up? They will simply confiscate their funds and lock his account, and make sure he doesn't get into their platform again.

Come to think that if AI would be that successful on letting or making someone profitable and beating up the house then for sure all of gamblers are making use of it now which we know that it cant really be that

possible.Do we think that they would really be letting it out to happen? No for sure and just like other people been saying above that it cant just be possible on beating up the house and there's no AI application

that would really be able to do so.If there's one then gambling industry would be fucked up and it would be over for them but for now, lets just talk about assumptions
which it is really that impossible to happen.

I have thought about that, of course, I don't know if there is another way of Thinking, because I am sure that many Gamers' eyes glazed over when they were told that there was another chatgpt4 robot with much more capacity, so there is no Doubt that what they have access to to this Robot, well, they are already Looking for a way to try that type of luck, it would be good if someone has it and tells us their experience if they have used it, although I believe in particular that chatgpt4 does not yet have that predictive capacity, because as far as I'm concerned I think there's a lot to develop.

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Quote from: Outhue on April 19, 2023, 04:23:49 AM

Even if an AI manages to win the house once or twice, it is a noticeable winning for you and the house, and you expect the house to sit om their hands and do nothing? I bet your AI can't do the same winning the next day.

No matter what you do or what you bring to an online casino, the house will always be the winner, if you play 10 good rounds of games you might be lucky enough to win a round, this is the bitter truth about online gambling and casinos as a whole.

Gamblers need more luck and honestly, that's all they have, but the house doesn't need to pray for luck, losing a game is not something scarce in a gambling home.

All casinos, of course, have anticipated this AI technology, so if you use any method, any technique, even any strategy, the dealer will still win. Maybe we can outsmart the dealer and win several times, but we won't win every time, let alone win big. big win, not sure we can withdraw money from the casino, of course, our account will definitely be marked or said to be fraudulent. lol

Many cases of casinos like that also usually small casinos that just don't have much money to pay gamblers, so making lots of excuses when gamblers win big and withdraw money, they will say fraudulent activity and such, I never tried technology because I'm sure it's just it's a waste of time and it's not likely to work completely either. the dealer will always win and that is set in all available games. if you don't believe me, give it a try

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